Guitarsoup said:

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Here's my dumb trade idea of the day.

Boston wants to dump Kristaps' salary. #14 and Keldon for Kristaps and their 2031 unprotected pick.

Cuts about 9M off the cap and they get an elite tank commander for next year. That would get them about 10M away from the 2nd apron.

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I was thinking about this the other day...burn off the last year of the KP contract with us and maybe get some quality bench minutes in the front court from him. Expiring contracts are fun and he's still got something to give on the court.

Kristaps could definitely be had. Do you want him though is the question. He looks done tbh.

Kristaps would definitely be a fun backup center and has all the skills to play along side Wemby as well. However, dude can't stay on the floor. We talk about Steven Adams as a potential backup and we get concerned about his availability (rightfully so), but Porzingis plays less than Adams.

West Texan said:

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Kristaps would definitely be a fun backup center and has all the skills to play along side Wemby as well. However, dude can't stay on the floor. We talk about Steven Adams as a potential backup and we get concerned about his availability (rightfully so), but Porzingis plays less than Adams.

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Go super big

Adams
kristaps
Wemby
Sochan
Castle

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West Texan said:

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Kristaps would definitely be a fun backup center and has all the skills to play along side Wemby as well. However, dude can't stay on the floor. We talk about Steven Adams as a potential backup and we get concerned about his availability (rightfully so), but Porzingis plays less than Adams.

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Go super big

Adams
kristaps
Wemby
Sochan
Castle

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May actually turn into an efficient offense as opponents get multiple defensive 3 second calls and we get a free throw and the ball.

"The Spurs fully expect Wemby to be ready to go for the start of training camp..

There was mutual interest between the Spurs and Kevin Durant at the trade deadline" @ShamsCharania #PMSLive pic.twitter.com/pZXPVUZDko

— Pat McAfee (@PatMcAfeeShow) May 27, 2025

#14, Devin, and Keldon for KD. Hell, why not?!

West Texan said:

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#14, Devin, and Keldon for KD. Hell, why not?!

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Agreed.

Welcome to San Antonio free agency where everybody speculates and nothing crazy actually happens. pic.twitter.com/1NbiASrj7j

— SpursMuse (@spurs_muse) May 27, 2025

Maybe the most accurate tweet ever.

West Texan said:

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#14, Devin, and Keldon for KD. Hell, why not?!

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I'd be good with this as well.

West Texan said:

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Welcome to San Antonio free agency where everybody speculates and nothing crazy actually happens. pic.twitter.com/1NbiASrj7j

— SpursMuse (@spurs_muse) May 27, 2025

Maybe the most accurate tweet ever.

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I will say, as we build out this time around Victor, I think we will be more active in a way we haven't been before (see Fox).

I personally would be surprised if Devin is still on the roster when the season starts.

I think the Spurs are going to trade Devin and the 14 pick or some other future pick for a veteran to help make a playoff push. I don't know if its a 4 that can shoot and defend, or what position it will be other than the point or shooting guard.

Just my gut guess is all. No actual information to support that, just my guess.

Enzo The Baker said:

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West Texan said:

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#14, Devin, and Keldon for KD. Hell, why not?!

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I'd be good with this as well.

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Me 3

I would consider throwing in a second as well.

Earth Rider said:

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I personally would be surprised if Devin is still on the roster when the season starts.

I think the Spurs are going to trade Devin and the 14 pick or some other future pick for a veteran to help make a playoff push. I don't know if its a 4 that can shoot and defend, or what position it will be other than the point or shooting guard.

Just my gut guess is all. No actual information to support that, just my guess.

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It just has to be something that is available that makes sense long term. Because Coward, Fleming, Essengue, and Bryant all make sense.

Like if Naz Reid wants to join us to get a bigger role for about Devin money, send them 14 and Devin for sure.

But I doubt there are going to be a lot of options that make sense. And Devin to Minnesota doesn't make sense bc they have Ant and Devin to Phoenix doesnt make sense because they have Booker/Beal.

it's possible but go through the options in the NBA that make sense for us and question if the other team would want to do it. That's a lot harder.

Yaxel Lendenbourg exited the draft process. He is the UAB guy that had great stats... but at UAB. He's transferring to Michigan. He has been falling on the draft boards from possible mid teens to 2nd round.

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Earth Rider said:

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I personally would be surprised if Devin is still on the roster when the season starts.

I think the Spurs are going to trade Devin and the 14 pick or some other future pick for a veteran to help make a playoff push. I don't know if its a 4 that can shoot and defend, or what position it will be other than the point or shooting guard.

Just my gut guess is all. No actual information to support that, just my guess.

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It just has to be something that is available that makes sense long term. Because Coward, Fleming, Essengue, and Bryant all make sense.

Like if Naz Reid wants to join us to get a bigger role for about Devin money, send them 14 and Devin for sure.

But I doubt there are going to be a lot of options that make sense. And Devin to Minnesota doesn't make sense bc they have Ant and Devin to Phoenix doesnt make sense because they have Booker/Beal.

it's possible but go through the options in the NBA that make sense for us and question if the other team would want to do it. That's a lot harder.

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I'm not saying this is even remotely going to happen because nothing this exciting or big ever happens (see the tweet I posted above). However, the Suns have very little leverage and I don't see them getting great value in return for KD regardless of which team makes a deal. Lack of picks and risking losing him for nothing will more than likely force them into accepting a not so great deal (for them) for KD.

West Texan said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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Earth Rider said:

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I personally would be surprised if Devin is still on the roster when the season starts.

I think the Spurs are going to trade Devin and the 14 pick or some other future pick for a veteran to help make a playoff push. I don't know if its a 4 that can shoot and defend, or what position it will be other than the point or shooting guard.

Just my gut guess is all. No actual information to support that, just my guess.

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It just has to be something that is available that makes sense long term. Because Coward, Fleming, Essengue, and Bryant all make sense.

Like if Naz Reid wants to join us to get a bigger role for about Devin money, send them 14 and Devin for sure.

But I doubt there are going to be a lot of options that make sense. And Devin to Minnesota doesn't make sense bc they have Ant and Devin to Phoenix doesnt make sense because they have Booker/Beal.

it's possible but go through the options in the NBA that make sense for us and question if the other team would want to do it. That's a lot harder.

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I'm not saying this is even remotely going to happen because nothing this exciting or big ever happens (see the tweet I posted above). However, the Suns have very little leverage and I don't see them getting great value in return for KD regardless of which team makes a deal. Lack of picks and risking losing him for nothing will more than likely force them into accepting a not so great deal (for them) for KD.

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The only team I could really see outbidding us is Houston. If they want Durant, they'll get him.

Earth Rider said:

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I personally would be surprised if Devin is still on the roster when the season starts.

I think the Spurs are going to trade Devin and the 14 pick or some other future pick for a veteran to help make a playoff push. I don't know if its a 4 that can shoot and defend, or what position it will be other than the point or shooting guard.

Just my gut guess is all. No actual information to support that, just my guess.

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Isn't Devin a veteran at this point? He's going into year 6.

The more I hear about this new cba, the more I'm convinced that the Spurs will continue to acquire future picks as part of their growth strategy. In a few years with Wemby, Fox, Castle, etc all on big contracts they'll need rookie contracts to put around them to staybout of the tax range. For this draft I predict they pick #2 and only take that #14 if a specific player is available. If not, trade out for 2030 pick again.

Enzo The Baker said:

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West Texan said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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Earth Rider said:

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I personally would be surprised if Devin is still on the roster when the season starts.

I think the Spurs are going to trade Devin and the 14 pick or some other future pick for a veteran to help make a playoff push. I don't know if its a 4 that can shoot and defend, or what position it will be other than the point or shooting guard.

Just my gut guess is all. No actual information to support that, just my guess.

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It just has to be something that is available that makes sense long term. Because Coward, Fleming, Essengue, and Bryant all make sense.

Like if Naz Reid wants to join us to get a bigger role for about Devin money, send them 14 and Devin for sure.

But I doubt there are going to be a lot of options that make sense. And Devin to Minnesota doesn't make sense bc they have Ant and Devin to Phoenix doesnt make sense because they have Booker/Beal.

it's possible but go through the options in the NBA that make sense for us and question if the other team would want to do it. That's a lot harder.

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I'm not saying this is even remotely going to happen because nothing this exciting or big ever happens (see the tweet I posted above). However, the Suns have very little leverage and I don't see them getting great value in return for KD regardless of which team makes a deal. Lack of picks and risking losing him for nothing will more than likely force them into accepting a not so great deal (for them) for KD.

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The only team I could really see outbidding us is Houston. If they want Durant, they'll get him.

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Absolutely they could, but would they really give up better pieces/picks when they could just sign* him outright next year as a free agent?

*I have no clue what Houston's cap future cap space looks like.

Enzo The Baker said:

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West Texan said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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Earth Rider said:

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I personally would be surprised if Devin is still on the roster when the season starts.

I think the Spurs are going to trade Devin and the 14 pick or some other future pick for a veteran to help make a playoff push. I don't know if its a 4 that can shoot and defend, or what position it will be other than the point or shooting guard.

Just my gut guess is all. No actual information to support that, just my guess.

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It just has to be something that is available that makes sense long term. Because Coward, Fleming, Essengue, and Bryant all make sense.

Like if Naz Reid wants to join us to get a bigger role for about Devin money, send them 14 and Devin for sure.

But I doubt there are going to be a lot of options that make sense. And Devin to Minnesota doesn't make sense bc they have Ant and Devin to Phoenix doesnt make sense because they have Booker/Beal.

it's possible but go through the options in the NBA that make sense for us and question if the other team would want to do it. That's a lot harder.

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I'm not saying this is even remotely going to happen because nothing this exciting or big ever happens (see the tweet I posted above). However, the Suns have very little leverage and I don't see them getting great value in return for KD regardless of which team makes a deal. Lack of picks and risking losing him for nothing will more than likely force them into accepting a not so great deal (for them) for KD.

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The only team I could really see outbidding us is Houston. If they want Durant, they'll get him.

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I don't think we give up anything substantial.

Durant is 37. I don't think anyone will.

If I am Houston, I am going for Booker with #10, Green, Tari, Reed, and the Phx picks back. I'm not wasting my time on Durant.

Fleming's shot chart. I love it.

Just go stand in your corner and be ready.

The Ringer updated their big board.

Ace Bailey dropped to 6th.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

Carter Bryant up to 7th.

Coward up to 15th.

Noa Essengue down to 20

Fleming down to 22.

That's a fair point on keeping the draft picks due to the CBA and the star player's salaries.

Vassell is a vet, he is just paid as the 3rd or 4th option and he is more of a role player now with Castle, Harper, and Fox. It may not be available, but was hoping to find a PF that can shoot and play center at times. I think in order for it to maybe ever happen, we would need to throw in a pick like 14 or a future pick.

I still think it is possible we fleece a team who wants to overpay for the second pick. Harper would have been the clear #1 pick last year.

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That's a fair point on keeping the draft picks due to the CBA and the star player's salaries.

Vassell is a vet, he is just paid as the 3rd or 4th option and he is more of a role player now with Castle, Harper, and Fox. It may not be available, but was hoping to find a PF that can shoot and play center at times. I think in order for it to maybe ever happen, we would need to throw in a pick like 14 or a future pick.

I still think it is possible we fleece a team who wants to overpay for the second pick. Harper would have been the clear #1 pick last year.

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I've gone through everything and I am not sure there is someone that is really available that would fit.

Maybe MPJ for Devin+14. But injury issues.

PJ Washington in a 3-way trade.

Toumani Camara or Deni would cost too much.

JJJ would have to force it, and I don't think we get him for Devin+14 or anything close. He also doesn't solve the rebounding problem.

Franz Wagner - I think you could do a #2 trade for him, but hes already on a Max and cant shoot.

Trey Murphy - not available and injury prone

Jalen Johnson - injury prone, doubt they trade him for their two picks back anyway.

Scottie Barnes - #2 is an overpay and he's on a max deal and cant shoot.

Jaden McDaniels - not for grabs and dont believe in his shooting

Jarace Walker - theoretically yes.

I just have a tough time getting there on most guys that could be a starting PF. Will be interesting to see what pops up this summer.

Lol, not really Spurs related other than Shaq living in San Antonio when he was younger, but Shaq was just bicep curling a random male fan at the Pacers/Knicks game.

ETA, he once curled Reggie Miller according to a quick Google of this.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2022/05/20/shaq-reggie-miller-gym-curls-nba-on-tnt-2022/81319948007/

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Lol, not really Spurs related other than Shaq living in San Antonio when he was younger, but Shaq was just bicep curling a random male fan at the Pacers/Knicks game.

ETA, he once curled Reggie Miller according to a quick Google of this.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2022/05/20/shaq-reggie-miller-gym-curls-nba-on-tnt-2022/81319948007/

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Looking forward to Steven Adams doing that with Victor.

Just one thing we can do to get a 4 that can shoot.

Bet it all for Coop.

On the Reddit Trade sub (which will 100% make your eyes bleed) someone suggest Barnes+Keldon for MPJ and everyone on both sides seemed to think it was a fair deal, which never happens there. MPJ's contract runs out the season before Wemby's max deal starts. He's about 1y older than Keldon, or 6 years younger than Barnes. That one I am all for.

Draft Harper and Carter Bryant plus Rocco on a two way. Add Kornet/Adams and Taurean Prince with the MLE/BAE. Sign Mamu or DeAndre Jordan or whoever with the vet min.

Wemby/Adams/Rocco
MPJ/Sochan/Mamu
Prince/Bryant/Julian
Castle/Vassell/Branham
Fox/Harper/Wesley

Guitarsoup said:

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On the Reddit Trade sub (which will 100% make your eyes bleed) someone suggest Barnes+Keldon for MPJ and everyone on both sides seemed to think it was a fair deal, which never happens there. MPJ's contract runs out the season before Wemby's max deal starts. He's about 1y older than Keldon, or 6 years younger than Barnes. That one I am all for.

Draft Harper and Carter Bryant plus Rocco on a two way. Add Kornet/Adams and Taurean Prince with the MLE/BAE. Sign Mamu or DeAndre Jordan or whoever with the vet min.

Wemby/Adams/Rocco
MPJ/Sochan/Mamu
Prince/Bryant/Julian
Castle/Vassell/Branham
Fox/Harper/Wesley

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The on court fit definitely works. He's better offensively than Barnes, is longer so he rebounds better, defense is about equal but he does get more blocks due to his size, and he's younger. He's an upgrade over Barnes, but I'm not sure it's a big upgrade. What about the other intangibles that Barnes brings? I know injuries prevented us from taking the leap we wanted to this season, but the influence that he and CP3 had on our young guys was very evident. Also, what does MPJ's contract do to our future cap space? I know that's a loaded question and depends on what else we do, but I feel like it kind of hamstrings us in the short term.

Barnes is most definitely expendable if the right deal comes along, but he's the kind of guy that I feel like has tremendous value in terms of leadership and culture.

I wish the Nuggets would go for that, for us to trade Barnes and Keldon for MPJ. To me MPJ is a higher level player than Barnes and Keldon.

Looking back on it, really glad the Rockets took Shepard and not Castle. I can understand Sarr and Risacher, they both can be good players. And even Shepard may be ok once he plays more, but we have so much more in Castle.

I guess in a redraft Castle would go 1, Sarr maybe 2 he still has a high ceiling. Matas could go 3 in a redraft, and he might end up being the best player in the 24 class. Rissacher may go 4. McCain had a good season pre injury, but i don't believe in him yet. To me he kind of had a jeremy Lin type season. But dang, its crazy how little talent is coming out of last years class, which I know was a weak draft class. Just really glad we got Castle out of that class.

West Texan said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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On the Reddit Trade sub (which will 100% make your eyes bleed) someone suggest Barnes+Keldon for MPJ and everyone on both sides seemed to think it was a fair deal, which never happens there. MPJ's contract runs out the season before Wemby's max deal starts. He's about 1y older than Keldon, or 6 years younger than Barnes. That one I am all for.

Draft Harper and Carter Bryant plus Rocco on a two way. Add Kornet/Adams and Taurean Prince with the MLE/BAE. Sign Mamu or DeAndre Jordan or whoever with the vet min.

Wemby/Adams/Rocco
MPJ/Sochan/Mamu
Prince/Bryant/Julian
Castle/Vassell/Branham
Fox/Harper/Wesley

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The on court fit definitely works. He's better offensively than Barnes, is longer so he rebounds better, defense is about equal but he does get more blocks due to his size, and he's younger. He's an upgrade over Barnes, but I'm not sure it's a big upgrade. What about the other intangibles that Barnes brings? I know injuries prevented us from taking the leap we wanted to this season, but the influence that he and CP3 had on our young guys was very evident. Also, what does MPJ's contract do to our future cap space? I know that's a loaded question and depends on what else we do, but I feel like it kind of hamstrings us in the short term.

Barnes is most definitely expendable if the right deal comes along, but he's the kind of guy that I feel like has tremendous value in terms of leadership and culture.

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I don't think the deal hamstrings us too much because it expires before any real rookie contracts kick in. Then it becomes: will he take a Devin Vassell ~15% deal to stay on a winning team as a 4th or 5th option. Wemby at 30%, Fox at 28%, Devin at 13, MPJ at 15, Castle at 7, Harper at 8, Sochan at 8 puts us at 110% of the cap for 7 players.

You are right about culture, vet leadership. Barnes brought a lot of that.

I think Fox will as well, but he doesn't have the ring that Barnes did. I also think maybe Taurean Prince (local boy with good experience) could bring that, too. I don't know enough about him as a person/leader. Maybe you use a vet min on a guy like Kyle Lowry or Seth Curry.

how often do 2025 NBA draft prospects pass under pressure? how players handle pressure is crucial for understanding their on ball ceiling, and that's what we're looking at here

note — this stat only encompasses passing chances/turnovers, NOT scoring chancess/turnovers pic.twitter.com/t5133KYDzk

— ben pfeifer (@bjpf_) May 27, 2025

Look how well our boy protects the ball under pressure.

Guitarsoup said:

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West Texan said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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On the Reddit Trade sub (which will 100% make your eyes bleed) someone suggest Barnes+Keldon for MPJ and everyone on both sides seemed to think it was a fair deal, which never happens there. MPJ's contract runs out the season before Wemby's max deal starts. He's about 1y older than Keldon, or 6 years younger than Barnes. That one I am all for.

Draft Harper and Carter Bryant plus Rocco on a two way. Add Kornet/Adams and Taurean Prince with the MLE/BAE. Sign Mamu or DeAndre Jordan or whoever with the vet min.

Wemby/Adams/Rocco
MPJ/Sochan/Mamu
Prince/Bryant/Julian
Castle/Vassell/Branham
Fox/Harper/Wesley

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The on court fit definitely works. He's better offensively than Barnes, is longer so he rebounds better, defense is about equal but he does get more blocks due to his size, and he's younger. He's an upgrade over Barnes, but I'm not sure it's a big upgrade. What about the other intangibles that Barnes brings? I know injuries prevented us from taking the leap we wanted to this season, but the influence that he and CP3 had on our young guys was very evident. Also, what does MPJ's contract do to our future cap space? I know that's a loaded question and depends on what else we do, but I feel like it kind of hamstrings us in the short term.

Barnes is most definitely expendable if the right deal comes along, but he's the kind of guy that I feel like has tremendous value in terms of leadership and culture.

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I don't think the deal hamstrings us too much because it expires before any real rookie contracts kick in. Then it becomes: will he take a Devin Vassell ~15% deal to stay on a winning team as a 4th or 5th option. Wemby at 30%, Fox at 28%, Devin at 13, MPJ at 15, Castle at 7, Harper at 8, Sochan at 8 puts us at 110% of the cap for 7 players.

You are right about culture, vet leadership. Barnes brought a lot of that.

I think Fox will as well, but he doesn't have the ring that Barnes did. I also think maybe Taurean Prince (local boy with good experience) could bring that, too. I don't know enough about him as a person/leader. Maybe you use a vet min on a guy like Kyle Lowry or Seth Curry.

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To be fair, I've never heard anything negative about MPJ as a teammate, just not sure he brings the same level of maturity and professionalism that Barnes does.

West Texan said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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West Texan said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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On the Reddit Trade sub (which will 100% make your eyes bleed) someone suggest Barnes+Keldon for MPJ and everyone on both sides seemed to think it was a fair deal, which never happens there. MPJ's contract runs out the season before Wemby's max deal starts. He's about 1y older than Keldon, or 6 years younger than Barnes. That one I am all for.

Draft Harper and Carter Bryant plus Rocco on a two way. Add Kornet/Adams and Taurean Prince with the MLE/BAE. Sign Mamu or DeAndre Jordan or whoever with the vet min.

Wemby/Adams/Rocco
MPJ/Sochan/Mamu
Prince/Bryant/Julian
Castle/Vassell/Branham
Fox/Harper/Wesley

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The on court fit definitely works. He's better offensively than Barnes, is longer so he rebounds better, defense is about equal but he does get more blocks due to his size, and he's younger. He's an upgrade over Barnes, but I'm not sure it's a big upgrade. What about the other intangibles that Barnes brings? I know injuries prevented us from taking the leap we wanted to this season, but the influence that he and CP3 had on our young guys was very evident. Also, what does MPJ's contract do to our future cap space? I know that's a loaded question and depends on what else we do, but I feel like it kind of hamstrings us in the short term.

Barnes is most definitely expendable if the right deal comes along, but he's the kind of guy that I feel like has tremendous value in terms of leadership and culture.

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I don't think the deal hamstrings us too much because it expires before any real rookie contracts kick in. Then it becomes: will he take a Devin Vassell ~15% deal to stay on a winning team as a 4th or 5th option. Wemby at 30%, Fox at 28%, Devin at 13, MPJ at 15, Castle at 7, Harper at 8, Sochan at 8 puts us at 110% of the cap for 7 players.

You are right about culture, vet leadership. Barnes brought a lot of that.

I think Fox will as well, but he doesn't have the ring that Barnes did. I also think maybe Taurean Prince (local boy with good experience) could bring that, too. I don't know enough about him as a person/leader. Maybe you use a vet min on a guy like Kyle Lowry or Seth Curry.

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To be fair, I've never heard anything negative about MPJ as a teammate, just not sure he brings the same level of maturity and professionalism that Barnes does.

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Yeah. My cousin used to work for the Nuggets and never had bad things to say about him. He liked him.

But Barnes is a legit leader and iron man. MPJ can't realistically be the same.