OU has basically 1 regular season game and all their games against cupcakes are on national tv. They are laughing their way to the playoffs, bank and national signing day. Strength of schedule, quality losses are way overrated.

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My give-a-**** level for this program dropped when we left for the SEC and replaced Sherman with Sumlin.

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Yet, you still find the time to trash "your" team on an internet site.

OP do you proudly display all your participation medals in the living room or the study?

The answer to that is pretty simple. Being in the SEC differentiates us from every other school in Texas.

Plus I'd much rather watch games against great teams than watch us play Baylor or Tech. When we were in the SWC, we used to have sparkling records then we would usually get humbled in a bowl game. That wasn't fun either.

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Better competition... iron sharpens iron or something like that
Equal revenue sharing
SEC Network
Cultural fit (might be the biggest reason)
No school has their own private ESPN network
More big games
More money
Every game is a big game

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All this and more. Our brand has grown immensely after the move. We made a splash when we first arrived, but it's a long road to build a competitive program year in and out.

And don't forget the other sports, particularly on the ladies side. Track and field, etc. The SEC offers much more than the Big XII

I actually like this question and I know the OP is getting pounded.

If we looked at it objectively there are two real benefits from playing in the SEC. And one, while important, is all in our own heads.

1-$$$. That is objective and quantifiable. I am in the minority with this opinion, but I really get such tired head of this argument. I really dont care about how many gold plated toilets we build. If we were in B10, SEC, or B12 we would be fine. IF we made $ 45M with SEC but only $ 39M with another conference, I don't care. The dick measuring fans have over money is quite stupid. I do understand the importance, but at the top 2-3 levels of the P5, it is all pretty much the same. However, more is indeed more so I do get that people care a lot about it. I just don't put a lot of stock in it in the relative terms of the top conferences.

2-getting away from the Austinites. OK, I also get it. We get an ego trip from it compared to always being their little brother. It is also my (Extreme) minority opinion to not care about this. I really enjoy playing them. And YES our home games are way way way better. But is losing to 3-4 SEC teams a year really better? We have 100k fans watch us get run in our building. And it happens pretty much 2-3 times per season.

ISU is a bad, not exciting team. I get it. So is KU, KSU, etc. But, the end result is what we should be after and that is winning conferences and (Dare I say) NC's. Our path is significantly more difficult in the SEC. And that is for a program like ours that historically never rises to the occasion.

To me, we are a Texas program. Not a southern program.

I'd be willing to forgo all the money and the presitge of playing in SEC to re-write history and play against our historic rivals. AND have a better path to conference and national championships.

Too late now. We would NEVER change and I get that.

But as years, losses, insignificance mounts, I feel stronger that our own inferiority complexes have led us to be buried in the middle of a better conference and prevent us from playing natural rivals and our history.

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The answer to that is pretty simple. Being in the SEC differentiates us from every other school in Texas.

Plus I'd much rather watch games against great teams than watch us play Baylor or Tech. When we were in the SWC, we used to have sparkling records then we would usually get humbled in a bowl game. That wasn't fun either.

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Agree with this. I also think it would have helped the program to have kept the tu series after leaving because there would have been a lot of Ag wins during that run and it would have helped the overall attitude of what is becoming an increasingly pathetic fanbase.

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Cy_Tolliver said:

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The answer to that is pretty simple. Being in the SEC differentiates us from every other school in Texas.

Plus I'd much rather watch games against great teams than watch us play Baylor or Tech. When we were in the SWC, we used to have sparkling records then we would usually get humbled in a bowl game. That wasn't fun either.

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Agree with this. I also think it would have helped the program to have kept the tu series after leaving because there would have been a lot of Ag wins during that run and it would have helped the overall attitude of what is becoming an increasingly pathetic fanbase.

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Honestly, a good middle ground would be to play in SEC but reinstate Thanksgiving vs our real rival.

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not a popular opinion
PAC 16 would have been a better move

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You are right that is not popular. Last place we'd want to be is the PAC whatever

The PAC whatever with The Ags, the whorns, & the land thieves is a totally different product than what the PAC is currently.

Pac12 would not be a fit. But staying in B12 might have been the right move.

Oh look, an entire thread of people without Ag Tags discussing views that no actual Aggie holds.

The deal in case you forgot was
tu,tceh,OU,OSU,Cu and the Ags, joining
Two 8 team divisions the AZ schools join the B12 joiners
9 conference games a year 7 from the division & 2 from the other side

Each year the Ags would host one west coast team and one AZ school The Ags would make one trip to the west coast and Az each year.

By taking 5 schools from TX & OK I think the "fit" issue would be relatively minor we would fit with the teams that made the move and most of the scheduling and interactions would be with those teams/universities

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Oh look, an entire thread of people without Ag Tags discussing views that no actual Aggie holds.

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Yep, I'd rather be 0-8 every year in the SEC than be another gimp in the Big Dumpster Fire Conference. Just pathetic posts all around. These same Ags will gripe about a 80% full stadium playing Lamar and Texas State, let alone baylor and Kansas.

In pre-playoff 2012 a hypothetically undefeated and Big12 champ A&M would have been in the BCS championship game over an undefeated SEC champ Alabama team and an undefeated Notre Dame team? There is no way on gods green earth that would've happened. A&M would've been left out in the cold at 3rd and if you don't believe that you don't know college football.

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Oh look, an entire thread of people without Ag Tags discussing views that no actual Aggie holds.

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Yep, I'd rather be 0-8 every year in the SEC than be another gimp in the Big Dumpster Fire Conference. Just pathetic posts all around. These same Ags will gripe about a 80% full stadium playing Lamar and Texas State, let alone baylor and Kansas.

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I think this is the opinion that drives me the most crazy. We are in the business of trying to win conference hardware and national hardware.

This opinion is is the "I'd rather be invited to cool frat party and sit with Sidney, Jugdish, and Flounder (Animal House reference)"

Look, we had a lot of excitement and bluster of the bold move. We followed it up with a good two seasons with one big time QB who ended up being an embarrassment. Since then, we have settled into the middle 4-6 of the conference.

I want to win. Hardware. Period. We aint close in this conference. Even with JFF, we technically finished 4th in the overall conference.

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The answer to that is pretty simple. Being in the SEC differentiates us from every other school in Texas.

Plus I'd much rather watch games against great teams than watch us play Baylor or Tech. When we were in the SWC, we used to have sparkling records then we would usually get humbled in a bowl game. That wasn't fun either.

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Agree with this. I also think it would have helped the program to have kept the tu series after leaving because there would have been a lot of Ag wins during that run and it would have helped the overall attitude of what is becoming an increasingly pathetic fanbase.

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Honestly, a good middle ground would be to play in SEC but reinstate Thanksgiving vs our real rival.

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This times 1000000.

But way too many guys who hide their obvious fear in reinstating the game behind the "we left them in the dust" argument.

Left them in the dust... for our amazing 7-5 seasons on repeat, creamed by better talent on a national scale.

Bring it back. The only thing that would make this season bearable would be a tu shellacking.

But what was flounders real name because at the opening frat mixer he was not flounder yet
Kudos for knowing Indian rushee's name

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But what was flounders real name because at the opening frat mixer he was not flounder yet
Kudos for knowing Indian rushee's name

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Kent Dorfman. More points if you can name is brothers name that made Flounder a legacy. BTW, the actor who played him is dead. RIP.

I saw the original in the theater I might have snuck into the theater not sure if I was old enough
used to own the vcr way back wgen have not watched it in decades the cleaned up version is not as great as the original

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I think this is the opinion that drives me the most crazy. We are in the business of trying to win conference hardware and national hardware.

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Then AAC all the way. Go for the low hanging fruit if fruit is all you're after.

Baseball seasons have been tremendous since we switched.

Even the media don't take the b12 seriously. I don't see how the b12 continues as they currently are. OU always gets the votes but fails on the field. They would suffer in the SEC exactly like we have as they find out they'll have to play defense and learn to run the ball because the SEC has big, fast defenders front and back.

I'm a little surprised how many people prefer an obviously inferior conference. B12, PacX ? I repeat, if all you want is Ws, play with Houston, SMU, and UCF. Be the Boise St. of the playoffs. "Us too! We're good! Look at our record!"

"Even the media don't take the b12 seriously. I don't see how the b12 continues as they currently are. OU always gets the votes but fails on the field. "

You realize that the second two sentences contradict the first one.

Getting fourth every year is more fun.

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Oh look, an entire thread of people without Ag Tags discussing views that no actual Aggie holds.

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Yep, I'd rather be 0-8 every year in the SEC than be another gimp in the Big Dumpster Fire Conference. Just pathetic posts all around. These same Ags will gripe about a 80% full stadium playing Lamar and Texas State, let alone baylor and Kansas.

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I think this is the opinion that drives me the most crazy. We are in the business of trying to win conference hardware and national hardware.

This opinion is is the "I'd rather be invited to cool frat party and sit with Sidney, Jugdish, and Flounder (Animal House reference)"

Look, we had a lot of excitement and bluster of the bold move. We followed it up with a good two seasons with one big time QB who ended up being an embarrassment. Since then, we have settled into the middle 4-6 of the conference.

I want to win. Hardware. Period. We aint close in this conference. Even with JFF, we technically finished 4th in the overall conference.

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You need to unplug my bro. You have ingested way too much of the over hype and marketing.

"Dollar bills, ya'll"

1. There are over 200 million reasons we are better off in the SEC! We have been ranked as the most valuable college sports program in the nation 2 years running. This NEVER would have happened in the dumpster fire (Big Xii). Before the move we were lucky to slot in around 16-20 and behind tu, OU and most of the SEC every year. This was not going to magically change for the better.

2. Got out of a conference dominated and controlled by tu with the grateful consent of OU and the little ***** schools too small to do anything about it!

3. We haven't gotten where we want to be but we are far better positioned for future success than ever before in all athletic competitions -- not just football.

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not a popular opinion
PAC 16 would have been a better move

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Not a popular opinion becauae it is the absolute wrong opinion.

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I miss playing Baylor, TT, and the-sips. Also miss playing ou.

Not afraid of the sec just not a good fit imho.

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Another a absolutely wrong opinion

SIAP but the the effects on recruiting by remaining in the B12 or moving to the PAC must also be considered. In the B12 our pitch was essentially "we're not sip or ou". Not very convincing IMO. What recruits would want to play games where their parents would have to travel to the West coast for conference games? Or what recruits would want that kind of travel themselves? SEC West opponents are within driving distance with the possible exclusion of the Alabama schools. The Texas media would still be focused on sip and the West Coast wouldn't cover us at all. We would be all but forgotten.

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not a popular opinion

PAC 16 would have been a better move

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I had forgotten all about the PAC. But that was a stupid idea unless you want to finish your games at 2:00 AM in front of dozens of apathetic fans.

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the pac 16 deal would have us playing one game a year in AZ , one game on the West coast,
They do play afternoon games in the Pac. Maybe one or two late games a year , who really cares when road games are when watching on TV.

The Cal fans i met at the Holiday bowl were nothing like the typical Cal-Berkely student/alum

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I lived in PAC,country for a while.

We are not a good fit with them, and,we,would get treated worse,than a red headed step,child. Our game times would absolutely suck and not sure that attendance and,excitement would be any better than Iowa State games.

You met one set of fans you liked - good,for you I suppose. But that is about the single dumbest argument for wanting to be in a conference that we have no commonalities with.

If you cant get fired up,for Ole Miss or even State - you are looking for a reason to not be excited about our games, plain and simple.

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BDF has ONE big game per year. SEC has a big game every weekend.

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I'm not sure why we want to play a big game every weekend. That's what's happening this year and the record is heading south. Would rather have some weak teams to beat up on.

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We do. And people comain about how un-exciting tbose games are.

Some people just go out of their way to find misery I guess.

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Basically ask yourself would you rather beat Baylor or lose to Alabama every year

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90% of the people we live and work with in TX went to BDF schools. When we won the games against Baylor and tech it was fun to rub it in their faces. Not a lot of people went to ole miss or Auburn. Plus more times than not we lose to them anyway. At least in the BDF and SWC we won a lot more than we lost.

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So you want to go back to a garbage conference with a garbage schedule so you can talk smack at work? Wow, nothing lime abject selfishness and not really having the ability to see the long term "what is best for Texas A&M athletics" - because muh trash talking!

Also, we werent winning more games in the BDF than we are now. And would still have a crappy coach of we were there with our annual 7.5 win schedule. Hope that helps.

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- made Bowtie Loftin popular
- we feel better losing to strangers than our real rivals

My give-a-**** level for this program dropped when we left for the SEC and replaced Sherman with Sumlin. Would have been better to man up and dominate the Big 12. Good chance we have our NC in 2012 if in the Big 12

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the bolded is the truth. Not sure if anyone will admit it.

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The bolded part is an opinion, and a stupid one at that. Doubt you have the cojones to admit it, what with your stockholm syndrome kicking in.

let's look at life in the BDF.

Sips have not won a conf - a sh*tty conference at that - in a decade or so. This year, they had two difference making games and they lost both.

For the rest of this year, they have nothing to gain. If they win out it will be "meh, they didn't beat anyone". If they lose another game it will be a terrible season and everyone will write them off.

Now consider us. We still have some big games left. Look at what USCe did yesterday. They have taken a poor season and turned it around overnight with a huge win. We can still do that.

How Saturday's college football results affected the playoff chase

1st 13 paragraphs were SEC related.

Next 4 paragraphs were B12 related. Three were about ou, one was about sip possibly playing some sort of spoiler role. No mention whatsoever of top 20 and undefeated baylor.

Last and only paragraph about the PAC: "Oregon is keeping the Pac-12's hopes alive."

Any questions?