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Y'all aren't gonna watch this, but you'd find it eye opening if you did. It's been a long time since A&M was in the same conference as Tech. Things have changed. A lot. Joey has a sweet deal and he knows it.

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I watched most of it. The resort is pretty nice.

McGuire has been talked about plenty, but he obviously wasn't in play and his agent wasn't shopping him around.

Not just him

Notice the SEC raided the south for new coaches…but from the American not the B12.

Tulane, Memphis, South Florida HCs all headed to the SEC

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This. High School Joey is not getting serious offers because he's the weakest link. The money they have been throwing around explains why they get commits without the player having even seen the campus. Tech is irrelevant because they have no following and even in the best season of their history, no one is watching their games.

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About to be #4 in cfp rankings Tuesday snd you say irrelevant.....genius post.

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Would he get to bring his billionaire with him?

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I went to an off season HS summer WTAMU Football Camp in '98. Cody Campbell attended the camp too. At the time I would never have believed he would land a full ride to Tech a year and a half later, then eventually play in the NFL for a short time.

IB4 the "Cool Starry Bra""

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This board belittles Texas Tech every chance they get. The money they have is serious. They will be fine when things get realigned. The pockets are deep. And even Lubbock can be an OK place if the money is right. Who knows we may see the Red Raiders up close before this season is over.

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They bring absolutely nothing to the SEC or the Big. They'll be left out.

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This board belittles Texas Tech every chance they get. The money they have is serious. They will be fine when things get realigned. The pockets are deep. And even Lubbock can be an OK place if the money is right. Who knows we may see the Red Raiders up close before this season is over.

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They bring absolutely nothing to the SEC or the Big. They'll be left out.

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You know how long Tech fans have been hearing this same chorus from the same crowd?

Tech had to fight just to become a university - Texas and A&M didn't want it. Tech had to fight its way into the SWC. Texas and A&M weren't in favor. Tech had to fight its way into the Big 12 when the SWC died, forced on to Texas and A&M by a well-placed Tech alum as Lt. Governor. Always a fight.

All the time, we heard the same things. Too remote. Can't compete. Not enough money. Not enough resources. Not enough interest. All the time, Tech was fighting the likes of A&M and Texas in the legislature. Tech, a public university of the great state of Texas, owned and funded by the people of Texas, is still held out by Texas and A&M from access to the PUF. And yet Tech has grown, despite the PUF being funded by mineral rights, some of which sit underneath property owned by Texas Tech.

All this time we've heard this story. It never stops. Eventually, A&M left. Then Texas left. And finally, at last, it seems that the nail has been driven into the coffin of Tech's relevance, only ever buoyed by the generosity of Texas and A&M that so graciously allowed poor little Tech the privilege of tagging along and playing a sport on the same field as those magnanimous, all-powerful schools.

Finally Tech had been discarded. At last. Doomed to the BDF.

Yet here we are.

Texas enters the season as the national #1 with gawd-almighty-himself at quarterback. Texas A&M, after 12 seasons of trying, puts together a historic season leading to the pinnacle of SEC success, only to be foiled by a rival they tried to leave.

And then there's Tech. Yes, playing for its first ever Big 12 championship, only because the powers that be have finally moved on out of their generosity and boredom.

And then there's Tech. The top ranked team in the state, playing for a probable bye as a top four team in the nation going into the playoffs, while big brother UT is preparing for the Pop Tarts Bowl and big brother A&M is waiting to see how the championship games play out and pining for a favorable first round game.

Yes. We've heard this chorus before.

Tech is irrelevant. Keep telling yourself that.

Let's see he has an SEC budget and a B12 schedule. Why on earth would he ever leave that deal.

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Teslag said:

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This board belittles Texas Tech every chance they get. The money they have is serious. They will be fine when things get realigned. The pockets are deep. And even Lubbock can be an OK place if the money is right. Who knows we may see the Red Raiders up close before this season is over.

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They bring absolutely nothing to the SEC or the Big. They'll be left out.

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You know how long Tech fans have been hearing this same chorus from the same crowd?

Tech had to fight just to become a university - Texas and A&M didn't want it. Tech had to fight its way into the SWC. Texas and A&M weren't in favor. Tech had to fight its way into the Big 12 when the SWC died, forced on to Texas and A&M by a well-placed Tech alum as Lt. Governor. Always a fight.

All the time, we heard the same things. Too remote. Can't compete. Not enough money. Not enough resources. Not enough interest. All the time, Tech was fighting the likes of A&M and Texas in the legislature. Tech, a public university of the great state of Texas, owned and funded by the people of Texas, is still held out by Texas and A&M from access to the PUF. And yet Tech has grown, despite the PUF being funded by mineral rights, some of which sit underneath property owned by Texas Tech.

All this time we've heard this story. It never stops. Eventually, A&M left. Then Texas left. And finally, at last, it seems that the nail has been driven into the coffin of Tech's relevance, only ever buoyed by the generosity of Texas and A&M that so graciously allowed poor little Tech the privilege of tagging along and playing a sport on the same field as those magnanimous, all-powerful schools.

Finally Tech had been discarded. At last. Doomed to the BDF.

Yet here we are.

Texas enters the season as the national #1 with gawd-almighty-himself at quarterback. Texas A&M, after 12 seasons of trying, puts together a historic season leading to the pinnacle of SEC success, only to be foiled by a rival they tried to leave.

And then there's Tech. Yes, playing for its first ever Big 12 championship, only because the powers that be have finally moved on out of their generosity and boredom.

And then there's Tech. The top ranked team in the state, playing for a probable bye as a top four team in the nation going into the playoffs, while big brother UT is preparing for the Pop Tarts Bowl and big brother A&M is waiting to see how the championship games play out and pining for a favorable first round game.

Yes. We've heard this chorus before.

Tech is irrelevant. Keep telling yourself that.

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That's a lot of words in an emotional rant to refute nothing I said.

You're OSU with a younger T. Boone Pickens. That doesn't get you into the Big or SEC when they decide to break away.

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That's a lot of words in an emotional rant to refute nothing I said.

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I could have used less words but it would have resulted in me getting banned. I mean, I really only needed two.


That said: Tech is likely to be appealing to the B1G at some point. Large school, deep pockets, very good basketball team, and most importantly a toehold in Texas that they currently lack and from which it could greatly benefit. Texas has ~31,000,000 people. Not all of them can go play football at A&M or UT.

And honestly the only thing I need to say to refute what you said is just go have a look at the CFP rankings a week from today. Tech brings a top 5 football team.

Most Texans don't give a **** about tech. And the Big won't care about a non-AAU school in a ****hole town, in a ****hole part of the country. They already made that mistake with Nebraska.

They and everyone else in college football know that tech is where they are because a booster made money in the oilfield and spent the proceeds on football so they could beat up on other conference rejects. That's it. That's literally all tech brings to the table. And it's not enough for a real conference.

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He told his agent to tell schools who reach out not to waste their time.

I know you all think so little of Tech, but the investment in the program is real and legitimate and is not just by a handful of boosters. It's a much better job than many of you give it credit for, and Tech is going to be well-positioned for the next round of realignment.

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tech's athletic department brings in half the revenue of A&M and even less than that compared to t.u. Besides that, it pretty much breaks even (or did in fiscal 2024). This despite having at least as good or better years, as a program, than both A&M and t.u. They've got a far better men's hoops program than either -- at least now, and probably will be better for a while; we're seeing their football team at the top of the conference; baseball is at least in the mix. WBB is better than A&M's. Volleyball, well, sucks, but that isn't a huge money maker anyway. The point is that even with competitive programs, they aren't a revenue generator on the level of A&M and t.u. At SOME point, that will make a difference.

I think we all agree that tech is a better job that Baylor, TCU, and even most of the B12. But it really doesn't compare to most of the SEC or B10 jobs despite some recent NIL infusions.

Also keep in mind that of McGuire's wins at tech, 1/3 of them came in his fourth of four seasons there. Mark Stoops won 10 games twice at Kentucky and won 7 or 8 five times. In all those years, Stoops had a tougher schedule. McGuire is a better coach if for no other reason he won't have the lower lows, if you will (i.e. he won't do stupid stuff like Stoops). But the question is still out whether he can have higher highs (relative to competition). He'll need another 10 win year and possible playoff run to answer that to some.

Struck a nerve?

Outside of the tumble weed and the smattering of alums they have, no one cares.
The only reason you guys are even talking about them is that one guy who went there decided to drop a ton of money on NIL because he was tired of people not caring about them. You can polish a turd all you want but it's still a turd.

I think tech in the playoffs is going to be an annual thing. The setup they have going for them is quite nice.

y'all act like Tech is the only team spending $ on NIL, or that they have a better or deeper talent pool on hand-

THEY DON'T!

Their QB is a senior who's been there day 1- and bith he and 2ns stringer have been banged up all year (2nd stringer out fir season.

Their All American LB and Heisman finalist is transfer backup QB.

It's childish the way sime peoole cant give credit where credit is due- JM is a damn giod coach.

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Also keep in mind that of McGuire's wins at tech, 1/3 of them came in his fourth of four seasons there.

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And Elko has 60% of his wins in yr 2. so?

McGuire has 34 wins in 4 yrs. Their prior four years they had only 20. and the four years before that, 22.

So he has basically flipped them from a 5 win origram to an 8 win program (and more) .

(and he won 2 of 3 games against OU and Texas before they left)

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Imagine your school announcing a guy as head coach who needed overtime to beat ACU!

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Okay, I imagined it, and it looked a lot like the 2nd richest program in all of football losing at home to Appalachian State while paying their coach $10million/yr!

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Tamuco99 said:

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Imagine your school announcing a guy as head coach who needed overtime to beat ACU!

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Okay, I imagined it, and it looked a lot like the 2nd richest program in all of football losing at home to Appalachian State while paying their coach $10million/yr!

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Remind me, how that guy's job prospects looking?

not as good as the coach who's about to get a first rouns bye in the College Playoffs!

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I think you guys are overestimating how important tech is to ncaaf. They don't bring enough eyeballs to truly be that important. And nothing matters more than that.

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horsecrap! what matters to viewers is how good they think a team is. This is a national sports market now- not regional.

Viewership is based on rankings- the perception of who the best teams are.

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I think you guys are overestimating how important tech is to ncaaf. They don't bring enough eyeballs to truly be that important. And nothing matters more than that.

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horsecrap! what matters to viewers is how good they think a team is. This is a national sports market now- not regional.

Viewership is based on rankings- the perception of who the best teams are.

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Year to date the top viewership ratings nationally are as follows: Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas, OU, LSU, Ohio St, Florida, Florida St, Notre Dame, Michigan, and Texas A&M in that order.

Is Tech's roster this year better than tu's rosters after we left for the Big 12? Because they're a blue blood that I imagine always recruits well, and they still stunk it up for a full decade.

My point being that talent is necessary but not sufficient. You'd at least competent coaching to go with it.

Okay, we know you love your buddy Joey, but unfortunately no school is beating down the door of a coach who needed overtime to beat an FCS school and has won 8 games or less in 3 of 4 years as a head coach.

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Teslag said:

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This board belittles Texas Tech every chance they get. The money they have is serious. They will be fine when things get realigned. The pockets are deep. And even Lubbock can be an OK place if the money is right. Who knows we may see the Red Raiders up close before this season is over.

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They bring absolutely nothing to the SEC or the Big. They'll be left out.

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You know how long Tech fans have been hearing this same chorus from the same crowd?

Tech had to fight just to become a university - Texas and A&M didn't want it. Tech had to fight its way into the SWC. Texas and A&M weren't in favor. Tech had to fight its way into the Big 12 when the SWC died, forced on to Texas and A&M by a well-placed Tech alum as Lt. Governor. Always a fight.

All the time, we heard the same things. Too remote. Can't compete. Not enough money. Not enough resources. Not enough interest. All the time, Tech was fighting the likes of A&M and Texas in the legislature. Tech, a public university of the great state of Texas, owned and funded by the people of Texas, is still held out by Texas and A&M from access to the PUF. And yet Tech has grown, despite the PUF being funded by mineral rights, some of which sit underneath property owned by Texas Tech.

All this time we've heard this story. It never stops. Eventually, A&M left. Then Texas left. And finally, at last, it seems that the nail has been driven into the coffin of Tech's relevance, only ever buoyed by the generosity of Texas and A&M that so graciously allowed poor little Tech the privilege of tagging along and playing a sport on the same field as those magnanimous, all-powerful schools.

Finally Tech had been discarded. At last. Doomed to the BDF.

Yet here we are.

Texas enters the season as the national #1 with gawd-almighty-himself at quarterback. Texas A&M, after 12 seasons of trying, puts together a historic season leading to the pinnacle of SEC success, only to be foiled by a rival they tried to leave.

And then there's Tech. Yes, playing for its first ever Big 12 championship, only because the powers that be have finally moved on out of their generosity and boredom.

And then there's Tech. The top ranked team in the state, playing for a probable bye as a top four team in the nation going into the playoffs, while big brother UT is preparing for the Pop Tarts Bowl and big brother A&M is waiting to see how the championship games play out and pining for a favorable first round game.

Yes. We've heard this chorus before.

Tech is irrelevant. Keep telling yourself that.

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Honestly, I was prepared to say some good things about Tech in this thread, but this is *****ing of the first degree.

" You know how long Tech fans have been hearing this same chorus from the same crowd?"

Sometimes you keep hearing the same thing over and over because it is true.

" Tech, a public university of the great state of Texas, owned and funded by the people of Texas, is still held out by Texas and A&M from access to the PUF."

Let's not act like Texas A&M is pulling the cords behind PUF distribution. Trust me, we'd love for it to be split evenly between the three schools - because that wouldn't change our payouts at all and it would just screw tu.

" And then there's Tech. Yes, playing for its first ever Big 12 championship, only because the powers that be have finally moved on out of their generosity and boredom."

I mean, at least you recognize it? It certainly is easier to win a conference when anybody with a pulse has already moved on from it.

" And then there's Tech. The top ranked team in the state, playing for a probable bye as a top four team in the nation going into the playoffs, while big brother UT is preparing for the Pop Tarts Bowl and big brother A&M is waiting to see how the championship games play out and pining for a favorable first round game."

I legitimately hope the bracket somehow works out to where we play y'all in the second round. A fifth or sixth seed against North Texas/JMU/Viginia/Duke and a second round game against y'all seems about as favorable as we could ask for.

" Tech is irrelevant. Keep telling yourself that."

I have never once told myself that. However, this is the first year in a while that y'all have given me any reason to think about you at all.


All that being said, keep the billionaire interested and I may actually root for y'all just a little until super conferences. It'll be fun to watch that team in Austin fighting off a serious in-state recruiting operation on both sides.

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Okay, we know you love your buddy Joey, but unfortunately no school is beating down the door of a coach who needed overtime to beat an FCS school and has won 8 games or less in 3 of 4 years as a head coach.

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Actually, you don't know that.

I suspect he has an agent that shuts down any inquiries quickly. He has everything in place to accomplish pretty
much any goal any coach would have.

He doesnt need or want to have an agent talking him up and stirring up interest, as he knows Tech will take care of him and he doesn't want the in-season distractions.

Then you add to that formula that NO PROGRAM wants the look of offering a coach and being rejected.

That is the perfect combination leading to the public perception that no team is interested in him, and the one that really makes sense.

Mississippi State (5-7) finished tied for 13th place in the SEC

they beat Arizona State (8-4) who finished tied for 4th place in the BDF

that tells you all you need to know

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I legitimately hope the bracket somehow works out to where we play y'all in the second round. A fifth or sixth seed against North Texas/JMU/Viginia/Duke and a second round game against y'all seems about as favorable as we could ask for.

" Tech is irrelevant. Keep telling yourself that."

I have never once told myself that. However, this is the first year in a while that y'all have given me any reason to think about you at all.


All that being said, keep the billionaire interested and I may actually root for y'all just a little until super conferences. It'll be fun to watch that team in Austin fighting off a serious in-state recruiting operation on both sides.

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For my part, I hope Tech doesn't have to play A&M until the championship game, and that we both get there. I think that any of the teams in the top 10 could beat any of the others, but that match-ups matter. I think, for instance, that Tech would do well against Alabama and OU because they are one dimensional offenses and Tech's defense could tee off on them.

But A&M presents a match up problem for Tech and would be a harder offense to defend than Tech has seen all year. Reed would give Tech problems. And A&M's defense, Howell in particular, would be a problem for Tech.

I'd like to see that game, though.

In my missive you quoted from, I was being serious in my assertion that Tech has benefitted from UT and OU moving on. Tech was forced to play the hand that conference realignment dealt us, but Tech played it well - maybe better than any team in the nation. Tech suddenly found itself with SEC-caliber resources without SEC-caliber opposition in the same conference. It gave Tech an opportunity to step into a power vacuum. Tech did so. And to Joey's credit, he has built an entire defense in the portal in less than a year and turned it into a legitimately elite powerhouse. I don't love him as a coach - I think his game play against ASU cost us that game, which he dumbed down because we had a freshman backup QB making his first start. But credit where credit is due: anyone can buy a bunch of players in the portal. He has been able to make those players play like a team.

What Tech did in the offseason has made the blue bloods unhappy. The SEC has proposed rule changes to NIL and revenue sharing that would keep a team like Tech from being able to do what they did, and will push the FBS into an eventual super conference and Tech's standing there is uncertain. Tech has already begun planning for AAU membership that I think will result in a push into the B1G. It remains to be seen if they can get the TUF funded by the legislature, and if they can get AAU membership in time. UT will oppose it at every turn. I hope A&M would be an ally, but I am not optimistic about that.

I don't blame A&M for going to the SEC when it did. UT doesn't play well with others. It has been an unprecedented season for Tech this year, which has been a delight for this 60 year old Tech fan. It has been made more delightful because at the same time that Tech has put together its best team ever, Texas has fallen from the highest of highs in the preseason to a tantrum-throwing also-ran getting ready for the Pop Tarts Bowl while Tech and A&M are lining up for the playoffs.

Merry Christmas.

How can a billionaire just pay players outside of NIL rules that require a true nil contract?

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How can a billionaire just pay players outside of NIL rules that require a true nil contract?

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He didn't. Tech leveraged a loophole in the rules this year that, for whatever reason, other teams didn't find.

This doesn't explain it clearly, but may help a bit. There was a July 1st deadline for new NIL caps to go into place. Tech spent a ton of money before that deadline. Other teams were slow on the draw.



https://www.si.com/college/texas-tech/texas-tech-athletics/texas-tech-takes-national-spotlight-for-aggressive-nil-approach-as-critics-cry-foul

https://www.essentiallysports.com/ncaa-college-football-news-big-twelve-coaches-say-nil-rules-still-unclear-as-texas-tech-uses-legal-loophole-for-fifty-million-dollars-roster/

AI generated summary:

The "loophole" for Texas Tech football is their
aggressive use of front-loaded Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) deals before new NCAA revenue-sharing caps and stricter enforcement take effect, particularly through collectives like the Matador Club. This strategy allows them to secure top talent with large initial contracts, resulting in a reported "$50 million roster," a move that has drawn criticism from other Big 12 coaches who argue it creates an unlevel playing field. Texas Tech is also reportedly resisting signing the College Sports Commission (CSC) enforcement agreement, which could allow them more flexibility.

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Mississippi State (5-7) finished tied for 13th place in the SEC

they beat Arizona State (8-4) who finished tied for 4th place in the BDF

that tells you all you need to know

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Stop with the transitive property. It doesn't work, especially with week 1 and 2 games.

ASU @ MSU was week 2 and ASU lost the game on a last minute, blown coverage.

Tech played @ ASU with not only the starting QB out, but the star DL just got injured the week before. ASU had this game circled on their calendar since last year (this their words, not mine). They put all their chips into winning this one game.

So, no, it doesn't tell you all you need to know. You're leaving out some key details.

In 2008, Tech nearly lost to Nevada in week 2 and then went on to a 10-win season with wins over (#1) UT and (#8) OSU. Tech had climbed to #2 at one point before getting beat by OU. But they were a hair away from losing to Nevada (on the road).

2010 Tech blew out KSU @ KSU. KSU had blown out A&M. A&M then blows out Tech. So enough with this transitive property BS.

And last but certainly not least....

2025 Florida (4-8, 2-6) beat UT who beat A&M soundly. Based on your logic above, does that tell me all that I need to know????

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This. High School Joey is not getting serious offers because he's the weakest link. The money they have been throwing around explains why they get commits without the player having even seen the campus. Tech is irrelevant because they have no following and even in the best season of their history, no one is watching their games.

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You obviously know nothing about Tech.

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He is Ass My Dude said:

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Would he get to bring his billionaire with him?

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Bingo.
They're in a whole new world now with the checks Mr Campbell is writing

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Yep

As long as that guy is willing to do that, Joey has no reason to leave

With the way this playoff is set u, Tech will probably be a fixture in the playoffs for the foreseeable future

This sudden and new found expertise on Texas Tech is interesting and all, but their coach would ABSOLUTELY leave if a job he wanted came calling. So Tech has a billionaire writing checks and some loophole was exploited for NIL.

Cool stories, bros.

The coach would be outie 5-0 in a heartbeat despite those things (and whatever other incentives he has) if a blueblood came calling.

But none did, so the "inside scoop" gets perpetuated that he told his agent to not let any other schools get through to him. Yeah, right.

Look, Tech has had a great season. May win more than Texas A&M, but its hilarious all the Tech defenders who've posted on this thread now acting like they have some big inside access.

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This sudden and new found expertise on Texas Tech is interesting and all, but their coach would ABSOLUTELY leave if a job he wanted came calling. So Tech has a billionaire writing checks and some loophole was exploited for NIL.

Cool stories, bros.

The coach would be outie 5-0 in a heartbeat despite those things (and whatever other incentives he has) if a blueblood came calling.

But none did, so the "inside scoop" gets perpetuated that he told his agent to not let any other schools get through to him. Yeah, right.

Look, Tech has had a great season. May win more than Texas A&M, but its hilarious all the Tech defenders who've posted on this thread now acting like they have some big inside access.

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It's not just tech. Every year this board latches on to some bull**** Big12 team and hangs on their nuts despite it being clearly apparent it's due to weak competition. It was Baylor during the Briles years, and it was TCU a few times recently.

I thought this was a joke thread and I could not remember who Joey McGuire was and then oh yeah the Texas Tech football coach.