Why does playing them in a home and home make them a business partner? Again I go back to the boomer conspiracy theories that the big bad sips will somehow take advantage of us on the field and bribe the officials, pay ESPN to put a camera on our playbooks, pay off the clock supervisor, cast a level 10 spell of enchantment to beguile our quarterback into throwing picks, etc. etc. It's a pathetic notion with no relevancy in 2020.

Any pull or power they had has surely drifted away. The "never again" Ags are clutching at straws because- and this is the simple fact in all of this- they cant stand the thought of ever losing to the sips again. All this "but they lie, cheat, steal" crap means nothing if we beat them up and down the field.

Winning against the sips (and I know you "never agains" are so totally, 100%, completely, and without a doubt over them) is nothing but good for our program.

You think Jordan was afraid to play the Pistons because they were dirty?
No- he went out and dominated and the rest is history.

Because to play them again we would have to enter into an agreement with them. That would make them a business partner. If you don't know how they will screw us then it just means you won't see it coming.

Your NBA argumemt is stupid, they had no choice to play the NBA set the schedule.

This has nothing to do with fear of winning or losing and 100% to do with knowing the sips will screw us as much as they possibly can.

It would be like allowing a know pedophile to watch your children because you have a nanny cam.

Reno Hightower said:

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Wicked Good Ag said:

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Either play them or change the War Hymn

pick one

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I agree! Change the lyric, 'we're gonna beat you off to chiga-ruga-rum' to 't.u. can got to chiga-ruga-rum'.

Done

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"we're gonna beat you off..."




No thanks...

MilanoCowboy said:

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A&M will probably have a top 10 strength of schedule for the next 100 years. We don't need tu to do anything for us. F-em!

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We likely wont have a top 50 strength of schedule next year so...

Football is supposed to be fun to watch. 3 of our 4 non-conference games are not fun to watch.

Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, and Kentucky don't seem to have a problem playing their non-conference Big 5 rival every year and also playing one other marquee matchup. Mizzou just added KU to the schedule again.

Play the game.

Bonfire1996 said:

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#Mke said:

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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To those that want to play the game, do we:

a) make them the only non-conference power five team that we play, or

b) play two power five non-conference games on top of an SEC schedule?

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My ideal set up:

Bring Arkansas back to campus.

Home-and-home with rotating ACC/PAC/B10
Home-and-home with Texas.
2 Group of 5's.

That way we are guaranteed 4 SEC home games every year, 5 P5 home games every year.

Playing 3 cupcakes every season is lame. 2 is plenty.

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And this is why people in your position don't get to make decisions.

Your scenario just removed one home game, every other year, from Kyle Field. You think we built that puppy to not maximize revenue?

Your scenario just guaranteed a top 2 strength of schedule, every year. Think that is smart? Are you prepared to not be bowl eligible every year? You prepared not to attract the top coaching talent? You prepared for fan apathy?

Take 2019 and 2020 for us. We are getting hyped this Fall because we have a manageable schedule that should produce 9+ wins with ease. You prepared for that hype to disappear in your scenario?

It already takes quite a bit of injury luck to catch lightning in a bottle for a championship run. Ask Alabama and Tua. Now you want to make it that much harder? We played the toughest schedule in CFB history in 2019, and you want to make it harder?

You are selfish and you don't realize it would lead to average football over the long run.

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All I did is replace one G5 school with Texas and now you're acting like we're destined to go 5-7 every year. I thought Texas sucked? I thought Texas played in a weak conference? I thought y'all weren't scared? It's not like we aren't already mediocre every season. Plus you're forgetting that most Big 10, Big 12, and ACC schools play 10 Power 5 games every season. We would be doing the same thing. Big 10 & Big 12 play 9-conference games and one big non-conference game. Clemson played 8-conference games, plus A&M AND USCe. Georgia Tech & Florida State do the same thing. Give me a break!!! Do you have faith in Jimbo or not?!

Uncle Jimbo said:

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Football is supposed to be fun to watch. 3 of our 4 non-conference games are not fun to watch.

Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, and Kentucky don't seem to have a problem playing their non-conference Big 5 rival every year and also playing one other marquee matchup. Mizzou just added KU to the schedule again.

Play the game.

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Thank you, somebody on this website who isn't blinded by groupthink.

It's not group think to believe that anyone who willingly goes into business with sip is foolish. They will never be good partners and it will never be just a game. If it's just a game why is it being pushed so hard? Those us is who know sip are trying to warn you.

levypantsEOY said:

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MilanoCowboy said:

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A&M will probably have a top 10 strength of schedule for the next 100 years. We don't need tu to do anything for us. F-em!

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We likely wont have a top 50 strength of schedule next year so...

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Yeah, looks like it. But over the length of our membership in the SEC, I believe we will always have a tough schedule, in conference. I'd like to see a great out of conference matchup become standard, just not tu. I think when Colorado was added, they were doing rather well. I'd rather we get match ups with opponents in the areas we recruit. Gives those players an opportunity to see us close up and keeps us relevant nationally.

Uncle Jimbo said:

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Football is supposed to be fun to watch. 3 of our 4 non-conference games are not fun to watch.

Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, and Kentucky don't seem to have a problem playing their non-conference Big 5 rival every year and also playing one other marquee matchup. Mizzou just added KU to the schedule again.

Play the game.

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Untrue. Non-Conference games this year:

Florida:
Eastern Washington
South Alabama
New Mexico State
Florida State

South Carolina:
Coastal Carolina
East Carolina
Wofford
Clemson

Georgia:
Virginia
ETSU
ULM
Georgia Tech

Kentucky:
Eastern Michigan
Kent State
Eastern Illinois
Louisville

Only Georgia plays two Power 5 teams and they can do that because their rival, Georgia Tech, sucks. Playing Texas and another Power 5 school is suicide. Only playing Texas is boring as hell.

Bonfire1996 said:

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#Mke said:

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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To those that want to play the game, do we:

a) make them the only non-conference power five team that we play, or

b) play two power five non-conference games on top of an SEC schedule?

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My ideal set up:

Bring Arkansas back to campus.

Home-and-home with rotating ACC/PAC/B10
Home-and-home with Texas.
2 Group of 5's.

That way we are guaranteed 4 SEC home games every year, 5 P5 home games every year.

Playing 3 cupcakes every season is lame. 2 is plenty.

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And this is why people in your position don't get to make decisions.

Your scenario just removed one home game, every other year, from Kyle Field. You think we built that puppy to not maximize revenue?

Your scenario just guaranteed a top 2 strength of schedule, every year. Think that is smart? Are you prepared to not be bowl eligible every year? You prepared not to attract the top coaching talent? You prepared for fan apathy?

Take 2019 and 2020 for us. We are getting hyped this Fall because we have a manageable schedule that should produce 9+ wins with ease. You prepared for that hype to disappear in your scenario?

It already takes quite a bit of injury luck to catch lightning in a bottle for a championship run. Ask Alabama and Tua. Now you want to make it that much harder? We played the toughest schedule in CFB history in 2019, and you want to make it harder?

You are selfish and you don't realize it would lead to average football over the long run.

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Wrong, that setup allows for 7 home games every season (like we already have), all it does is replace a boring G5 game with a P5 game that will actually excite fans. That is it. That is all that changed.

levypantsEOY said:

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Why does playing them in a home and home make them a business partner? Again I go back to the boomer conspiracy theories that the big bad sips will somehow take advantage of us on the field and bribe the officials, pay ESPN to put a camera on our playbooks, pay off the clock supervisor, cast a level 10 spell of enchantment to beguile our quarterback into throwing picks, etc. etc. It's a pathetic notion with no relevancy in 2020.

Any pull or power they had has surely drifted away. The "never again" Ags are clutching at straws because- and this is the simple fact in all of this- they cant stand the thought of ever losing to the sips again. All this "but they lie, cheat, steal" crap means nothing if we beat them up and down the field.

Winning against the sips (and I know you "never agains" are so totally, 100%, completely, and without a doubt over them) is nothing but good for our program.

You think Jordan was afraid to play the Pistons because they were dirty?
No- he went out and dominated and the rest is history.

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Glad you know exactly what I think.

levypantsEOY said:

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Why does playing them in a home and home make them a business partner? Again I go back to the boomer conspiracy theories that the big bad sips will somehow take advantage of us on the field and bribe the officials, pay ESPN to put a camera on our playbooks, pay off the clock supervisor, cast a level 10 spell of enchantment to beguile our quarterback into throwing picks, etc. etc. It's a pathetic notion with no relevancy in 2020.

Any pull or power they had has surely drifted away. The "never again" Ags are clutching at straws because- and this is the simple fact in all of this- they cant stand the thought of ever losing to the sips again. All this "but they lie, cheat, steal" crap means nothing if we beat them up and down the field.

Winning against the sips (and I know you "never agains" are so totally, 100%, completely, and without a doubt over them) is nothing but good for our program.

You think Jordan was afraid to play the Pistons because they were dirty?
No- he went out and dominated and the rest is history.

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Hit the nail on the head!

As for playing t.u. in football. Bjork handled it well on Twitter. Arrogant Longhorn ADs mismanaged their program & partnerships going way back, & it continues now. The history with Arkansas, SMU, Houston, finally A&M, plus big D1 game potential squandered with Nebraska, Mizzou & Colorado are all hurting them badly now. OSU needs to reel in OU, give them a last chance to preserve The Bedlam Series, & get out too if t.u. won't learn, grow, & level the financial & recruiting playing fields. Old Aggie Maroon & White Bonfire tough love is now helping them understand the financial value of traditions & their long term partnerships, while letting them learn the hard way a bit like a regulation Fish does in the Fall. They're admitting to a struggle scheduling big D1 power opponents & to remaining relevant in this landscape of their creation. Maybe Bjork should tell 'em "We'll work you into the schedule down the road," tell them "it'll cost $10,000,000 now, & 75% of the TOP line revenue later on when we choose the date & provide y'all with the rest of the details surrounding the arrangement."

#Mke said:

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Wrong, that setup allows for 7 home games every season (like we already have), all it does is replace a boring G5 game with a P5 game that will actually excite fans. That is it. That is all that changed.

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Here's last year's schedule if you would have gotten your way:

vs. Texas
at #1 Clemson
vs. Lamar
vs. #8 Auburn
Arkansas
vs. #1 Alabama
at Ole Miss
vs. Mississippi State
vs. UTSA
vs. South Carolina
at #4 Georgai
at #1 LSU

This tells me that you care way more about playing the sips than giving the Ags a chance to win.

I have no problem renewing the rivalry, on one non-negotiable condition: They must grovel.

It's the only way to make amends for the contemptuous way they discarded the rivalry.

Jarrin' Jay said:

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Regardless of the #neveragain crowd (of which I am a member), the main argument against playing cow is that most fans would rather play other interesting non-con games. Right now we have on the sked or recently played UCLA, Clemson, Colorado, Miami, Louisville, Notre Dame, Arizona State.


Given our strength of conference schedule we are only going to play one marquee non-conference opponent, as just about every team does including cow.

Why would we want to play a team 90 miles away we have played 100+ times and give up playing teams like Clemson and Notre Dame home and away?

No thanks.

That is just the logical reason, the emotional and hate filled reasons are many and are good enough for me. F cow, let them continue to play a terrible home sked in a 2nd rate league that is mostly irrelevant. Meanwhile we will play in the SEC and on a weekly basis play huge games against teams cow is desperate to sign non-con series with to help their sked and gate. Who would pay good $ for season tickets when the home sked is Rice, UTSA, Kansas, tech, tcu, baylor, Iowa State. They need Bama, UGA, LSU, Ohio State to show up on occasion to give any type of credibility to their schedule.

We already offered to continue to play them every season and on T-day, they refused. We have moved on to bigger and better things and should not do anything to help them.

Any focus on our scheduling should be solely on getting the SEC to go to 9 conference games or a pod system, not anything to do with cow.

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This right here!!!!!!!
X infinity.

Cullen's boss, D Cal McNair, played football at tu so maybe that's who he's trying to satsfy.

FallsonbrazosAg91 said:

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Jarrin' Jay said:

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Regardless of the #neveragain crowd (of which I am a member), the main argument against playing cow is that most fans would rather play other interesting non-con games. Right now we have on the sked or recently played UCLA, Clemson, Colorado, Miami, Louisville, Notre Dame, Arizona State.


Given our strength of conference schedule we are only going to play one marquee non-conference opponent, as just about every team does including cow.

Why would we want to play a team 90 miles away we have played 100+ times and give up playing teams like Clemson and Notre Dame home and away?

No thanks.

That is just the logical reason, the emotional and hate filled reasons are many and are good enough for me. F cow, let them continue to play a terrible home sked in a 2nd rate league that is mostly irrelevant. Meanwhile we will play in the SEC and on a weekly basis play huge games against teams cow is desperate to sign non-con series with to help their sked and gate. Who would pay good $ for season tickets when the home sked is Rice, UTSA, Kansas, tech, tcu, baylor, Iowa State. They need Bama, UGA, LSU, Ohio State to show up on occasion to give any type of credibility to their schedule.

We already offered to continue to play them every season and on T-day, they refused. We have moved on to bigger and better things and should not do anything to help them.

Any focus on our scheduling should be solely on getting the SEC to go to 9 conference games or a pod system, not anything to do with cow.

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This right here!!!!!!!
X infinity.

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Great. How is anyone else supposed to get a word in edgewise, when you just multiplied this comment by infinity?

our schedule is already challenging enough as it is. Not sure that adding a non conference game against a potentially strong team every year would be beneficial towards A&Ms goal of winning a natty

#Mke said:

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Bonfire1996 said:

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#Mke said:

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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To those that want to play the game, do we:

a) make them the only non-conference power five team that we play, or

b) play two power five non-conference games on top of an SEC schedule?

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My ideal set up:

Bring Arkansas back to campus.

Home-and-home with rotating ACC/PAC/B10
Home-and-home with Texas.
2 Group of 5's.

That way we are guaranteed 4 SEC home games every year, 5 P5 home games every year.

Playing 3 cupcakes every season is lame. 2 is plenty.

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And this is why people in your position don't get to make decisions.

Your scenario just removed one home game, every other year, from Kyle Field. You think we built that puppy to not maximize revenue?

Your scenario just guaranteed a top 2 strength of schedule, every year. Think that is smart? Are you prepared to not be bowl eligible every year? You prepared not to attract the top coaching talent? You prepared for fan apathy?

Take 2019 and 2020 for us. We are getting hyped this Fall because we have a manageable schedule that should produce 9+ wins with ease. You prepared for that hype to disappear in your scenario?

It already takes quite a bit of injury luck to catch lightning in a bottle for a championship run. Ask Alabama and Tua. Now you want to make it that much harder? We played the toughest schedule in CFB history in 2019, and you want to make it harder?

You are selfish and you don't realize it would lead to average football over the long run.

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Wrong, that setup allows for 7 home games every season (like we already have), all it does is replace a boring G5 game with a P5 game that will actually excite fans. That is it. That is all that changed.

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You have no idea that we have 8 home games every other year, do you?

You really aren't smart enough to do this.

Uncle Jimbo said:

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Football is supposed to be fun to watch. 3 of our 4 non-conference games are not fun to watch

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Wait... tu was a fun game for you? Even when we won, I would be pissed off about lopsided calls and the excuses that friends/family would retreat to.

I'm much happier on Thanksgivings these years with exciting football ahead of me and miserable sips beside me.

The smug attitude that we could never beat out of them with a victory has finally been broken, and it feels GREAT.

As for playing t.u. in football. Bjork handled it well on Twitter. Arrogant Longhorn ADs mismanaged their program & partnerships going way back, & it continues now. The history with Arkansas, SMU, Houston, finally A&M, plus big D1 game potential squandered with Nebraska, Mizzou & Colorado are all hurting them badly now. OSU needs to reel in OU, give them a last chance to preserve The Bedlam Series, & get out too if t.u. won't learn, grow, & level the financial & recruiting playing fields. Old Aggie Maroon & White Bonfire tough love is now helping them understand the financial value of traditions & their long term partnerships, while letting them learn the hard way a bit like a regulation Fish does in the Fall. They're admitting to a struggle scheduling big D1 power opponents & to remaining relevant in this landscape of their creation. Maybe Bjork should tell 'em "We'll work you into the schedule down the road," tell them "it'll cost $10,000,000 now, & 75% of the TOP line revenue later on when we choose the date & provide y'all with the rest of the details surrounding the arrangement."

We should resume the Thanksgiving day game with the sips. A huge amount of history and tradition (perhaps unappreciated by the youngsters).

We would be able to improve that W-L record I strongly suspect.

I love how those pushing for this continually rely on informal fallacies to sell the game around those they disagree with. You can't neutralize those that oppose the game through any means other than raw political power. And doing that divides not unites.

You need to direct your arguments at reaching agreement. And if you think THAT is hard then try using raw power and watch what happens.

With that said: the series can't restart without a trial home and home. Focus on one of those and make it fair beyond complaint including money (shouldn't be any but a sponsorship with specific terms that rewards each equally) and stipulation of not being played home and home with the LHN/SECN as broadcasters unless it's simulcast on both.

I'm fairly confident we'll use SEC officiating crew at Kyle and Big12 crew their place. And equally confident that unless it stipulates no homer officials both sides will stoop to try and get an upper hand.

If any iterations are played those opposed to the game will feel sidelined and ignored and the ones who support getting it played will gloat. Terrible optics that can be utterly avoided by simply not scheduling it again...

Bonfire1996 said:

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#Mke said:

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Bonfire1996 said:

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#Mke said:

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Seersucker Ag 2011 said:

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To those that want to play the game, do we:

a) make them the only non-conference power five team that we play, or

b) play two power five non-conference games on top of an SEC schedule?

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My ideal set up:

Bring Arkansas back to campus.

Home-and-home with rotating ACC/PAC/B10
Home-and-home with Texas.
2 Group of 5's.

That way we are guaranteed 4 SEC home games every year, 5 P5 home games every year.

Playing 3 cupcakes every season is lame. 2 is plenty.

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And this is why people in your position don't get to make decisions.

Your scenario just removed one home game, every other year, from Kyle Field. You think we built that puppy to not maximize revenue?

Your scenario just guaranteed a top 2 strength of schedule, every year. Think that is smart? Are you prepared to not be bowl eligible every year? You prepared not to attract the top coaching talent? You prepared for fan apathy?

Take 2019 and 2020 for us. We are getting hyped this Fall because we have a manageable schedule that should produce 9+ wins with ease. You prepared for that hype to disappear in your scenario?

It already takes quite a bit of injury luck to catch lightning in a bottle for a championship run. Ask Alabama and Tua. Now you want to make it that much harder? We played the toughest schedule in CFB history in 2019, and you want to make it harder?

You are selfish and you don't realize it would lead to average football over the long run.

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Wrong, that setup allows for 7 home games every season (like we already have), all it does is replace a boring G5 game with a P5 game that will actually excite fans. That is it. That is all that changed.

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You have no idea that we have 8 home games every other year, do you?

You really aren't smart enough to do this.

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Again you're wrong. A&M hasn't had 8 home games since 2013. Prove me wrong.

I've seen several folks say the majority of Ags don't want this game. Every actual poll I've seen is to the contrary, often overwhelmingly so. If there is actual evidence the majority don't want this game then by all means don't have it. But it seems to me the average Ag DOES want the game. It's just that the minority a) is more vocal about their opinion and b) has more butt hurt cigars with real influence.

MaxPower said:

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I've seen several folks say the majority of Ags don't want this game. Every actual poll I've seen is to the contrary, often overwhelmingly so. If there is actual evidence the majority don't want this game then by all means don't have it. But it seems to me the average Ag DOES want the game. It's just that the minority a) is more vocal about their opinion and b) has more butt hurt cigars with real influence.

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This is true ^

Every poll I've seen generally ends up with over 80% of those who voted being in favor of the game, INCLUDING A&M's official poll of students last spring. The majority of those on TexAgs don't want it, the vast majority of those outside do according to the different polls I've seen.

OldShadeOfBlue said:

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Decay said:

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He never played against them so his opinion as a player has limited relevance.

And one of the big reasons it's being pushed is because the sips have a terrible schedule and want a sellout game.

Meanwhile we have plenty of big matchups every year.

We don't need the game on the schedule for the sake of ticket sales or financials.

When we were planning to leave the B12 they said we're not welcome on their schedule anymore and they tried multiple ways to block us.

A lot of us still remember that. 8 years down, 92 to go.

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Did you play against Texas as a player?

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The whole damn point of this thread was to bludgeon those of us who don't want to play them with "BUT 12TH MAN SAID WE SHOULD".

I was very polite and straightforward but I guess I didn't make it clear. I will clarify for those who think it's some gotcha that I (and 99.99% of Aggies) weren't on the field against the sips:

If a player wants the game to come back, he has to have played them for that opinion to matter AS A PLAYER. Was he on the field? Did he see the calls made? Did he deal with the media and the recruitniks who slobber all over the sips? No? Then I'll repeat myself: "his opinion as a player has limited relevance".

Some Aggies need the longhorns and some Aggies don't.