aggie7911 said:
Didn't we go further than the Spurs last year? Is that in the last 20 years?
I said competing for a championship. You didn't compete for a championship last year bub
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I said competing for a championship. You didn't compete for a championship last year bub
aggie7911 said:
Didn't we go further than the Spurs last year? Is that in the last 20 years?
Rockets lost in the first round. Spurs made it to the second
In their 50-year franchise history, the Rockets have finished with over 55 wins three times.
The Rockets have never won 60 games in 50 years.
The Rockets have won their division once in the past 20 years.
Spurs have 17 seasons with over 55 wins (and were on track in both lockout seasons to win over 55).
Spurs have 9 seasons with a winning percentage over 73% with in the last 20 years. Rockets have never won 73% of their games.
The Rockets have never won 60 games in 50 years.
The Rockets have won their division once in the past 20 years.
Spurs have 17 seasons with over 55 wins (and were on track in both lockout seasons to win over 55).
Spurs have 9 seasons with a winning percentage over 73% with in the last 20 years. Rockets have never won 73% of their games.
Rockets aren't a great franchise historically. Not. Even. Close.Guitarsoup said:
In their 50-year franchise history, the Rockets have finished with over 55 wins three times.
The Rockets have never won 60 games in 50 years.
The Rockets have won their division once in the past 20 years.
Spurs have 17 seasons with over 55 wins (and were on track in both lockout seasons to win over 55).
Spurs have 9 seasons with a winning percentage over 73% with in the last 20 years. Rockets have never won 73% of their games.
Apparently Spurs fans don't understand fan hyperbole.
3 finals appearances, multiple hofers, two titles, what a terrible franchise ..I would say we are a great franchise ..
lol you have a skewed view of the word comepteting amigo
But he is a rocket fan folks .
4 finals appearances...81, 86, 94, 95.aggie7911 said:
3 finals appearances, multiple hofers, two titles, what a terrible franchise ..I would say we are a great franchise ..
Yep I forget 81 4 finals appearances
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It really woulda helped your cause if you hadn't typed "comepteting"... Commendable effort, though.aggie7911 said:
lol you have a skewed view of the word comepteting amigo
Pretty specific stats. I would think Spurs fan would be OK just pulling out the 5-2 championship spread when living in the past. All that matters is it's a 2-2 series right now, but I get it if you feel the need to be proactive when preparing for a series loss.Guitarsoup said:
In their 50-year franchise history, the Rockets have finished with over 55 wins three times.
The Rockets have never won 60 games in 50 years.
The Rockets have won their division once in the past 20 years.
Spurs have 17 seasons with over 55 wins (and were on track in both lockout seasons to win over 55).
Spurs have 9 seasons with a winning percentage over 73% with in the last 20 years. Rockets have never won 73% of their games.
lets be honest both teams and fan bases should just keep quiet, because as of last night this series can go either way easily
The Rockets really needed that Game 3 and now it's the best of 3 with the series heading back to San Antonio.
If the Spurs can find ways to get the ball to the block, they'll win the series with ease. I think it's really bone headed when they take quick shots; there's really no need for that and it's a lose lose situation. I think the Rockets are relaxing on fools gold because even though they made a lot of outside shots, they gave up 62 points in the paint. That is huge!
The only way the Rockets prevail in this series is if they keep making shots and keep making the Spurs scramble on defense. But I don't see that happening because up until the Rockets pulled away in the 3rd quarter, the Spurs were finding ways to score in the paint. You always like your chances of winning if you're scoring more buckets in the paint than the other team.
With Nene out of the playoffs, I see the Rockets having a hard time rebounding the basketball and defending a taller Spurs team.
It will come down to role players and they generally play better at home which is why I think the Spurs will win the series regardless of Game 4.
It sure would be nice if they played the next three games close though.
If the Spurs can find ways to get the ball to the block, they'll win the series with ease. I think it's really bone headed when they take quick shots; there's really no need for that and it's a lose lose situation. I think the Rockets are relaxing on fools gold because even though they made a lot of outside shots, they gave up 62 points in the paint. That is huge!
The only way the Rockets prevail in this series is if they keep making shots and keep making the Spurs scramble on defense. But I don't see that happening because up until the Rockets pulled away in the 3rd quarter, the Spurs were finding ways to score in the paint. You always like your chances of winning if you're scoring more buckets in the paint than the other team.
With Nene out of the playoffs, I see the Rockets having a hard time rebounding the basketball and defending a taller Spurs team.
It will come down to role players and they generally play better at home which is why I think the Spurs will win the series regardless of Game 4.
It sure would be nice if they played the next three games close though.
also home court advantage aint crap
aggie7911 said:
lol you have a skewed view of the word comepteting amigo
Do I now??? You made it to the WCF a couple of years ago but you got smoked by the Warriors 4-1. That's not what I'd call competitive or even remotely competing for an NBA Championship
Do you have ownership in the Spurs? Or did you play on any of the teams?Guitarsoup said:
In their 50-year franchise history, the Rockets have finished with over 55 wins three times.
The Rockets have never won 60 games in 50 years.
The Rockets have won their division once in the past 20 years.
Spurs have 17 seasons with over 55 wins (and were on track in both lockout seasons to win over 55).
Spurs have 9 seasons with a winning percentage over 73% with in the last 20 years. Rockets have never won 73% of their games.
None of that matters now. 5 championships against 2. Who cares. Both teams are in the fight of their life. It's all coming down to how well the Reserves play.
Now they will have to play a minimum of 6 hard fought games, maybe a draining game 7 while Golden State hasn't had to play any extra games and is healthy and well rested.
Might be ugly in the next round regardless who wins this one.
Now they will have to play a minimum of 6 hard fought games, maybe a draining game 7 while Golden State hasn't had to play any extra games and is healthy and well rested.
Might be ugly in the next round regardless who wins this one.
Meh.aggie7911 said:
3 finals appearances, multiple hofers, two titles, what a terrible franchise ..I would say we are a great franchise ..
Unless you played on any of the Rockets or Spurs championship teams none of this really matters. Being from one of the towns or now living in one of the towns doesn't mean you played for them or have ownership. You're just a fan discussing a current series. I'm from Houston, used to work for the Rockets, so what. I make fun of Rockets fans that never played ball as much as Spurs fans.
In terms of the current series, if the Rockets don't box out or take care of the ball they'll lose 2 out of 3. Honestly Nene being out now hurts Rockets more than Parker being out. Oh by the way, Rockets are worth 1.6 billion and Spurs 1.1 billion, not that that matters either since none of us own either team.
In terms of the current series, if the Rockets don't box out or take care of the ball they'll lose 2 out of 3. Honestly Nene being out now hurts Rockets more than Parker being out. Oh by the way, Rockets are worth 1.6 billion and Spurs 1.1 billion, not that that matters either since none of us own either team.
The usual ranking is
1. LAL
2. Boston - second only because so much of their success was pre-merger in a smaller league
3/4. Chicago/San Antonio - who is third depends on how heavily you weight consistent excellence vs straight title count/peak dominance
Beginning at 5 you have a close pack of Detroit, New York, Miami, and Houston. 2-3 titles, some iconic players/seasons, but clear separation from the CHI/SAS pair.
With only 30 teams it's hard enough to argue that the top 4, which is more than 10% of the league, have "elite" histories. 5 is right out.
1. LAL
2. Boston - second only because so much of their success was pre-merger in a smaller league
3/4. Chicago/San Antonio - who is third depends on how heavily you weight consistent excellence vs straight title count/peak dominance
Beginning at 5 you have a close pack of Detroit, New York, Miami, and Houston. 2-3 titles, some iconic players/seasons, but clear separation from the CHI/SAS pair.
With only 30 teams it's hard enough to argue that the top 4, which is more than 10% of the league, have "elite" histories. 5 is right out.
I think the continued, sustained excellence from SA has put them above the Bulls by now. One more banner is outweighed by so many more division titles and playoff runs, imo.
3a and 3b at worst.
3a and 3b at worst.
73% = the cutoff for 60 wins in an 82 game season.primomosquito said:Pretty specific stats.Guitarsoup said:
In their 50-year franchise history, the Rockets have finished with over 55 wins three times.
The Rockets have never won 60 games in 50 years.
The Rockets have won their division once in the past 20 years.
Spurs have 17 seasons with over 55 wins (and were on track in both lockout seasons to win over 55).
Spurs have 9 seasons with a winning percentage over 73% with in the last 20 years. Rockets have never won 73% of their games.
55 wins: Only teams that didn't win 55+ and still won the title since the modern NBA (added 3pt line, Bird/Magic join the league) are:
06 Heat - starting lineup missed 68 games to injury, won 52
04 Pistons - made big trade for Sheed and went 20-4 to close out the season at 54 wins
95 Rockets - 47 wins. Lowest win total by a champion. Had lots of injuries and the Clyde trade during the season
Bottom line, if you aren't winning over 55 games, you probably aren't a legitimate challenger for the title except for some unique circumstances like a blockbuster mid-season trade or major injuries during the season.
Teams with 60+ wins are even more likely to win it all and it is a mark that a team doesn't reach every single year.
Making the last four of the NBA playoffs while not anything special is definitely competing. hth
Making the playoffs isn't close to competing for the title. But it is a nice milestone for the Rockets who have failed to make the playoffs or have been bounced from the 1st round 17 of the last 20 years.
I wouldn't say you aren't a legitimate challenger without 55 wins. Cleveland only had 51 wins this year and they have a shot to win it all.
In regards to the 95 Rockets team that only won 47 games. They knocked off two 60 win teams (Utah/San Antonio), a 59 win team (Phoenix), and a 57 win team (Orlando). Still impresses me.
Just sad that since then we've just been an average good team with very little threat to win it all.
In regards to the 95 Rockets team that only won 47 games. They knocked off two 60 win teams (Utah/San Antonio), a 59 win team (Phoenix), and a 57 win team (Orlando). Still impresses me.
Just sad that since then we've just been an average good team with very little threat to win it all.
Here are some more stats:Guitarsoup said:73% = the cutoff for 60 wins in an 82 game season.primomosquito said:Pretty specific stats.Guitarsoup said:
In their 50-year franchise history, the Rockets have finished with over 55 wins three times.
The Rockets have never won 60 games in 50 years.
The Rockets have won their division once in the past 20 years.
Spurs have 17 seasons with over 55 wins (and were on track in both lockout seasons to win over 55).
Spurs have 9 seasons with a winning percentage over 73% with in the last 20 years. Rockets have never won 73% of their games.
55 wins: Only teams that didn't win 55+ and still won the title since the modern NBA (added 3pt line, Bird/Magic join the league) are:
06 Heat - starting lineup missed 68 games to injury, won 52
04 Pistons - made big trade for Sheed and went 20-4 to close out the season at 54 wins
95 Rockets - 47 wins. Lowest win total by a champion. Had lots of injuries and the Clyde trade during the season
Bottom line, if you aren't winning over 55 games, you probably aren't a legitimate challenger for the title except for some unique circumstances like a blockbuster mid-season trade or major injuries during the season.
Teams with 60+ wins are even more likely to win it all and it is a mark that a team doesn't reach every single year.
- Rockets have won 60% of playoff games vs. Spurs (12-8). This means that 60% of the time they meet in the playoffs, the Spurs have a 0% chance of advancing.
- Spurs have won 0% of their playoff series against the Rockets (0-3). According to my research, it is difficult to win a Championship when you lose a playoff series in the same year.
- Rockets have 57% more HOF players than the Spurs.
- Rockets HOF Calvin Murphy has fathered more children than all of the Spurs HOF players combined.
I would add that Golden State is quite likely going to mop the floor with whomever comes out of this series.azulAg said:
lets be honest both teams and fan bases should just keep quiet, because as of last night this series can go either way easily
It is a shame with all those HOF players, the poor Rockets have only managed to win their division 5 times. Less than the Bucks, Heat, Hawks, Nuggets, 76ers, Pacers, Wizards, Cavs, Jazz, etc. Not to mention the great franchises. Five division titles. Same as the Kings and Magic.
And DAntoni has never beaten Pop in the playoffs.
And DAntoni has never beaten Pop in the playoffs.
Guitarsou said:
And DAntoni has never beaten Pop in the playoffs.
And even if they don't, there'll be a rested Cavs team waiting for the winnerAdam87inSA said:I would add that Golden State is quite likely going to mop the floor with whomever comes out of this series.azulAg said:
lets be honest both teams and fan bases should just keep quiet, because as of last night this series can go either way easily
aggie7911 said:
Making the last four of the NBA playoffs while not anything special is definitely competing. hth
I would say that you'd have to at least MAKE the Finals to be competing for a championship. Certainly not getting spanked 4 games to 1 in the round before, but to each their own I guess.