Some Aggies need/cherish the longhorns and some Aggies don't.

Reno Hightower said:

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Some Aggies need/cherish the longhorns and some Aggies don't.

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I cherish the Aggies. Everyone else is standing in the way of the goals of the football program and they deserve to be crushed for that.

nbaker2022 said:

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I see where he's coming from. It'd be fun to play them. But there also has to be some logic here. Playing texas would boost their strength of schedule, not ours.

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Not necessarily. If they had played us instead of LSU or instead of Alabama (who they play in an upcoming home and home), their strength of schedule would go down. If we played them instead of one of our 3 cupcakes, our strength of schedule would go up. Clemson was obviously better for our strength of schedule, but the others we have played since joining the SEC have not been. The only Power 5 team we have on our out of conference schedule for the next decade that is likely better for our strength of schedule is Notre Dame.

Neither team needs to play the game. They can schedule LSU, Alabama, and Ohio State (all on their upcoming schedules) and sell out. They don't need us. We obviously don't need them on our schedule. However, it WAS a great rivalry. We can build future rivals, but we will never build something like that.

TexAggie1999 said:

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nbaker2022 said:

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I see where he's coming from. It'd be fun to play them. But there also has to be some logic here. Playing texas would boost their strength of schedule, not ours.

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Not necessarily. If they had played us instead of LSU or instead of Alabama (who they play in an upcoming home and home), their strength of schedule would go down. If we played them instead of one of our 3 cupcakes, our strength of schedule would go up. Clemson was obviously better for our strength of schedule, but the others we have played since joining the SEC have not been. The only Power 5 team we have on our out of conference schedule for the next decade that is likely better for our strength of schedule is Notre Dame.

Neither team needs to play the game. They can schedule LSU, Alabama, and Ohio State (all on their upcoming schedules) and sell out. They don't need us. We obviously don't need them on our schedule. However, it WAS a great rivalry. We can build future rivals, but we will never build something like that.

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Voice of reason. Everything you said was 100% factual. Thank you.

Just remember: they offered us the same split on the Longhorn/Aggie network that we get from the PUF proceeds...

TexAggie1999 said:

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nbaker2022 said:

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I see where he's coming from. It'd be fun to play them. But there also has to be some logic here. Playing texas would boost their strength of schedule, not ours.

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Not necessarily. If they had played us instead of LSU or instead of Alabama (who they play in an upcoming home and home), their strength of schedule would go down. If we played them instead of one of our 3 cupcakes, our strength of schedule would go up. Clemson was obviously better for our strength of schedule, but the others we have played since joining the SEC have not been. The only Power 5 team we have on our out of conference schedule for the next decade that is likely better for our strength of schedule is Notre Dame.

Neither team needs to play the game. They can schedule LSU, Alabama, and Ohio State (all on their upcoming schedules) and sell out. They don't need us. We obviously don't need them on our schedule. However, it WAS a great rivalry. We can build future rivals, but we will never build something like that.

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Dumb. Since joining the SEC, this coming Fall will be the first season we haven't played a top ten Strength of Schedule. It's just asinine that you Schultz want to play a marquee OOC game, the sips, Bama, LSU, and Auburn every damn year.

Bonfire1996 said:

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TexAggie1999 said:

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nbaker2022 said:

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I see where he's coming from. It'd be fun to play them. But there also has to be some logic here. Playing texas would boost their strength of schedule, not ours.

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Not necessarily. If they had played us instead of LSU or instead of Alabama (who they play in an upcoming home and home), their strength of schedule would go down. If we played them instead of one of our 3 cupcakes, our strength of schedule would go up. Clemson was obviously better for our strength of schedule, but the others we have played since joining the SEC have not been. The only Power 5 team we have on our out of conference schedule for the next decade that is likely better for our strength of schedule is Notre Dame.

Neither team needs to play the game. They can schedule LSU, Alabama, and Ohio State (all on their upcoming schedules) and sell out. They don't need us. We obviously don't need them on our schedule. However, it WAS a great rivalry. We can build future rivals, but we will never build something like that.

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Dumb. Since joining the SEC, this coming Fall will be the first season we haven't played a top ten Strength of Schedule. It's just asinine that you Schultz want to play a marquee OOC game, the sips, Bama, LSU, and Auburn every damn year.

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Heck yeah I do, much better than play Southeastern Louisiana Marshland State Technical College

This debate boils down to those never-againers who hate to lose more than they love to win.

levypantsEOY said:

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This debate boils down to those never-againers who hate to lose more than they love to win.

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I definitely hate losing more than I love winning. Winners expect to win, so the high of winning doesn't equal the level of disappointment/pissed off when you lose.

Thats why I laugh when ppl who want to schedule the sips think that the "never againers" are coming from a place of being scared or having a loser mentality. I want to win. I want the Ags to win, and win big, on a national stage. If that happens against the sips, BRING IT ON! It would be the greatest playoff/ national championship game ever. But playing them for bragging rights doesn't do it for me any more.

They ended it. The thought we needed them to survive. We've proven them completely wrong. Let them die in the cesspool of their own creation.

We're about to go on a really fun ride under Jimbo

HarveyBirdman said:

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levypantsEOY said:

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This debate boils down to those never-againers who hate to lose more than they love to win.

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I definitely hate losing more than I love winning. Winners expect to win, so the high of winning doesn't equal the level of disappointment/pissed off when you lose.

Thats why I laugh when ppl who want to schedule the sips think that the "never againers" are coming from a place of being scared or having a loser mentality. I want to win. I want the Ags to win, and win big, on a national stage. If that happens against the sips, BRING IT ON! It would be the greatest playoff/ national championship game ever. But playing them for bragging rights doesn't do it for me any more.

They ended it. The thought we needed them to survive. We've proven them completely wrong. Let them die in the cesspool of their own creation.

We're about to go on a really fun ride under Jimbo

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What I don't understand is why y'all are under the impression that Sip is ever going to die??

Let's be real here, best-case scenario for A&M, the Big 12 implodes. What happens to Sip?

They go to the Big Ten with Oklahoma (win for Sip)
They go to the PAC-12 with OU, OKST, TT (win for Sip)
They somehow wind up in the SEC (huge win for Sip)

Or the most likely scenario: they go Independent and put together the best schedule in the history of College Football featuring the likes of Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, Notre Dame, USC, LSU, Florida while still holding on to games like Oklahoma, TX Tech, Baylor, TCU.

As much as I hate to say it, Sip willnever die this slow painful death that y'all imagine in your maroon-colored brains. Could I see A&M passing Sip in relevancy? Yes. Will Sip ever fall off the big stage? Absolutely not.

#Mke said:

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HarveyBirdman said:

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levypantsEOY said:

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This debate boils down to those never-againers who hate to lose more than they love to win.

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I definitely hate losing more than I love winning. Winners expect to win, so the high of winning doesn't equal the level of disappointment/pissed off when you lose.

Thats why I laugh when ppl who want to schedule the sips think that the "never againers" are coming from a place of being scared or having a loser mentality. I want to win. I want the Ags to win, and win big, on a national stage. If that happens against the sips, BRING IT ON! It would be the greatest playoff/ national championship game ever. But playing them for bragging rights doesn't do it for me any more.

They ended it. The thought we needed them to survive. We've proven them completely wrong. Let them die in the cesspool of their own creation.

We're about to go on a really fun ride under Jimbo

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What I don't understand is why y'all are under the impression that Sip is ever going to die??

Let's be real here, best-case scenario for A&M, the Big 12 implodes. What happens to Sip?

They go to the Big Ten with Oklahoma (win for Sip)
They go to the PAC-12 with OU, OKST, TT (win for Sip)
They somehow wind up in the SEC (huge win for Sip)

Or the most likely scenario: they go Independent and put together the best schedule in the history of College Football featuring the likes of Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, Notre Dame, USC, LSU while still holding on to games like Tech, Baylor, TCU.

As much as I hate to say it, Sip willnever die this slow painful death that y'all imagine in your maroon-colored brain. Could I see A&M passing Sip in relevancy? Yes. Will Sip ever fall off the big stage? Absolutely not.

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No one actually believes they will turn into SMU. But they could easily work themselves into a Nebraska. The glory days are gone but they stay relevant in name only. That is a death of a kind that they very well may end up in.

If the BDF crumbles, that won't boost them into prominence. It'll give them a huge travel problem. They'll still be in a lower tier conference than us. They will still have all the arrogance that leads to a poisoned conference at some point.

I hope they end up in the pac. It's a great place for them to be. And that slow "death" will continue.

"Letting them die" is really more a figure of speech. I dont honestly think tu or their football program will fall off the face of the earth, but I would love for them to fall on hard times a la Nebraska (as was mentioned above), Tennessee, Florida State, Miami, USC, hell I'd even add Michigan in there. No one is immune to mediocrity and the sips arrogant asses are 100% due for some karma.

I dont want to help them out one bit, and I think playing them is better for them than it is for us.

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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Losing to them certainly would be a detriment. We get beat up enough playing in the toughest division in college football. Adding another Power 5 matchup is a horrible, emotionally-driven idea devoid of logic.

We're trying to get to the playoffs. Teams aren't rewarded for playing an extra Power 5 team. Wanting to add a second Power 5 matchup, especially against a team that benefits way more than we do by playing the game, is pure selfishness and against our interests. It would wear down our players, resume the "little brother" complex that too many Aggies had for too many years, and (probably 50% of the time) result in an extra loss on the schedule that wasn't necessary.

Are we a better program than we were in the Big 12? Yes. Are we better than them right now? Probably. Do we need to risk an extra loss on our schedule to play a game that doesn't benefit us but does benefit them? Hell no.

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Losing to them is *supposed* to be a detriment. Just like beating them is *supposed* to be a bigger boost than beating Abilene Christian. It's how football works!! If we can't beat them on the field, we don't deserve the right act like we're the stronger program.

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So if we don't beat Incarnate Word on the field we can't act stronger? Logical path.

From my years of quarterbacking in the 70s and building this program from the ground up, I'll tell you what our guys would tell you. "Anytime, any place, no exceptions, no hesitation." But that would stand for anyone, not just Texas.

Texas owns this state until you take it away. You don't take it away by joining the SEC. Who the hell cares, unless you can WIN IT. Hell, I grew up in the SEC. They're a hellacious league.

But anyone who uses the "schedule" excuse or "our goals are different now" just wouldn't have the balls themselves to step on the field and slug it out with ALL COMERS every week. We played Power 5's in non-conference 100% of the time.

At least publicly, man up, and stop looking for excuses to weasel out of a game that the entire country wants. You make our players look bad when you shy away like this. It's not what they'd do, as is obvious from this original post. LSU sure enjoyed playing in Memorial Stadium. Try it, you might like it.

The goals are different now.

Period.

It's your generation that can't accept the change (and I'm no young man but younger than you).

There's also nothing you can do about it.

Reginald Cousins said:

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The goals are different now.

Period.

It's your generation that can't accept the change (and I'm no young man but younger than you).

There's also nothing you can do about it.

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This is 100% accurate.

From 1900-and-something, through 1994 the goal pyramid was as follows:

1a. Win Conference and pick cotton
1b. Beat the sips
2. There is no two

Depending on the strength of our team and how September and October went, goal 1a was often cast aside very easily.

Things are so very different now. I know it is hard for that generation to accept, just as it will be hard for me to accept the changes over the next 20 years. But it is what it is.

DavidWalker said:

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From my years of quarterbacking in the 70s and building this program from the ground up, I'll tell you what our guys would tell you. "Anytime, any place, no exceptions, no hesitation." But that would stand for anyone, not just Texas.

Texas owns this state until you take it away. You don't take it away by joining the SEC. Who the hell cares, unless you can WIN IT. Hell, I grew up in the SEC. They're a hellacious league.

But anyone who uses the "schedule" excuse or "our goals are different now" just wouldn't have the balls themselves to step on the field and slug it out with ALL COMERS every week. We played Power 5's in non-conference 100% of the time.

At least publicly, man up, and stop looking for excuses to weasel out of a game that the entire country wants. You make our players look bad when you shy away like this. It's not what they'd do, as is obvious from this original post. LSU sure enjoyed playing in Memorial Stadium. Try it, you might like it.

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I agree with you 100% David. But for some reason, the opinion of the Aggie players, former players, and the A&M student body have absolutely zero sway. All because a couple of rich "Never Again" Ags are so flippin' butthurt over events that occurred 10+ years ago.

Grow up and give the players & students the game they want!! It's COLLEGE FOOTBALL, some of these grown men take it way too damn seriously. I love the sport, & rivalries are the best part about it, as evident by the TV ratings. 7 of the top 9 most-watched regular-season games in 2019 were rivalries. I wonder why?

Do you have any clue what a national title would do for the program? I swear some of you would sign a contract prohibiting the Ags from playing in the natty for the next hundred years just to get this game back.

DavidWalker said:

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From my years of quarterbacking in the 70s and building this program from the ground up, I'll tell you what our guys would tell you. "Anytime, any place, no exceptions, no hesitation." But that would stand for anyone, not just Texas.

Texas owns this state until you take it away. You don't take it away by joining the SEC. Who the hell cares, unless you can WIN IT. Hell, I grew up in the SEC. They're a hellacious league.

But anyone who uses the "schedule" excuse or "our goals are different now" just wouldn't have the balls themselves to step on the field and slug it out with ALL COMERS every week. We played Power 5's in non-conference 100% of the time.

At least publicly, man up, and stop looking for excuses to weasel out of a game that the entire country wants. You make our players look bad when you shy away like this. It's not what they'd do, as is obvious from this original post. LSU sure enjoyed playing in Memorial Stadium. Try it, you might like it.

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Entire country? Not quite.

Reginald Cousins said:

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Do you have any clue what a national title would do for the program? I swear some of you would sign a contract prohibiting the Ags from playing in the natty for the next hundred years just to get this game back.

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Again,

Playing the Sips, while also playing in the SEC and pursuing a National Championship are not exclusive. We can play one of college football's premier rivalry games while also pursuing a Natty. It's possible!

Florida, Georgia, Clemson, and other programs do it frequently. They also play in National Championship games. They play their rivals, in addition to their tough conference schedule, win, and go play in the playoff. I am confident with where our program is going that we could do the same. Like most other people in the country, I think it's lame that we don't play our rival and exhibit our dominance on the field. Sick of the Cold War BS, and playing FCS schools instead of our freaking rival. It's boring. And apparently 89% of students feel the same way.

Give it up. You're not changing any minds. Deloss has to be dead, buried, dust and forgotten for any potential of a football series with them. **** Deloss and the sips. They're long back in our rear view mirror. Keep on groovin' on, movin' on.

Refer to the post above this.

Also, as long as that stadium is selling out they DGAF.

There's nothing I want worse than to win it all while still having not renewed the series.

Also, all those schools you named have very pedestrian rivals.

Reginald Cousins said:

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Also, all those schools you named have very pedestrian rivals.

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Florida State is not the Florida State of old, winning national titles and finishing in the top 5 for 14 straight years, however they are a better opponent than Kent State, Lamar, Texas State, Abilene Christian, Prairie View A&M, Sam Houston, UMass, Northwestern State

HTownAg said:

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Reginald Cousins said:

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Also, all those schools you named have very pedestrian rivals.

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Florida State is not the Florida State of old, winning national titles and finishing in the top 5 for 14 straight years, however they are a better opponent than Kent State, Lamar, Texas State, Abilene Christian, Prairie View A&M, Sam Houston, UMass, Northwestern State

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Again, they aren't better than Clemson, Notre Dame, etc. - Power 5 non-conference games that we do play. People that desperately want to play the sips again love to ignore the marquee OOC games we play instead.

Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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HTownAg said:

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Reginald Cousins said:

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Also, all those schools you named have very pedestrian rivals.

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Florida State is not the Florida State of old, winning national titles and finishing in the top 5 for 14 straight years, however they are a better opponent than Kent State, Lamar, Texas State, Abilene Christian, Prairie View A&M, Sam Houston, UMass, Northwestern State

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Again, they aren't better than Clemson, Notre Dame, etc. - Power 5 non-conference games that we do play. People that desperately want to play the sips again love to ignore the marquee OOC games we play instead.

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Az State and UCLA weren't exactly pushovers either. They were both top 20 teams when we played and beat them

HTownAg said:

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Reginald Cousins said:

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Also, all those schools you named have very pedestrian rivals.

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Florida State is not the Florida State of old, winning national titles and finishing in the top 5 for 14 straight years, however they are a better opponent than Kent State, Lamar, Texas State, Abilene Christian, Prairie View A&M, Sam Houston, UMass, Northwestern State

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You're right. Let's load up a 12 game power 5 schedule.

Don't be a dolt.

You're so dramatic. Calm down

Some of you have very good arguments. I just hate the sips and I don't want to associate with them ever again. Period. Not their Walmart t-shirt fans, students, exes, refs, water boys or anyone who likes the color puke orange. May they lose every game in every sport until the end of time.

TXAggie2011 said:

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You're so dramatic. Calm down

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That's what passionate looks like. Get there. This guy feels like if we had 4 P5 rivals we should cancel any patsy we play to maintain that.

Law Hall 69-72 said:

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Some of you have very good arguments. I just hate the sips and I don't want to associate with them ever again. Period. Not their Walmart t-shirt fans, students, exes, refs, water boys or anyone who likes the color puke orange. May they lose every game in every sport until the end of time.

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God bless you sir.

Respect Gilley's game, but he was not able to grow a beard when all this went down. If it was just about "the boys" playing football, no problem. But it's so much bigger than that and there is still ALOT of bad blood on the way t.u. handled themselves and behaved dishonorably during the whole ordeal.

Nope, no, not anytime soon.

Serious question/ hypothetical to the "never againers"-

In the bizarro chance that the sips somehow do make a comeback in the next year or two (make the playoffs/ continued with top 5 classes, etc.), would your views change? CFB is cyclical and as much as I would love to believe that tu will wither on the vine, there is still a possibility that they are able to reclimb the mountain (even with Hermensa).

In other words, would your attitude change on renewing the game if we continued with lackluster 8 win seasons and they somehow were in contention for a title every year? If not, curious for your rationale then.

levypantsEOY said:

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Serious question/ hypothetical to the "never againers"-

In the bizarro chance that the sips somehow do make a comeback in the next year or two (make the playoffs/ continued with top 5 classes, etc.), would your views change? CFB is cyclical and as much as I would love to believe that tu will wither on the vine, there is still a possibility that they are able to reclimb the mountain (even with Hermensa).

In other words, would your attitude change on renewing the game if we continued with lackluster 8 win seasons and they somehow were in contention for a title every year? If not, curious for your rationale then.

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No.

I don't care to associate with them, period, unless we met by chance.

Pretty simple rationale.