another tradition is we have fired every coach we have ever had (except for the Bear and DX Bible as best I can find)
Eagle78 said:
WestAustinAg, you have an awful lot of faith in a guy who has never proven himself as a head coach for a Division I college football program. And remember, being a successful college football coach involves a different skill set than being a successful college football offensive coordinator. That's all I have to say.
Yes it did. But we are in the SEC, and much tougher league than the little 12. It is the league where the creme de la creme go to play -- the league of champions. For that reason, we need a low risk hire, i.e., a guy who has proven that he is successful as a head coach at the D1 level. We're too big a fish to sell ourselves short by settling on anything less. That is why I say, hey, put Chad into the mix if he wins at least 9 this season. If he cannot do that, his name should be removed from consideration IMHO.Bayside Tiger Ag said:Eagle78 said:
WestAustinAg, you have an awful lot of faith in a guy who has never proven himself as a head coach for a Division I college football program. And remember, being a successful college football coach involves a different skill set than being a successful college football offensive coordinator. That's all I have to say.
It worked okay for OU and Stoops.
TXAGBQ76 said:
another tradition is we have fired every coach we have ever had (except for the Bear and DX Bible as best I can find)
Eagle78 said:Yes it did. But we are in the SEC, and much tougher league than the little 12. It is the league where the creme de la creme go to play -- the league of champions. For that reason, we need a low risk hire, i.e., a guy who has proven that he is successful as a head coach at the D1 level. We're too big a fish to sell ourselves short by settling on anything less. That is why I say, hey, put Chad into the mix if he wins at least 9 this season. If he cannot do that, his name should be removed from consideration IMHO.Bayside Tiger Ag said:Eagle78 said:
WestAustinAg, you have an awful lot of faith in a guy who has never proven himself as a head coach for a Division I college football program. And remember, being a successful college football coach involves a different skill set than being a successful college football offensive coordinator. That's all I have to say.
It worked okay for OU and Stoops.
LonnieBob said:
I'm a coach who has had the chance to get to know Coach Morris and his staff these last couple years so I will throw in my 2 cents.
First off, they are the most hospitable staff in the state, if not the country when it comes to HS coaches. Coach Morris knows that when it comes to building a program, it starts with relationships with the HS coaches across the state. Plus, when I say hospitable, I mean pop in whenever you want as a coach to talk ball. I've sat in the OCs office several times to talk Xs and Os.
Coach Morris isn't just looking for a quick fix. A lot of people point to his first season (2-10) but he played a lot of freshmen knowing that he had to lay the foundation first, even if they took losses (some big) early on. The administration was very supportive of his plan. You could see it starting to pay off last season, falling just short of a bowl game.
Lastly, a lot of people (not everyone on here but a lot) don't know what all goes along with being a head coach, really at any level. Only about 5-10% of it is actual Xs and Os. I don't think many people realize it but there is a lot of excitement starting to be built about SMU football. It has been a long time since it has been that way.
Once again, just my 2 cents.
I hope Coach Sumlin is able to get the job done. As a coach, I'm not going to call for another Coach to get fired. Just wanted to say my part for those bashing on Coach Morris.
DrZ said:
The most overrated aspect of head coaching is this idea of former ties to Texas high schools.
The greatest recruiters in the history of the state of Texas post Royal were Jackie, Mack Brown, Switzer and Stoops none which had these ties.
Who had ties - Briles, every high school coach that knew him hated him. It didn't seem to bother his recruiting.
Spike Dykes-okay is that what we want a good old well liked guy.
We are trying to recruit the stars. Their high school coach has little to no impact on where these guys go. Maybe with the 2-3 star guy, maybe.
Being a former Texas high school coach doesn't hurt you but it doesn't really help with the top guys either.
Perhaps, but let's face it. Look at Clemson. Look at how they have performed after Morris left. His departure sure did not hurt Clemson. Further, doesn't Clemson's ascendancy to the top of the college football world after Morris' departure beg the question: how much of Clemson's success while he was there was on account of Chad Morris vs. how much of it had to do with Dabo Swinney?Bunk Moreland said:Eagle78 said:Yes it did. But we are in the SEC, and much tougher league than the little 12. It is the league where the creme de la creme go to play -- the league of champions. For that reason, we need a low risk hire, i.e., a guy who has proven that he is successful as a head coach at the D1 level. We're too big a fish to sell ourselves short by settling on anything less. That is why I say, hey, put Chad into the mix if he wins at least 9 this season. If he cannot do that, his name should be removed from consideration IMHO.Bayside Tiger Ag said:Eagle78 said:
WestAustinAg, you have an awful lot of faith in a guy who has never proven himself as a head coach for a Division I college football program. And remember, being a successful college football coach involves a different skill set than being a successful college football offensive coordinator. That's all I have to say.
It worked okay for OU and Stoops.
Not saying, just saying.... The big 12 was pretty legit in the years heading into the season Stoops was hired.
Eagle78 said:Perhaps, but let's face it. Look at Clemson. Look at how they have performed after Morris left. His departure sure did not hurt Clemson. Further, doesn't Clemson's ascendancy to the top of the college football world after Morris' departure beg the question: how much of Clemson's success while he was there was on account of Chad Morris vs. how much of it had to do with Dabo Swinney?Bunk Moreland said:Eagle78 said:Yes it did. But we are in the SEC, and much tougher league than the little 12. It is the league where the creme de la creme go to play -- the league of champions. For that reason, we need a low risk hire, i.e., a guy who has proven that he is successful as a head coach at the D1 level. We're too big a fish to sell ourselves short by settling on anything less. That is why I say, hey, put Chad into the mix if he wins at least 9 this season. If he cannot do that, his name should be removed from consideration IMHO.Bayside Tiger Ag said:Eagle78 said:
WestAustinAg, you have an awful lot of faith in a guy who has never proven himself as a head coach for a Division I college football program. And remember, being a successful college football coach involves a different skill set than being a successful college football offensive coordinator. That's all I have to say.
It worked okay for OU and Stoops.
Not saying, just saying.... The big 12 was pretty legit in the years heading into the season Stoops was hired.
Thanks for your insightful post LonnieBob. I'm curious if you would post your impressions regarding Sumlin and his staff and their relationships with the high school coaching community etc.LonnieBob said:
I'm a coach who has had the chance to get to know Coach Morris and his staff these last couple years so I will throw in my 2 cents.
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Just wanted to say my part for those bashing on Coach Morris.
Look, shouldn't we play the odds? I mean, there are exceptions to most situations. But really, how many coordinators stepped right into a Power 5 job and had things work out for them? Wouldn't we be better off playing the odds and go with successful head coach from a lesser D1 school? As I said earlier, being a head coach involves a different skill set from coordinating.Bunk Moreland said:Eagle78 said:Perhaps, but let's face it. Look at Clemson. Look at how they have performed after Morris left. His departure sure did not hurt Clemson. Further, doesn't Clemson's ascendancy to the top of the college football world after Morris' departure beg the question: how much of Clemson's success while he was there was on account of Chad Morris vs. how much of it had to do with Dabo Swinney?Bunk Moreland said:Eagle78 said:Yes it did. But we are in the SEC, and much tougher league than the little 12. It is the league where the creme de la creme go to play -- the league of champions. For that reason, we need a low risk hire, i.e., a guy who has proven that he is successful as a head coach at the D1 level. We're too big a fish to sell ourselves short by settling on anything less. That is why I say, hey, put Chad into the mix if he wins at least 9 this season. If he cannot do that, his name should be removed from consideration IMHOBayside Tiger Ag said:Eagle78 said:
WestAustinAg, you have an awful lot of faith in a guy who has never proven himself as a head coach for a Division I college football program. And remember, being a successful college football coach involves a different skill set than being a successful college football offensive coordinator. That's all I have to say.
It worked okay for OU and Stoops.
Not saying, just saying.... The big 12 was pretty legit in the years heading into the season Stoops was hired.
I don't disagree with your point. Don't deviate or read too much into my post. My only point was that Stoops walked into a buzzsaw of a conference too and came up diamonds. So that portion of your argument didn't fly.
jpd301 said:Thanks for your insightful post LonnieBob. I'm curious if you would post your impressions regarding Sumlin and his staff and their relationships with the high school coaching community etc.LonnieBob said:
I'm a coach who has had the chance to get to know Coach Morris and his staff these last couple years so I will throw in my 2 cents.
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Just wanted to say my part for those bashing on Coach Morris.
Eagle78 said:Perhaps, but let's face it. Look at Clemson. Look at how they have performed after Morris left. His departure sure did not hurt Clemson. Further, doesn't Clemson's ascendancy to the top of the college football world after Morris' departure beg the question: how much of Clemson's success while he was there was on account of Chad Morris vs. how much of it had to do with Dabo Swinney?Bunk Moreland said:Eagle78 said:Yes it did. But we are in the SEC, and much tougher league than the little 12. It is the league where the creme de la creme go to play -- the league of champions. For that reason, we need a low risk hire, i.e., a guy who has proven that he is successful as a head coach at the D1 level. We're too big a fish to sell ourselves short by settling on anything less. That is why I say, hey, put Chad into the mix if he wins at least 9 this season. If he cannot do that, his name should be removed from consideration IMHO.Bayside Tiger Ag said:Eagle78 said:
WestAustinAg, you have an awful lot of faith in a guy who has never proven himself as a head coach for a Division I college football program. And remember, being a successful college football coach involves a different skill set than being a successful college football offensive coordinator. That's all I have to say.
It worked okay for OU and Stoops.
Not saying, just saying.... The big 12 was pretty legit in the years heading into the season Stoops was hired.
So you're saying it was 100% Chad Morris and zero percent Dabo Swinney?Bayside Tiger Ag said:Eagle78 said:Perhaps, but let's face it. Look at Clemson. Look at how they have performed after Morris left. His departure sure did not hurt Clemson. Further, doesn't Clemson's ascendancy to the top of the college football world after Morris' departure beg the question: how much of Clemson's success while he was there was on account of Chad Morris vs. how much of it had to do with Dabo Swinney?Bunk Moreland said:Eagle78 said:Yes it did. But we are in the SEC, and much tougher league than the little 12. It is the league where the creme de la creme go to play -- the league of champions. For that reason, we need a low risk hire, i.e., a guy who has proven that he is successful as a head coach at the D1 level. We're too big a fish to sell ourselves short by settling on anything less. That is why I say, hey, put Chad into the mix if he wins at least 9 this season. If he cannot do that, his name should be removed from consideration IMHO.Bayside Tiger Ag said:Eagle78 said:
WestAustinAg, you have an awful lot of faith in a guy who has never proven himself as a head coach for a Division I college football program. And remember, being a successful college football coach involves a different skill set than being a successful college football offensive coordinator. That's all I have to say.
It worked okay for OU and Stoops.
Not saying, just saying.... The big 12 was pretty legit in the years heading into the season Stoops was hired.
Morris pretty much built their offense from the ground up and trained the guys running it now. He built the car and handed someone else the keys.
Texas Tau Ag17 said:
Oh next coach needs to be born in Ohio. It's the common denominator for cfb coaching greats
Maryland plays tu the first game of the season in September. If Maryland prevails, especially if it kicks tu's butt, expect Durkin to move to the tippy top of our list of possible replacements should Summy falter next year. I really like the guy because he is a defensive savant. What we know about football is this: defenses win championships. It has always been that way and always will be that way.74Ag1 said:Texas Tau Ag17 said:
Oh next coach needs to be born in Ohio. It's the common denominator for cfb coaching greats
DJ Durkin (Youngstown, OH)
Coached under Myer and Harbaugh
Eagle78 said:So you're saying it was 100% Chad Morris and zero percent Dabo Swinney?Bayside Tiger Ag said:Eagle78 said:Perhaps, but let's face it. Look at Clemson. Look at how they have performed after Morris left. His departure sure did not hurt Clemson. Further, doesn't Clemson's ascendancy to the top of the college football world after Morris' departure beg the question: how much of Clemson's success while he was there was on account of Chad Morris vs. how much of it had to do with Dabo Swinney?Bunk Moreland said:Eagle78 said:Yes it did. But we are in the SEC, and much tougher league than the little 12. It is the league where the creme de la creme go to play -- the league of champions. For that reason, we need a low risk hire, i.e., a guy who has proven that he is successful as a head coach at the D1 level. We're too big a fish to sell ourselves short by settling on anything less. That is why I say, hey, put Chad into the mix if he wins at least 9 this season. If he cannot do that, his name should be removed from consideration IMHO.Bayside Tiger Ag said:Eagle78 said:
WestAustinAg, you have an awful lot of faith in a guy who has never proven himself as a head coach for a Division I college football program. And remember, being a successful college football coach involves a different skill set than being a successful college football offensive coordinator. That's all I have to say.
It worked okay for OU and Stoops.
Not saying, just saying.... The big 12 was pretty legit in the years heading into the season Stoops was hired.
Morris pretty much built their offense from the ground up and trained the guys running it now. He built the car and handed someone else the keys.
Maroon Dawn said:
Odds are fantastic this is Sumlins last year (6-6 won't cut it)
But man, I hope we can do better than CM
Tired of our "national searches" meaning "which D2 Texas programs coach is a friend of the Houston or Dallas BMAs??
That's our #1 biggest issue right there
Aggiesincebirth said:
Yes Durkin took a 3-9 team and turned them into a 6-7 team. He did get kicked all over the field by some big name schools so I think he is probably at least 2 years away from being ready for a big time coaching gig. If he can win 9 games he will start getting some good looks.
I think most people on here agree that if CM wins 9 games at SMU this year then he is worthy of a look depending on how we do. Even if we end up hiring him I would like to have a National search for the first time since Fran before we stay in state since we always seem to try to stay local.
DSAg44 said:
if durkin beats texas to start the season, this place will be all over him.