**** Spurs offseason thread ****

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aggie_2001_2005
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Not sure what they have to trade that is worth the 14th pick. Manu's corpse?
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Literally have seen every rumor from the Spurs wanting to move up to the Spurs wanting to move down to the Spurs refusing to take on any money through the draft, etc. Really no idea what's going to happen. Only media I would trust is Woj regarding the Spurs. Everyone else is clueless.

Really going to be an interesting night tomorrow.

Assuming the Spurs stay at 26 and draft an immediate impact guy my short list would be

Jerian Grant
Rashad Vaughn
RJ Hunter
Montrezl Harrell

Lots of talk surrounding Justin Anderson out of Virginia and he seems to have some upside as a Danny Green type player but if the Spurs are keeping Green which I hope they are, they should go a different route with the pick IMO.

Well see what happens tomorrow. The rumors for the next day or so are going to be crazy.
aggie_2001_2005
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Rumors that the Spurs are casually shopping Splitter. Not a surprise at all if true.
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Probably need to, gotta make room Aldridge even though he was a sip for a season
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I'm confused. Now ESPN reports the Spurs as the front runners for Lamarcus. If they were able to nab him, dump splitter, bring everyone else back, and add Ray Allens corpse for the minimum that would be a pretty nice offseason.
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The Ray Allen part was a joke.
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Dallas radio this morning was saying the Mavs will target Danny Green for $10-12M per year. They thought it was too much but a lot of guys could get overpaid this offseason.
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I think Spurs would offer him at least 10 to keep him. Probably need to do better than that if you're Dallas.
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Can Spurs offer green 10 and Aldridge 18 ? Aldridge would be awesome. Could change up the chemistry too much for a run next year if we can't keep green. I would still do it even if we can't afford green as well. Parker and Aldridge would keep us competitive for a while.
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Can Spurs offer green 10 and Aldridge 18 ? Aldridge would be awesome. Could change up the chemistry too much for a run next year if we can't keep green. I would still do it even if we can't afford green as well. Parker and Aldridge would keep us competitive for a while.
The Spurs will need to unload some $ in order to sign Aldridge (Assuming Tim and/or Manu return). The most likely candidate is Splitter but it could also be a package around Diaw. If the Spurs unload one of these guys they can theoretically sign Aldridge and Leonard to max contracts and still give Danny whatever he wants via his bird rights.

Lots of moving parts obviously. Tonight will be very interesting.
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Time to start the rumors about how Matt Barnes had a three some with Marc Gasol's mother and wife.
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The Spurs will need to unload some $ in order to sign Aldridge (Assuming Tim and/or Manu return). The most likely candidate is Splitter but it could also be a package around Diaw. If the Spurs unload one of these guys they can theoretically sign Aldridge and Leonard to max contracts and still give Danny whatever he wants via his bird rights.
thanks - completely forgot about leonard...i'd like to see aldridge and leonard playing together.
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re: Duncan's "sweetheart" deal...

so there's a story going around (Mike Monroe of the SA-EN is pushing this) that Duncan's got a sweetheart deal in place for next season that goes something like 2 years, $6-7 million a year, with that 2nd year being a player option that, if declined, makes that 2nd year partially guaranteed, effectively making next year's salary ~$10 million and assuming he's done after that.

( I'm not convinced he's leaving after one more year but still.)

If he declined the player option, and decided he wanted to re-sign...wouldn't he basically bank $10 million for next season and then have a whole lot more wiggle room signing when the cap goes from ~$68 million to $89 million in 2016-2017? Why couldn't he just sign another deal when the cap blows up next year?

I'm not sure about losing Green...what do you replace him with? If you're talking about replacing his numbers/value isn't the market rate going to be $8M+ and if you're going to pay that to a FA why not just keep what you have and retain the corporate knowledge? Unless you're hoping to draft a starting 2 tonight, I guess.
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re: Duncan's "sweetheart" deal...

so there's a story going around (Mike McDonalds of the SA-EN is pushing this) that Duncan's got a sweetheart deal in place for next season that goes something like 2 years, $6-7 million a year, with that 2nd year being a player option that, if declined, makes that 2nd year partially guaranteed, effectively making next year's salary ~$10 million and assuming he's done after that.

( I'm not convinced he's leaving after one more year but still.)

If he declined the player option, and decided he wanted to re-sign...wouldn't he basically bank $10 million for next season and then have a whole lot more wiggle room signing when the cap goes from ~$68 million to $89 million in 2016-2017? Why couldn't he just sign another deal when the cap blows up next year?

I'm not sure about losing Green...what do you replace him with? If you're talking about replacing his numbers/value isn't the market rate going to be $8M+ and if you're going to pay that to a FA why not just keep what you have and retain the corporate knowledge? Unless you're hoping to draft a starting 2 tonight, I guess.
Yes, Duncan's deal will be like the one you mentioned above. The Spurs did a similar thing with McDyess. Give Duncan 2 years say 14M with the second year being 50% guaranteed. This allows Duncan to get his 10M even if he only plays 1 years. Also allows him from avoiding a "farewell" tour since people will still be unsure about him ultimately playing another year. Right up his alley. A contract like this will give the Spurs a little added flexibility. Manu's deal could be similar but for less $ as well.

FA starts July 1 but players can't officially sign until July 10. Since Duncan and Manus Cap Holds are greater then what their annual salary is going to be,, they will be the first dominoes to fall. Guys like Leonard and Green will be the last guys the Spurs will sign... no big deal with Leonard but that makes it more stressful regarding Green since he's going to have to agree to wait until the Spurs get all their other ducks in a row before he signs.

If the Spurs do move someone like Splitter tonight or before FA opens,. I would strongly expect that they have a guarantee from somebody that they will sign officially on July 10. I can't see the Spurs unloading Splitter for cap room just for a chance at signing a big name. They will need a guarantee.
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Who do we want the Lakers to take?
Sher Thing
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Who do we want the Lakers to take?
Personally I rather them take Okafor because I think Russell is a superior talent.
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What are we rooting for the Spurs to do tonight?

I'm hoping for Justin Anderson (SG from UVA) as a possible 3 and D replacement for Green if he becomes too expensive while bringing in Aldridge, or a foreign project we can stash to save money.

Any other thoughts?
Cappo
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Probably someone from outside the States
atm0812
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Anderson drafted by the Mavs. Bring on the foreigner
Sher Thing
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Spurs / Aldridge meeting Wednesday
aggie_2001_2005
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Pop is the best:
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NBA free agency starts at midnight tonight, and coaches will immediately begin to pursue free agents ... well, coaches who aren't named Gregg Popovich. The Spurs coach, 66, told the San Antonio Express-News: "I'm not calling anyone at midnight. I'll be in bed. And if that's the difference in someone coming or not coming, then I don't want them."
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Pop such an OG.
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Pop, Timmy, and Tony will be at the Aldridge meeting.

Money in the bank.
Sher Thing
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For those who haven't been keeping up (a lot of good information over at SpursTalk), but the Spurs are meeting with Aldridge on Wednesday.

In order to sign Aldridge to a max contract they will need to free up ~18M in capspace. In order to do so they will most likely need to shed Splitter or Diaw + Patty.

Latest rumor is Splitter + Patty to Cleveland for Branden Haywoods 10.5M unguaranteed contract. We would then cut Haywood and have enough cap room to Sign Aldridge out right and still be able to re-sign Leonard, Duncan, Manu and Danny Green to market contracts.

Hate to give Cleveland both those guys but in order to keep Green the Spurs will have to get rid of both Tiago and Patty.

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Man, that's a tough one, but probably a good trade.

Hate to lose Patty Thrills though.
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Hate losing Patty, especially with Tony looking like he has lost a step.
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There's actually a lot of different scenarios though. Spurs could elect to keep Splitter/Patty and S&T Green to Cleveland for Haywoods contract.

Spurs also have shown interest in Sasha Kaun, the old Kansas standout who Cleveland owns rights too and is planning to make the jump to the NBA.

Cleveland has also been rumored to want a scoring PG which Patty obviously fits that mold.

It could also be a potential Diaw+Patty for Haywoods contract. Just too many options to pin point 1 but my guess from what I have seen is Splitter + Patty to Cleveland for Haywood and the rights to Sausha Kahn.

This scenario likely allows the Spurs to keep Danny Green in the fold as well which IMO is paramount to the Spurs success even if they get Aldridge.
aggie_2001_2005
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If you add Aldridge and could only keep 2 out of 4 of these:

Danny Green
Boris Diaw
Tiago Splitter
Patty Mills


You take Green and Diaw every time. Both are way more versatile on defense, and both make stronger contributions to the offense.

Hopefully they'd be able to get Joseph back for cheap as the backup. Sucks losing Patty, but if I had to lose 2 out of those 4, it would definitely be him and Splitter.
aggie_2001_2005
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Oh, and as a side note, Cleveland would look absolutely sick with

Kyrie
Lebron
Warm Body
Love
Splitter

Patty + Mozgov on the bench

Yikes. You could pretty much crown their ass if they are healthy.
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They still have Varajeo so I'm not sure it would be Splitters ending landing spot but yeah. Hate to give them those guys but if it's the only way to get Aldridge then you do it.
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If you add Aldridge and could only keep 2 out of 4 of these:

Danny Green
Boris Diaw
Tiago Splitter
Patty Mills


You take Green and Diaw every time. Both are way more versatile on defense, and both make stronger contributions to the offense.

Hopefully they'd be able to get Joseph back for cheap as the backup. Sucks losing Patty, but if I had to lose 2 out of those 4, it would definitely be him and Splitter.
Man that's so tough. You obviously keep Green. He is an elite defender and above average shooter even though he is streaky. Tiago is a plus defender but I am tired of his soft serve reverse layups and the corpse of Rasho could probably stay healthier than him. That leaves Boris and Mills. I love Bobo but I think he has lost a step and my hope is to have Kyle Anderson come be a poor man's Diaw. I value Patty because he provides something the spurs desperately need, bench scoring and outside shooting. I think with Toni being as fragile as he is, Patty is more valuable than Boris to this team. Plus Patty owns a pretty cool bar by my house.
aggie_2001_2005
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Problem is, the money doesn't work (I think the Spurs would be sending too much salary to Cleveland in that scenario but could be wrong) by trading away both Tiago and Boris. Not only that, you now have no one behind Duncan and Aldridge.

Also, Boris can guard the pick and roll. Duncan and Aldridge will get a lot more exposed there.
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Baynes and Ayers say hi. JK yeah that is definitely drawback for sure. Especially considering Duncan will play only about 25 mpg.
Obi Wan Ginobili
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I haven't posted my thoughts yet, so here goes:

Aldridge is good, but I'll be one of the few who says "thanks, but no thanks", ONLY if we have to lose so many key pieces (Green, Splitter, Diaw, Patty). Aldridge is going to get us to 50 wins every year, but if it's just him and Kawhi, we aren't winning any championships. Obviously, I hope I am wrong, but that's the way I feel.

I want the Spurs in a win-now mindset. Lock up Kawhi and Green longterm, bring the band back for one more (hopefully) healthy run, and I think we have a shot at one more title. I just don't see how you can work Aldridge in to this particular system and win a title in the same year, which is what we have to do with Tim being this close to retirement.

There are going to be a lot of short term deals between now and when Tim rides off. You're not really mortgaging the future to win now, when SO many free agents are going to be available in the next 2-3 years. I don't like playing the game of "well, we have the salary cap so SURELY someone will want to sign with us....i'm looking at you, Houston and Dallas), but in reality, thats what is going to happen.

We need Kawhi and Green on the floor together when it matters. That 1-2 punch on the wings is the only way to beat Durant, LeBron, Kyrie, Westbrook, etc., and that's who we have to beat to win titles.
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I take LMA if Gasol is off the table. LMA is a very distant second place for me.
 
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