**** 2017 NBA Finals Thread ****

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DannyDuberstein
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You see the last 4-5 shots made in this game?
Bunk Moreland
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There were teams in the 80s that could have scored like this if the league decided to ref games the way they do today.

Every moving screen... Err "seal" GS does to get free points whenever they wanted would not be tolerated by defenses back in the day.

Both these teams are the most proof anyone ever needs that players gave outgrown the current court dimensions. Too big. Too strong. Too fast.
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A larger court would make the scoring even easier...
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Folks can crap on KD all they want for his decision. But the dude has been effing huge this series. Coattail rider he's not.
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I believe he's saying to make it bigger but then crack down on all of the physical bs like the moving screens.
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Bunk Moreland said:

There were teams in the 80s that could have scored like this if the league decided to ref games the way they do today.

Every moving screen... Err "seal" GS does to get free points whenever they wanted would not be tolerated by defenses back in the day.

Both these teams are the most proof anyone ever needs that players gave outgrown the current court dimensions. Too big. Too strong. Too fast.


Kevin Durant, a 7 foot tall shooting guard would look like an alien for those teams back in the 80's. He would be just as dominant offensively.
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DannyDuberstein said:

Folks can crap on KD all they want for his decision. But the dude has been effing huge this series. Coattail rider he's not.


He finally gets to be in a position for his talents to be most recognized, as he's not asked to be the leader or the face of the franchise. So all he has to worry about are jump shots and crazy athletic dunks.

Different type of player. Not begrudging him at all. People are wired differently. Just like the folks who criticize LeBron when he makes the right basketball decisions late in games and people think yes afraid of the moment. He's not afraid of the moment, he's just not a chucker like Kobe.
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Kyrie Irving is just as unstoppable offensively taking guys off the dribble as Allen Iverson was in his prime IMO.
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Pumpkinhead said:

Bunk Moreland said:

There were teams in the 80s that could have scored like this if the league decided to ref games the way they do today.

Every moving screen... Err "seal" GS does to get free points whenever they wanted would not be tolerated by defenses back in the day.

Both these teams are the most proof anyone ever needs that players gave outgrown the current court dimensions. Too big. Too strong. Too fast.


Kevin Durant, a 7 foot tall shooting guard would look like an alien for those teams back in the 80's. He would be just as dominant offensively.


He'd be slammed to the ground enough on drives to the hoop that he'd develop quite the intimidated feeling and become an incredible spot shooter.

But again KD is exactly the point I'm making. Guys now (not in the 80s) are too big fast and strong for the current dimensions.

In the 80s if you had 2010's Refs, you'd just see incredibly pure shooting by a handful of teams. Back then guys knew what a mid range jumper was.
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Something has to give now.

LeBron?
GS jump shooting?
JR Smith crazy ass 3s?
Coby
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JR Smith being a Cavs savior right now. Goodness.
amercer
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The warriors are way better, but LeBron has balls the size of mountains and JR digs that.
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Kevin Love has 2 points........2 POINTS! Cavs within 5.
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Bunk Moreland said:

Pumpkinhead said:

Bunk Moreland said:

There were teams in the 80s that could have scored like this if the league decided to ref games the way they do today.

Every moving screen... Err "seal" GS does to get free points whenever they wanted would not be tolerated by defenses back in the day.

Both these teams are the most proof anyone ever needs that players gave outgrown the current court dimensions. Too big. Too strong. Too fast.


Kevin Durant, a 7 foot tall shooting guard would look like an alien for those teams back in the 80's. He would be just as dominant offensively.


He'd be slammed to the ground enough on drives to the hoop that he'd develop quite the intimidated feeling and become an incredible spot shooter.

But again KD is exactly the point I'm making. Guys now (not in the 80s) are too big fast and strong for the current dimensions.

In the 80s if you had 2010's Refs, you'd just see incredibly pure shooting by a handful of teams. Back then guys knew what a mid range jumper was.


Guys like Durant and Irving in this game can hit mid-range jumpers all day long. I watched those 80's teams and I think we are romanticizing a bit the past. Sure guys like Durant, Curry, Irving, LeBron, Klay etc would maybe score a bit less because of the rougher stuff allowed but they would still be elite star offensive players.
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75% of this game guys were shooting wide open 3s, lightly contested layups, and dunks. That's not happening even just a few years ago. Who cares about the 80s
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LeBron is gassed out and it looks like the Cavs are ready for the offseason now.
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Lebron is gassed and Kyrie has a hurt back. Durant making every shot. Game over
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claym711 said:

75% of this game guys were shooting wide open 3s, lightly contested layups, and dunks. That's not happening even just a few years ago. Who cares about the 80s


That is probably partly due to guys getting tired. The pace of this Finals has been ridiculous. Fastest paced Finals in history. And Warriors run a constant motion offense forcing them to chase guys around on top of that.
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KD wants to win
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The 3s haven't been open. The layups are because both teams have to guard the 3 like crazy
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3s have been open entire game. Wide open layups. Dunks. 4th quarter same as rest of series. People think this is great because it's entertaining and everyone always thinks right now is the lol greatest evaaa but it's terrible terrible defense.
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Been waiting for this day to happen since July 4, 2016. KD is about to become an NBA Champion and NBA Finals MVP.
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Game is over but LeBron padding his stats.

Irving has been awful in the 4th quarter. Doing his one-on-one thing but missing and then MIA on defense.
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claym711 said:

3s have been open entire game. Wide open layups. Dunks. 4th quarter same as rest of series. People think this is great because it's entertaining and everyone always thinks right now is the lol greatest evaaa but it's terrible terrible defense.
You're mostly wrong concerning this not being good offense, but it's true there have been a TON of lapses tonight by the Cavs. Kyrie Irving just missed a contested 2, and then jogged down court while Curry got a wide open layup. Just terrible.
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Bunk Moreland said:

There were teams in the 80s that could have scored like this if the league decided to ref games the way they do today.

Every moving screen... Err "seal" GS does to get free points whenever they wanted would not be tolerated by defenses back in the day.

Both these teams are the most proof anyone ever needs that players gave outgrown the current court dimensions. Too big. Too strong. Too fast.


Your second point is underrated
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"Russell, how my ass taste?" - finals mvp Kevin Durant
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I despise Steph curry so much
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CactusThomas said:

"Russell, how my ass taste?" - finals mvp Kevin Durant



Lol he sure showed Russ! Joined that 73 win team and won a ring!
amercer
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These 5 games have been the best offensive basketball in history. And featured two of the three best defensive teams in the league.
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Lebron should hold his head high, he played phenomenal. Not much you can do against a team with 4 all stars, 2 mvps. How durant is happy about this I have no idea. Would feel guilty for winning it this way
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mAgnoliAg said:

I despise Steph curry so much


Why? Any reason other than being a butt hurt Rockets fan?
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Chipotlemonger said:

mAgnoliAg said:

I despise Steph curry so much


Why? Any reason other than being a butt hurt Rockets fan?
curry is a cocky little ****, hate his stupid mouthpiece . Don't blame him for hating curry
Pumpkinhead
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Steve Kerr hugging the Warrior's GM and both guys crying. Like Kerr and that back thing he had to deal with sounded awful.
amercer
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Durant was the best player and his team would have lost without him. I'm guessing that's how he sleeps tonight
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You've got to be kidding. Feel guilty?
 
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