Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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Y'all can't make up your minds, does Texas suck or are they an automatic Loss?? I personally don't feel validated going 8-5 on the backs of 3 cupcake wins.

I think Texas is overrated, and that A&M is about to become the premiere flagship university in TX both academically and athletically very soon. The SEC move was a no-brainer. I believe we would have dominated the Horns in the 2010s non-conference and we would continue to do so in the 2020s and beyond. By beating them on the field, it would accelerate our growth & rise via recruiting. It's easier to beat them than win the SEC West, so by beating them & the recruiting boost that comes with it, we can climb the SEC West mountain even faster.

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They are neither an automatic win or loss. They'll win sometimes. Probably 50% of the time.

Even if we win at a higher rate, it isn't worth it. Playing two Power 5 opponents (them and someone else) will absolutely beat up our team more than playing just one Power 5 opponent. Throw a a rivalry game in there and the team is beat up not just physically but emotionally.

Playing Texas does nothing towards helping us win a championship - they aren't in our conference and the Playoff Committee doesn't penalize you for playing creampuff OOC schools. What it will do, as our second Power 5 game, is give us a lesser shot of winning all of our SEC games. There's no denying that players will be more beat up after playing Texas vs. playing ACU. Fatigue adds up throughout the season. I'd rather not jeopardize our SEC title hopes just so that we can foolishly play an extra, emotional Power 5 matchup.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who disagrees cares more about playing Texas than winning. I'm not on board with that. Would the game be fun? Sure. Does it help them and hurt us? Yes. Winning the SEC would be way more fun than playing the sips.

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I respect your point of view. To me, I just worry our fanbase over-analyzes things when in reality it's just football we're talking about. I agree with the fatigue aspect. But I would counter that often times Georgia & Florida will play their 8-game SEC schedule, a P5 OOC game, and their P5 rival school. Both schools have played in much bigger games than we have recently. Both schools have played in multiple SEC championship games since 2000, and both have played in the National Championship game.

Georgia & Florida don't let it slow them down. They don't cancel their rivalry games.

WE did not cancel the rivalry game with tu, or cancel the SWC.

Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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I'm not saying anything derogatory against those teams, but A&M, our conference, how we gauged success, and our expectations were obviously different in the 70s compared to the modern era of Jimbo Fisher at the helm.

There's no denying that the SWC was weak. If it wasn't, then the first place in conference Aggies wouldn't have finished outside the top 5 (and one outside the top 10) two years in a row in the mid-70s. It's awesome that they had the success that they did and laid the foundation for bigger things down the road. Hopefully we're now aiming a little higher than finishing the season 12th in the polls and just beating Texas.

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Where do you get weak? There was nothing weak about us or our schedules. The SWC had 3 Top 20 teams in '74, A&M 16th (8-3); 3 Top 20 teams in '75, A&M 11th (10-2), 3 Top 10 teams in '76, A&M 7th (10-2); 2 Top 5 teams in '77, A&M dropped out after losing the bowl game (8-4). The SWC had the Heisman Trophy winner in '77. That's as good as anybody. You can have expectations through the roof but they're no higher than A&M's were each of those years.

Every game was a fist fight; there was no "weak" in the mid-70s schedule, pal. It's very poor taste on your part to classify it as such, condescending. You're a typist. You might want to stay in the present with your observations.

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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I'm not saying anything derogatory against those teams, but A&M, our conference, how we gauged success, and our expectations were obviously different in the 70s compared to the modern era of Jimbo Fisher at the helm.

There's no denying that the SWC was weak. If it wasn't, then the first place in conference Aggies wouldn't have finished outside the top 5 (and one outside the top 10) two years in a row in the mid-70s. It's awesome that they had the success that they did and laid the foundation for bigger things down the road. Hopefully we're now aiming a little higher than finishing the season 12th in the polls and just beating Texas.

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Where do you get weak? There was nothing weak about us or our schedules. The SWC had 3 Top 20 teams in '74, A&M 16th (8-3); 3 Top 20 teams in '75, A&M 11th (10-2), 3 Top 10 teams in '76, A&M 7th (10-2); 2 Top 5 teams in '77, A&M dropped out after losing the bowl game (8-4). The SWC had the Heisman Trophy winner in '77. That's as good as anybody. You can have expectations through the roof but they're no higher than A&M's were each of those years.

Every game was a fist fight; there was no "weak" in the mid-70s schedule, pal. It's very poor taste on your part to classify it as such, condescending. You're a typist. You might want to stay in the present with your observations.

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Texas has all the advantages except one, and that one is A&M can build a championship program without playing Texas and that trumps any of those built-in advantages Texas has. Their boosters know it and their cry baby asses can't stand it.
I appreciate what CG has accomplished and the ambassador for Texas A&M he's been but he's wrong on this one.

I'm in the never Play Texas again crowd due to their hubris, not from fear of losing. Some people's logic about schedule strength and not wanting a tougher schedule is F****** pathetic. LSU just beat the following teams in one freaking season:

Texas
Florida
Auburn
Bama
A&M
OU
Georgia
Clemson

If we threw together a season like that I would be satisfied for the rest of my life if we only ever made major bowls occasionally after that. They beat all the best teams in the country like rag dolls and murdered everyone else. We'd kill to have a season where we beat tu and OU in the same season like they did . I've been an Aggie my whole life granted I've only been alive for 28 years, but it gets tiresome hearing all the excuses. The fact that we have a "hall of champions" in Kyle is a joke whenever as stated above, we haven't won a championship in the three major sports in 80 years. There's a reason we get berated by everyone for our lack of success. Then we have the audacity to think we are above other teams just because they are in the BIG 12.

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I see where he's coming from. It'd be fun to play them. But there also has to be some logic here. Playing texas would boost their strength of schedule, not ours.

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tu would be a much better game than Sam Houston, Abilene Christian, Kent State, Lamar, Tartleton, UTSA, Nicholls, UMass etc and all the other creampuffs that A&M plays

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I dont think anyone disagrees that it would be a better game for us than one vs an FCS or G5 opponent. BUT, it would be an infinitely much better game for the sips. There is absolutely zero reason to help our most hated rival, who we know will cheat, use their political clout, media influence, and money to cheat the system to their benefit.

Why on God's green earth would we do that?!

We play better teams and more fun games now

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We don't play another Clemson-type program in the near future so I'll take tu over a home non-conference schedule of Abilene Christian, North Texas, Colorado and North Texas this year or Kent State, Colorado, New Mexico and Prairie View A&M the following year

Our only decent non-conference game is Notre Dame - which we all know is not Clemson followed by two years with Arizona State.

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I see where he's coming from. It'd be fun to play them. But there also has to be some logic here. Playing texas would boost their strength of schedule, not ours.

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tu would be a much better game than Sam Houston, Abilene Christian, Kent State, Lamar, Tartleton, UTSA, Nicholls, UMass etc and all the other creampuffs that A&M plays

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Why stop at playing two Power Five non-conference teams? It'd be REALLY fun to play four. We might as well schedule Clemson and Ohio State every year too.

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Colorado and Fresno are not Clemson or tu
Neither is Arizona State which we pick up again in a few years

I'm saying drop Prairie View A&M or Abilene Christian or Lamar, directional Louisiana school etc. for tu

A home schedule of North Texas, Colorado, Fresno, ACU is just horrible...

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HarveyBirdman said:

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I see where he's coming from. It'd be fun to play them. But there also has to be some logic here. Playing texas would boost their strength of schedule, not ours.

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tu would be a much better game than Sam Houston, Abilene Christian, Kent State, Lamar, Tartleton, UTSA, Nicholls, UMass etc and all the other creampuffs that A&M plays

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I dont think anyone disagrees that it would be a better game for us than one vs an FCS or G5 opponent. BUT, it would be an infinitely much better game for the sips. There is absolutely zero reason to help our most hated rival, who we know will cheat, use their political clout, media influence, and money to cheat the system to their benefit.

Why on God's green earth would we do that?!

We play better teams and more fun games now

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We don't play another Clemson-type program in the near future so I'll take tu over a home non-conference schedule of Abilene Christian, North Texas, Colorado and North Texas this year or Kent State, Colorado, New Mexico and Prairie View A&M the following year

Our only decent non-conference game is Notre Dame - which we all know is not Clemson followed by two years with Arizona State.

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My point was more along the lines of our schedule as a whole, not just OOC games. Sure, the FCS and G5 games aren't exhilarating matchups but what I meant was that our other 8 games pack plenty of womp. Bama, LSU, and Auburn are all as exciting, and based on the last 15 years, are better games than tu. And Notre Dame, Miami, and Az State are more than worthy opponents....even though they dont measure up to your "Clemson scale"...there are only about 4 other programs in the country that do and we play 2 of them every year.

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I see where he's coming from. It'd be fun to play them. But there also has to be some logic here. Playing texas would boost their strength of schedule, not ours.

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tu would be a much better game than Sam Houston, Abilene Christian, Kent State, Lamar, Tartleton, UTSA, Nicholls, UMass etc and all the other creampuffs that A&M plays

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I dont think anyone disagrees that it would be a better game for us than one vs an FCS or G5 opponent. BUT, it would be an infinitely much better game for the sips. There is absolutely zero reason to help our most hated rival, who we know will cheat, use their political clout, media influence, and money to cheat the system to their benefit.

Why on God's green earth would we do that?!

We play better teams and more fun games now

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We don't play another Clemson-type program in the near future so I'll take tu over a home non-conference schedule of Abilene Christian, North Texas, Colorado and North Texas this year or Kent State, Colorado, New Mexico and Prairie View A&M the following year

Our only decent non-conference game is Notre Dame - which we all know is not Clemson followed by two years with Arizona State.

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My point was more along the lines of our schedule as a whole, not just OOC games. Sure, the FCS and G5 games aren't exhilarating matchups but what I meant was that our other 8 games pack plenty of womp. Bama, LSU, and Auburn are all as exciting, and based on the last 15 years, are better games than tu. And Notre Dame, Miami, and Az State are more than worthy opponents....even though they dont measure up to your "Clemson scale"...there are only about 4 other programs in the country that do and we play 2 of them every year.

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Only a fool would argue that the SEC is not a powerful conference, it is without a doubt, the best conference in all of college football. We agree that playing Bama, LSU and Auburn every year is quite a challenge. I was talking OOC only.

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I'm in the never Play Texas again crowd due to their hubris, not from fear of losing. Some people's logic about schedule strength and not wanting a tougher schedule is F****** pathetic. LSU just beat the following teams in one freaking season:

Texas
Florida
Auburn
Bama
A&M
OU
Georgia
Clemson

If we threw together a season like that I would be satisfied for the rest of my life if we only ever made major bowls occasionally after that. They beat all the best teams in the country like rag dolls and murdered everyone else. We'd kill to have a season where we beat tu and OU in the same season like they did . I've been an Aggie my whole life granted I've only been alive for 28 years, but it gets tiresome hearing all the excuses. The fact that we have a "hall of champions" in Kyle is a joke whenever as stated above, we haven't won a championship in the three major sports in 80 years. There's a reason we get berated by everyone for our lack of success. Then we have the audacity to think we are above other teams just because they are in the BIG 12.

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Exactly this. The crybabies whining "ohhh our schedule would be too tough with the sips on it..." are betas who bend down to tie their shoes without bending their knees.
If you dont want to play them because you more enjoy watching them wallow then fine, but dont make this about our path to the championship. We cant pat ourselves on the back for playing in the toughest conference with one hand and then wipe away our tears at having to play another "good" team every year with the other.
Just like how we cant claim that tu is a worthless, weak program at the same time complaining that they would make our schedule too hard.

Do you think LSU whined about playing Texas OOC last year? Or next? No. Because they knew they would bend them over on national TV on their way to glory.

Replace the ACU/Tarleton type games with the service academies and meet 'sip in NY6 or CFP.

Let's annually play other teams that we share a legacy of service with and not the sorry steers?

Replacing one of the D3 schools on our schedule with a service academy would be awesome.

Great comments by Cullen. Agree on all of them.

Am I the only one who is completely disinterested in playing the service academies?

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HarveyBirdman said:

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HTownAg said:

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HarveyBirdman said:

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I see where he's coming from. It'd be fun to play them. But there also has to be some logic here. Playing texas would boost their strength of schedule, not ours.

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tu would be a much better game than Sam Houston, Abilene Christian, Kent State, Lamar, Tartleton, UTSA, Nicholls, UMass etc and all the other creampuffs that A&M plays

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I dont think anyone disagrees that it would be a better game for us than one vs an FCS or G5 opponent. BUT, it would be an infinitely much better game for the sips. There is absolutely zero reason to help our most hated rival, who we know will cheat, use their political clout, media influence, and money to cheat the system to their benefit.

Why on God's green earth would we do that?!

We play better teams and more fun games now

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We don't play another Clemson-type program in the near future so I'll take tu over a home non-conference schedule of Abilene Christian, North Texas, Colorado and North Texas this year or Kent State, Colorado, New Mexico and Prairie View A&M the following year

Our only decent non-conference game is Notre Dame - which we all know is not Clemson followed by two years with Arizona State.

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My point was more along the lines of our schedule as a whole, not just OOC games. Sure, the FCS and G5 games aren't exhilarating matchups but what I meant was that our other 8 games pack plenty of womp. Bama, LSU, and Auburn are all as exciting, and based on the last 15 years, are better games than tu. And Notre Dame, Miami, and Az State are more than worthy opponents....even though they dont measure up to your "Clemson scale"...there are only about 4 other programs in the country that do and we play 2 of them every year.

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Only a fool would argue that the SEC is not a powerful conference, it is without a doubt, the best conference in all of college football. We agree that playing Bama, LSU and Auburn every year is quite a challenge. I was talking OOC only.

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Notre Dame has a better recent resume than tu

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Am I the only one who is completely disinterested in playing the service academies?

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I think they would be more fun than FCS schools, but I would be concerned they would put us on upset alert. Those triple option teams can sneak up on you. I remember The Citadel vs Bama being close at half time

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Am I the only one who is completely disinterested in playing the service academies?

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I think they would be more fun than FCS schools, but I would be concerned they would put us on upset alert. Those triple option teams can sneak up on you. I remember The Citadel vs Bama being close at half time

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Very true. Part of my reason for disinterest

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Am I the only one who is completely disinterested in playing the service academies?

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I think they would be more fun than FCS schools, but I would be concerned they would put us on upset alert. Those triple option teams can sneak up on you. I remember The Citadel vs Bama being close at half time

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Very true. Part of my reason for disinterest

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And exactly why I am glad you arent in charge of scheduling. Fear of losing is never a reason to avoid playing. Loser mentality.

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HarveyBirdman said:

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HarveyBirdman said:

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Am I the only one who is completely disinterested in playing the service academies?

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I think they would be more fun than FCS schools, but I would be concerned they would put us on upset alert. Those triple option teams can sneak up on you. I remember The Citadel vs Bama being close at half time

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Very true. Part of my reason for disinterest

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And exactly why I am glad you arent in charge of scheduling. Fear of losing is never a reason to avoid playing. Loser mentality.

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Then why don't we schedule Texas, Ohio State, Michigan, and Clemson every year for our OOC games?

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HarveyBirdman said:

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HarveyBirdman said:

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Am I the only one who is completely disinterested in playing the service academies?

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I think they would be more fun than FCS schools, but I would be concerned they would put us on upset alert. Those triple option teams can sneak up on you. I remember The Citadel vs Bama being close at half time

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Very true. Part of my reason for disinterest

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And exactly why I am glad you arent in charge of scheduling. Fear of losing is never a reason to avoid playing. Loser mentality.

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Some play chess, some play checkers. I think I know which one you are. Show me a list of all the head coaches dying to play a triple option team.

Coaches set goals for their program. We are in a position to aim high and set our sights on a national championship because we play in the toughest conference in America. You want to make the path to that tougher apparently....checkers.

We can accomplish everything that we want to by winning our division and playing in/ winning the SECCG.

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Replacing one of the D3 schools on our schedule with a service academy would be awesome.

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The B12 probably frown upon t.u. replacing a conference game for a service academy.

I've read all 9 pages of the drivel of 90% of the people on this board NOT wanting this game.

Screw all of you. I'm a 1987 grad (twice) and a 1994 masters. I want this game.

Playing the game solely because it is a rivalry is enough of a reason. By itself.

TxFig said:

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I've read all 9 pages of the drivel of 90% of the people on this board NOT wanting this game.

Screw all of you. I'm a 1987 grad (twice) and a 1994 masters. I want this game.

Playing the game solely because it is a rivalry is enough of a reason. By itself.

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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levypantsEOY said:

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HarveyBirdman said:

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HarveyBirdman said:

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Am I the only one who is completely disinterested in playing the service academies?

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I think they would be more fun than FCS schools, but I would be concerned they would put us on upset alert. Those triple option teams can sneak up on you. I remember The Citadel vs Bama being close at half time

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Very true. Part of my reason for disinterest

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And exactly why I am glad you arent in charge of scheduling. Fear of losing is never a reason to avoid playing. Loser mentality.

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Then why don't we schedule Texas, Ohio State, Michigan, and Clemson every year for our OOC games?

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I would love this

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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levypantsEOY said:

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HarveyBirdman said:

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HarveyBirdman said:

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Am I the only one who is completely disinterested in playing the service academies?

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I think they would be more fun than FCS schools, but I would be concerned they would put us on upset alert. Those triple option teams can sneak up on you. I remember The Citadel vs Bama being close at half time

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Very true. Part of my reason for disinterest

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And exactly why I am glad you arent in charge of scheduling. Fear of losing is never a reason to avoid playing. Loser mentality.

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Then why don't we schedule Texas, Ohio State, Michigan, and Clemson every year for our OOC games?

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I would love this

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TxFig said:

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I've read all 9 pages of the drivel of 90% of the people on this board NOT wanting this game.

Screw all of you. I'm a 1987 grad (twice) and a 1994 masters. I want this game.

Playing the game solely because it is a rivalry is enough of a reason. By itself.

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Oh shut up. No one cares what you think boomer. Let's move on with our lives and play better opponents that don't financially rape everyone they are involved with.

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I've read all 9 pages of the drivel of 90% of the people on this board NOT wanting this game.

Screw all of you. I'm a 1987 grad (twice) and a 1994 masters. I want this game.

Playing the game solely because it is a rivalry is enough of a reason. By itself.

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finally someone is honest that the desire for this game is purely selfish.

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Thats a good one. So A&M is scared of the sips , meanwhile they play Alabama, LSU, Auburn, among others, and then just had a series with Clemson. But they're scared of the sips. Are you stupid or just plain ignorant . Which one. Cause you are definitely one or the other.

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I've read all 9 pages of the drivel of 90% of the people on this board NOT wanting this game.

Screw all of you. I'm a 1987 grad (twice) and a 1994 masters. I want this game.

Playing the game solely because it is a rivalry is enough of a reason. By itself.

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God it makes me sad to watch so many easily manipulated children who want to save sip from drowning even though they KNOW that sip would just step on our neck to finish the job if the roles were reversed all so they can talk trash to their BIL at Thanksgiving

I couldn't care less if we play the sips again. My sip friends however, really want to play A&M. Probably because AT BEST they get one good home game per season.

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I think they would be more fun than FCS schools, but I would be concerned they would put us on upset alert. Those triple option teams can sneak up on you. I remember The Citadel vs Bama being close at half time

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Very true. Part of my reason for disinterest

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And exactly why I am glad you arent in charge of scheduling. Fear of losing is never a reason to avoid playing. Loser mentality.

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Then why don't we schedule Texas, Ohio State, Michigan, and Clemson every year for our OOC games?

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I would love this

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that was good

1987 Grad just like the good Ag above needing to feel the excitement of crushing the school song's rival like being in the stands in 89,87,86,85.

Only people who never felt that pride are wanting to make this about money.

Even UTEP has done better in the 3 major sports since WW2 than we have, so aside from one and a half seasons with a generational player that still didn't lead to a championship, where is all the aggie pride coming from among those who are scared of payed-off refs, ESPN marketing, and recruiting wars based on new Ford pickup trucks?

Play the game and thank you CG.!

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1987 Grad just like the good Ag above needing to feel the excitement of crushing the school song's rival like being in the stands in 89,87,86,85.

Only people who never felt that pride are wanting to make this about money.

Even UTEP has done better in the 3 major sports since WW2 than we have, so aside from one and a half seasons with a generational player that still didn't lead to a championship, where is all the aggie pride coming from among those who are scared of payed-off refs, ESPN marketing, and recruiting wars based on new Ford pickup trucks?

Play the game and thank you CG.!

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Why do you want to save them?

Do you really think they'd allow the game back if all their predictions about our SEC move had come true and our fan base was falling apart and we desperately needed the game to return to relevancy?

Why do people want to rescue someone who would NEVER do the same for us just so they can **** talk their BIL