agchugger said:

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The SEC is not dropping teams.. you guys are just making stuff up now. They're not kicking out teams that have been in the conference since it began in 1932. Take your tin foil hats off.

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paying attention to the ongoing litigation and tv deals around college football is not "tin foil hat."

Its "reading the tea leaves"

TexasAggie_97 said:

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Come on down to the SEC. If Florida and Georgia and Alabama don't like it we'll tough ***** If they are afraid of what FSU might do to upset their status quo might wait to see what the **** show that t.u. Is does. They sure as hell didn't care what we thought of adding t.u.

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WAAAIIITTT!!!! WAIT A MINUTE. Ask tu first!!!!!!

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Most of the time a penalty for breaching a contract is unenforceable and breaching party can only be liable for actual damages or reasonable liquidated damages. Sounds like ACC would be trying to enforce a penalty to me. But then again, I admit I haven't looked into this specific situation at all. Just speculation.

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This isn't a contract requiring future performance. It was a present sale of intellectual property rights. FSU sold their TV rights to the ACC. They don't get to sell them twice to someone else. That's not a penalty.

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its a penalty


1.4.5 Withdrawal of Members. To withdraw from the Conference, a Member must file an official notice of withdrawal with each of the Members and the Commissioner on or before August 15 for the withdrawal to be effective June 30 of the following year. Upon official notice of withdrawal, the Member will be subject to a withdrawal payment, as liquidated damages, in an amount equal to three times the total operating budget of the Conference (including any contingency included therein), approved in accordance with Section 2.5.1 of the Bylaws of the Conference (the "Bylaws"), which is in effect as of the date of the official notice of withdrawal. The Conference may offset the amount of such payment against any distributions otherwise due such Member for any Conference year. Any remaining amount due shall be paid by the withdrawing Member within 30 days after the effective date of withdrawal. The withdrawing Member shall have no claim on the assets, accounts, or income of the Conference.

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Come on down to the SEC. If Florida and Georgia and Alabama don't like it we'll tough ***** If they are afraid of what FSU might do to upset their status quo might wait to see what the **** show that t.u. Is does. They sure as hell didn't care what we thought of adding t.u.

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I suspect Al, GA, and FL acting in concert would be sufficient to tank any initiative in the SEC. Those are the big dogs along with LSU.

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BMX Bandit said:

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its a penalty


1.4.5 Withdrawal of Members. To withdraw from the Conference, a Member must file an official notice of withdrawal with each of the Members and the Commissioner on or before August 15 for the withdrawal to be effective June 30 of the following year. Upon official notice of withdrawal, the Member will be subject to a withdrawal payment, as liquidated damages, in an amount equal to three times the total operating budget of the Conference (including any contingency included therein), approved in accordance with Section 2.5.1 of the Bylaws of the Conference (the "Bylaws"), which is in effect as of the date of the official notice of withdrawal. The Conference may offset the amount of such payment against any distributions otherwise due such Member for any Conference year. Any remaining amount due shall be paid by the withdrawing Member within 30 days after the effective date of withdrawal. The withdrawing Member shall have no claim on the assets, accounts, or income of the Conference.

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Yes, the ACC constitution has a withdrawal penalty which might be susceptible to attack on that basis.. However, that's different from the grant of rights. 2 different documents. 2 very different issues.

Will Snakey actually make a move against an ORIGINAL SEC team???

the acc is trying to enforce this penalty (in the future). that is what FSU is saying they can't do. that is the penatly the poster was talking about.

BMX Bandit said:

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agchugger said:

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The SEC is not dropping teams.. you guys are just making stuff up now. They're not kicking out teams that have been in the conference since it began in 1932. Take your tin foil hats off.

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paying attention to the ongoing litigation and tv deals around college football is not "tin foil hat."

Its "reading the tea leaves"

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Can you explain to me out the ongoing litigation and tv deals is evidence that teams that have been in the conference for coming up on a CENTURY are suddenly going to be removed from the conferece? I understand football is king, but the conferences play other sports (even some others that make money!)) You know this, right?????

BMX Bandit said:

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the acc is trying to enforce this penalty (in the future). that is what FSU is saying they can't do. that is the penatly the poster was talking about.

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FSU is attacking both the withdrawal penalty from the ACC Constitution and the Grant of Rights. If you will go back and look at Pete Thamel's tweets, you'll see there are two components to the monetary obstacle they face.

agchugger said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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agchugger said:

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The SEC is not dropping teams.. you guys are just making stuff up now. They're not kicking out teams that have been in the conference since it began in 1932. Take your tin foil hats off.

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paying attention to the ongoing litigation and tv deals around college football is not "tin foil hat."

Its "reading the tea leaves"

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Can you explain to me out the ongoing litigation and tv deals is evidence that teams that have been in the conference for coming up on a CENTURY are suddenly going to be removed from the conferece? I understand football is king, but the conferences play other sports (even some others that make money!)) You know this, right?????

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I think the idea of football as part of a conference is what will be gone. Vanderbilt will stay in SEC, Northwestern will stay B1G, and so on, for all of their usual sports as they have forever. Football won't be played in a conference as we know it. They may share names, but football will end up completely seperated from everything else. A&M could be in one 'conference' for football but stay SEC for everything else. At least that's the way I see it going.

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agchugger said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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agchugger said:

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The SEC is not dropping teams.. you guys are just making stuff up now. They're not kicking out teams that have been in the conference since it began in 1932. Take your tin foil hats off.

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paying attention to the ongoing litigation and tv deals around college football is not "tin foil hat."

Its "reading the tea leaves"

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Can you explain to me out the ongoing litigation and tv deals is evidence that teams that have been in the conference for coming up on a CENTURY are suddenly going to be removed from the conferece? I understand football is king, but the conferences play other sports (even some others that make money!)) You know this, right?????

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I think the idea of football as part of a conference is what will be gone. Vanderbilt will stay in SEC, Northwestern will stay B1G, and so on, for all of their usual sports as they have forever. Football won't be played in a conference as we know it. They may share names, but football will end up completely seperated from everything else. A&M could be in one 'conference' for football but stay SEC for everything else. At least that's the way I see it going.

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I am afraid that CGB will have the FOX conference and the ESPN conference.

the only other sport that really makes money consistently is men's basketball.

as I said above, you are going to see some schools that don't want to be a part of the new player-employee model. see NLRB lawsuit in CA right now. its coming.

I don't know if it will happen, but it would not surprise me at all if a vanderbilt decides that (novel idea) its a university first and teams with Duke, SMU, Cal, etc. for a conference.

the idea "its always been this way" so no school will be leaving just ignores all things that have changed in the last decade that people said would never change.

i know there are two parts. the poster said the penalty was not enforceable. then you said "its not a penalty"

there is a penalty, which you now seem to acknowledge.

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the only other sport that really makes money consistently is men's basketball.

as I said above, you are going to see some schools that don't want to be a part of the new player-employee model. see NLRB lawsuit in CA right now. its coming.

I don't know if it will happen, but it would not surprise me at all if a vanderbilt decides that (novel idea) its a university first and teams with Duke, SMU, Cal, etc. for a conference.

the idea "its always been this way" so no school will be leaving just ignores all things that have changed in the last decade that people said would never change.

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Uhh.. Vandy has $50M reasons a year NOT to do that. There is zero chance they decide 'we don't want $50M+ a year due to academics'. I'm pretty sure they've accepted that they won't ever compete in football (but they still perform pretty well in men's basketball and baseball. Teams aren't turning down $50M a year. Money still eases the burden on a lot and helps generate revenue in other areas. You first argued the SEC would be kicking teams out and now your'e saying they're going to leave willingly. Neither will happen. Too much money and tradition for it to happen. Yes things are changing but not at the scale you surmise.

When is the last time a conference kicked a team out? You've got to go down to Div 3 to find a story like that. It ain't happening and all revenues are tied to conferences so new conferences aren't being formed.

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no I didn't.

I said it would be a voluntary separation. you have to stop thinking about it in terms of "kicked out of the SEC"

its going to be a whole new football division, apart from the NCAA.

Nothing will be happening for at least a decade since the new media deal is just going into effect this year for 10 years. Especially voluntarily. Just because a lot has changed doesn't mean everything will change.

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New schools don't join a conference and then proceed to kick out schools that were charter members. Unthinkable.

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But they can join a conference and then invite the current members to join them in forming a new conference with a bigger payout. Not like t.u. doesn't have a history of that sort of thing...

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agchugger said:

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agchugger said:

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The SEC is not dropping teams.. you guys are just making stuff up now. They're not kicking out teams that have been in the conference since it began in 1932. Take your tin foil hats off.

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paying attention to the ongoing litigation and tv deals around college football is not "tin foil hat."

Its "reading the tea leaves"

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Can you explain to me out the ongoing litigation and tv deals is evidence that teams that have been in the conference for coming up on a CENTURY are suddenly going to be removed from the conferece? I understand football is king, but the conferences play other sports (even some others that make money!)) You know this, right?????

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I think the idea of football as part of a conference is what will be gone. Vanderbilt will stay in SEC, Northwestern will stay B1G, and so on, for all of their usual sports as they have forever. Football won't be played in a conference as we know it. They may share names, but football will end up completely seperated from everything else. A&M could be in one 'conference' for football but stay SEC for everything else. At least that's the way I see it going.

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It would probably be best for academic institutions to separate from the semi-pro athletic programs. Eliminate all athletic scholarships would be the first step. The monster created over the last 100 years must die.

Speaking of court cases

BREAKING: NLRB rules that Dartmouth men’s basketball players ARE EMPLOYEES OF DARTMOUTH and are allowed to go forward with an election to create a union.

Story to come! pic.twitter.com/dhLFleLwo8

— Amanda Christovich (@achristovichh) February 5, 2024

Haven't seen the opinion, but the NLRB would be ignoring their prior decision not to take jurisdiction of a case brought by Northwestern football players. The reasoning in the prior case was that, since the NLRB would be barred by statue from certifying a union for state schools, it didn't make sense to do so for private schools in the same league as state schools.

NFL farm system. "Introducing the Brazos Valley Totesacks your AA Houston Texans Jr league football team"....crowd goes nutts...Kyle rocks. Folks get paid, college education is optional. This is what needs to happen. It will eventually IMO.

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agchugger said:

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agchugger said:

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The SEC is not dropping teams.. you guys are just making stuff up now. They're not kicking out teams that have been in the conference since it began in 1932. Take your tin foil hats off.

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paying attention to the ongoing litigation and tv deals around college football is not "tin foil hat."

Its "reading the tea leaves"

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Can you explain to me out the ongoing litigation and tv deals is evidence that teams that have been in the conference for coming up on a CENTURY are suddenly going to be removed from the conferece? I understand football is king, but the conferences play other sports (even some others that make money!)) You know this, right?????

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I think the idea of football as part of a conference is what will be gone. Vanderbilt will stay in SEC, Northwestern will stay B1G, and so on, for all of their usual sports as they have forever. Football won't be played in a conference as we know it. They may share names, but football will end up completely seperated from everything else. A&M could be in one 'conference' for football but stay SEC for everything else. At least that's the way I see it going.

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Small schools that don't pull their weight in the revenue will eventually get snubbed out in some way. This is inevitable. So far the poaching has been between conferences - bigger conferences with more $ to distribute poaching bigger schools from smaller conferences. Eventually this will find its end and then the conference headquarters' crosshairs will be turned to the smaller schools in their own conference. The larger schools will put pressure on them to do so. That way larger schools will have more $ to compete with the larger schools in the other conferences. I could see the smaller schools getting smaller distributions from their conference that match the revenue they bring.

🚨 | BREAKING: The ACC has officially announced that FSU is allowed to buy back their TV rights & exit the conference...

A new lawsuit filed Friday has revealed that the ACC is seeking to negotiate with the Noles. Previously, the topic of leaving the ACC was set to hit court,… pic.twitter.com/oQCX1jZlNr

— Blue Bloods Bias (@bluebloodsbias) February 17, 2024

That's weird. I was told in the zoo that is was impossible for fsu to leave because of the greatest and most unbreakable contract known to man

Exactly!

Nowhere does it say the ACC is letting FSU leave just that they would be willing to entertain FSU.

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That's weird. I was told in the zoo that is was impossible for fsu to leave because of the greatest and most unbreakable contract known to man

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You should probably read what's actually happening not that tweet that's misleading

ACC has good lawyers and wants to argue the case that they OWN FSU's rights

if FSU would like to buy them back FSU should put an offer on the table and start the negotiations

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That's weird. I was told in the zoo that is was impossible for fsu to leave because of the greatest and most unbreakable contract known to man

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You should probably read what's actually happening not that tweet that's misleading

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Ironic given you are one of the key people misrepresenting what's going on in this case and what fsu can & can't do .

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vander54 said:

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That's weird. I was told in the zoo that is was impossible for fsu to leave because of the greatest and most unbreakable contract known to man

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You should probably read what's actually happening not that tweet that's misleading

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Ironic given you are one of the key people misrepresenting what's going on in this case and what fsu can & can't do .

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I haven't posted anything about what's going on. I've said FSU can try but I don't see them successfully getting out without a big payment

My apologies. I confused you with another poster.



ESPN has entered the lawsuit to protect disclosure of ACC documents. One step closer to P2 with fsu in B16

I don't see how ESPN making a request to the court to preserve the confidentiality of their documents as a third party makes any move by FSU more (or less) likely. You may need to take a break from this since you are getting to the point where your confirmation bias has you thinking everything is a confirmation of your desired result.

"Oh my gosh! The sun came up this morning! This definitely means FSU is leaving the ACC!"

your head in the sand is why you can't see that the sun came up and there is no doubt FSU is definitely leaving the ACC. the only questions are when and how much it costs.