levypantsEOY said:

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Serious question/ hypothetical to the "never againers"-

In the bizarro chance that the sips somehow do make a comeback in the next year or two (make the playoffs/ continued with top 5 classes, etc.), would your views change? CFB is cyclical and as much as I would love to believe that tu will wither on the vine, there is still a possibility that they are able to reclimb the mountain (even with Hermensa).

In other words, would your attitude change on renewing the game if we continued with lackluster 8 win seasons and they somehow were in contention for a title every year? If not, curious for your rationale then.

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That might change things a little bit for me. In that scenario, we would be the ones with more to gain by playing the game.

However, I would worry that too many Aggies would revert to the sip-obsessed, little brother mentality of the past and that would still keep me from wanting to play the game. In your scenario, there'd be more of an argument to play, but still not good enough.

I understand the reasons for bringing back the rivalry with the Texas Longhorns and the reasons against it. I believe playing them at the end of every regular season would strengthen our schedule, and I would rather play the Longhorns than an FCS team, like Lamar, Northwestern State, Prairie View A&M, or Sam Houston State. My ideal schedule would be 8 conference games, Texas, and either a home and home or one-off neutral site with another non-conference Power 5 team, and 2 Group of 5 teams.

Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, and South Carolina play ACC Opponents Georgia Tech, Florida State, Louisville, and Clemson respectively at the end of every year. Likewise, we should resume playing Texas on Thanksgiving weekend. I understand that we have to play Alabama, Auburn, and LSU every year, and bringing back this team will make our path to the College Football Playoff more difficult. But I would like the opportunity to beat them on the field during a regular season. I hate to point out that since the CFP era started in 2014, Texas has already won a NY6 bowl before we have even played in one. In 2018, Texas made a Big 12 conference championship game appearance and defeated the SEC East Champion Georgia Bulldogs 28-21 in the Sugar Bowl to finish 10-4 and No. 9.

I believe the Aggies will surpass the Longhorns in national relevance, but unless the Big 12 implodes, the Longhorns' brand will not collapse. For that to happen, we will need at least a 10+ win season and a NY6 bowl win while navigating a tough SEC West schedule. I believe Jimbo Fisher will one day to lead us to an SEC championship, a CFP appearance, and a national championship. Hopefully, we win an SEC championship before the Longhorns win a Big 12 championship.

I completely agree with you. I would rather play Texas than another cupcake game against Lamar, Northwestern State, Texas State, or UTSA.

I don't think he is asking for 12 game P5 schedule, but I believe he is suggesting a 10 game P5 schedule with 8 SEC games, Texas, and one other P5 team. I would actually like that type of schedule myself because that would mean one less cupcake game.

Iraq2xVeteran said:

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I don't think he is asking for 12 game P5 schedule, but I believe he is suggesting a 10 game P5 schedule with 8 SEC games, Texas, and one other P5 team. I would actually like that type of schedule myself because that would mean one less cupcake game.

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And I would like a natty. Whatever gives us the best chance is what I'd like to see.

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Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, and South Carolina play ACC Opponents Georgia Tech, Florida State, Louisville, and Clemson

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Which of these ACC schools caused 4 other universities to spend tens of millions of dollars to get away from them?

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Georgia, Florida, Kentucky, and South Carolina play ACC Opponents Georgia Tech, Florida State, Louisville, and Clemson

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Which of these ACC schools caused 4 other universities to spend tens of millions of dollars to get away from them?

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It's worth noting that both Texas and Oklahoma conspired to deny us the $20 million the Big 12 had committed to pay us as well to remain in the Big 12 in 2010. Otherwise we would have left sooner. Possibly with Oklahoma also leaving.

IF we played the sips again, my #1 preference would be in a NY6 bowl game or in a CFP game

IF we decided to play them in the regular season again I dont know if it would be more advantageous for us to play them on Thanksgiving after we've gone through the gauntlet of the SECW, or play them in Sept (game 3) when we're fresh. I think I'd actually lean toward Sept. even with the nostalgia of growing up with this game on Thanksgiving.

Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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HTownAg said:

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Reginald Cousins said:

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Also, all those schools you named have very pedestrian rivals.

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Florida State is not the Florida State of old, winning national titles and finishing in the top 5 for 14 straight years, however they are a better opponent than Kent State, Lamar, Texas State, Abilene Christian, Prairie View A&M, Sam Houston, UMass, Northwestern State

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Again, they aren't better than Clemson, Notre Dame, etc. - Power 5 non-conference games that we do play. People that desperately want to play the sips again love to ignore the marquee OOC games we play instead.

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We don't play Clemson again in the near future, in fact we don't play anybody near Clemson in OOC. Only Notre Dame comes even close and Colorado nor Arizona State are not in that same realm.

Read the entire thread...I did not suggest dropping Notre Dame for tu, I suggested dropping Abilene Christian, Kent State, Lamar, Sam Houston, etc. for tu.

HTownAg said:

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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HTownAg said:

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Reginald Cousins said:

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Also, all those schools you named have very pedestrian rivals.

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Florida State is not the Florida State of old, winning national titles and finishing in the top 5 for 14 straight years, however they are a better opponent than Kent State, Lamar, Texas State, Abilene Christian, Prairie View A&M, Sam Houston, UMass, Northwestern State

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Again, they aren't better than Clemson, Notre Dame, etc. - Power 5 non-conference games that we do play. People that desperately want to play the sips again love to ignore the marquee OOC games we play instead.

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We don't play Clemson again in the near future, in fact we don't play anybody near Clemson in OOC. Only Notre Dame comes even close and Colorado nor Arizona State are not in that same realm.

Read the entire thread...I did not suggest dropping Notre Dame for tu, I suggested dropping Abilene Christian, Kent State, Lamar, Sam Houston, etc. for tu.

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The only teams in the realm of Clemson are Bama, LSU, Ohio St, and Georgia. We play two of those every year and COULD play the other in any given year in the SEC Championship game. Agreed that the FCS schools and small mid-majors are boring. The sips can thump their chests all they want about how they've scheduled a tough OOC game but dont let them fool you, they have the luxury of balancing that out with Kansas every year

levypantsEOY said:

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Serious question/ hypothetical to the "never againers"-

In the bizarro chance that the sips somehow do make a comeback in the next year or two (make the playoffs/ continued with top 5 classes, etc.), would your views change? CFB is cyclical and as much as I would love to believe that tu will wither on the vine, there is still a possibility that they are able to reclimb the mountain (even with Hermensa).

In other words, would your attitude change on renewing the game if we continued with lackluster 8 win seasons and they somehow were in contention for a title every year? If not, curious for your rationale then.

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No, if they get that good we'll see them in the playoffs or a bowl game

That wasnt the hypothetical.

If I told you that in, say, 2021, the sips would be headed towards the playoffs and we would be facing an 8 win season, would you want to play them?

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No, if they get that good we'll see them in the playoffs or a bowl game

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IOW: does t change my stance. Only way I would like a Texas Aggies vs t.u. matchup is post-season...

levypantsEOY said:

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That wasnt the hypothetical.

If I told you that in, say, 2021, the sips would be headed towards the playoffs and we would be facing an 8 win season, would you want to play them?

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Unsolicited response to any hypothetical not involving post season:

I want nothing to do with them.

They had the advantage over us for decades in terms of money, media, perception, etc, etc. Now that we have a boot on their neck why voluntarily remove it?

Play'm in the post season or not at all.

elfurioso92 said:

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They had the advantage over us for decades in terms of money, media, perception, etc, etc. Now that we have a boot on their neck why voluntarily remove it?

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A&M doesn't have their boot on anyone's neck.

elfurioso92 said:

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They had the advantage over us for decades in terms of money, media, perception, etc, etc. Now that we have a boot on their neck why voluntarily remove it?

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How on earth do you think we have a boot on their neck? You are delusional. They are doing ok on the field just like we are. Neither are great. They are recruiting very well, just like we are. Their program is bringing in incedible revenue just like ours.

What type of maroon colored glasses do you have to have to think we are killing their program? Delusional arrogance at its finest.

Their decision-makers clearly want the game badly. Notice that none of this talk comes from A&M leadership and hasn't since we offered in 2011 and were told to go **** ourselves.

And again, the always unanswered point - we, along with 3 other major universities, paid millions just a few years ago to get away from those people. No other NCAA athletic entity in history has alienated more people than they have.

Hard pass.

Staying power; this thread has it!!!

TexAggie1999 said:

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elfurioso92 said:

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They had the advantage over us for decades in terms of money, media, perception, etc, etc. Now that we have a boot on their neck why voluntarily remove it?

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How on earth do you think we have a boot on their neck? You are delusional. They are doing ok on the field just like we are. Neither are great. They are recruiting very well, just like we are. Their program is bringing in incedible revenue just like ours.

What type of maroon colored glasses do you have to have to think we are killing their program? Delusional arrogance at its finest.

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We definitely don't have our foot on their neck, but we are finally on an even playing field. That is something that we didn't even have at our height in the Big 12 when we were beating them during the 90s. It was always about how texas was down, not how we were catching up. The SEC is helping us change this narrative. Another 10 years and (I believe) the story will be about how we made the moves to pass them as the premier athletic program in the state. Go back to playing them annually, and the story will always be about how this year is the year tu catches A&M. Let them have their "we're back"s and we can watch from a distance.

TXAggie2011 said:

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elfurioso92 said:

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They had the advantage over us for decades in terms of money, media, perception, etc, etc. Now that we have a boot on their neck why voluntarily remove it?

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A&M doesn't have their boot on anyone's neck.

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When they're begging for the game you absolutely do.

TexAggie1999 said:

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elfurioso92 said:

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They had the advantage over us for decades in terms of money, media, perception, etc, etc. Now that we have a boot on their neck why voluntarily remove it?

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How on earth do you think we have a boot on their neck? You are delusional. They are doing ok on the field just like we are. Neither are great. They are recruiting very well, just like we are. Their program is bringing in incedible revenue just like ours.

What type of maroon colored glasses do you have to have to think we are killing their program? Delusional arrogance at its finest.

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You know how I know you really don't watch football and if you do, don't know **** about it?

Read your post again. And again. And again.

elfurioso92 said:

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They had the advantage over us for decades in terms of money, media, perception, etc, etc. Now that we have a boot on their neck why voluntarily remove it?

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tu has a record of 76-37-5 against the Ags
tu has 4 national titles, all from 1963 to present
Ags national title was in 1939

Please explain to me how we have a boot on their neck?

I think you should look more closely at the record since 1970 or so which is considered the modern age of college football, as it is closer to 50-50. If tu wants to brag about their wins from 1900 through 1974 then so be it but what counts is what is happening now and in the future

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I think you should look more closely at the record since 1970 or so which is considered the modern age of college football, as it is closer to 50-50. If tu wants to brag about their wins from 1900 through 1974 then so be it but what counts is what is happening now and in the future

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This. The sips mock us for our success and championships pre modern era while at the same time pounding their chest over their "dominant record" over us, in which the bulk of their wins against us came in that same time span

I think the bottom line is just how much do you dislike UTX? If you are entertaining thoughts of renewing a series with them I would suggest your dislike for them is not what it needs to be.

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I think you should look more closely at the record since 1970 or so which is considered the modern age of college football, as it is closer to 50-50. If tu wants to brag about their wins from 1900 through 1974 then so be it but what counts is what is happening now and in the future

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Ok since 1970

tu holds a 23-19 edge in head-to-head
10 SWC Titles, 3 Big 12 titles, 2 national titles, one national runner-up

Aggies
7 SWC titles, 1 Big 12

The only team that might have their boot on Texas' throat is OU.

And that's because they play them every year and beat them the majority of the time.

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I think the bottom line is just how much do you dislike UTX? If you are entertaining thoughts of renewing a series with them I would suggest your dislike for them is not what it needs to be.

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Its sports. When you hate someone, you play them and settle it on the field.

Its what they do everywhere else in college football and more than that, the entire sports world.

TXAggie2011 said:

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Spyderman said:

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I think the bottom line is just how much do you dislike UTX? If you are entertaining thoughts of renewing a series with them I would suggest your dislike for them is not what it needs to be.

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Its sports. When you hate someone, you play them and settle it on the field.

Its what they do everywhere else in college football and more than that, the entire sports world.

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Haha exactly this. If you hate someone enough, you GO AND FIGHT THEM. You dont see their car outside a dive bar and then drive to another spot because youre so totally, 100%, like completely over them. What a cowardly way to live your life.

Complete narcissistic selfishness being posted.

Again.

If playing them can improve the odds of winning a national championship, I'm all for it. If it can't, I won't be.

TexAgs: We don"t care about t.u. anymore! We've moved on!

Also TexAgs: 11 page thread about how we don't care about t.u. anymore, trying to convince ourselves we've moved on.

Reginald Cousins said:

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Complete narcissistic selfishness being posted.

Again.

If playing them can improve the odds of winning a national championship, I'm all for it. If it can't, I won't be.

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LSU just played them and went on to win the national championship. Alabama scheduled a home and home. Ohio State scheduled a home and home. So did Georgia, Florida, and Michigan. USC and Notre Dame just completed a series with them.

Teams that actually compete for championships don't seem to shy away.

(And most of those schools played or will play at least 9 other Power 5 games in the regular seasons the Longhorns are scheduled.)

TXAggie2011 said:

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Reginald Cousins said:

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Complete narcissistic selfishness being posted.

Again.

If playing them can improve the odds of winning a national championship, I'm all for it. If it can't, I won't be.

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LSU just played them and went on to win the national championship. Alabama scheduled a home and home. Ohio State scheduled a home and home. So did Georgia, Florida, and Michigan. USC and Notre Dame just completed a series with them.

Teams that actually compete for championships don't seem to shy away.

(And most of those schools played or will play at least 9 other Power 5 games in the regular seasons the Longhorns are scheduled.)

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My point.

LSU nor Bama played 10 P5 games.

We shouldn't either, and we're booked.

You still didn't explain to me how it increases the odds.