yeah everything is neat and cool in utopia.


somebody (anybody) tell me the incentive for SEC to go to 16 teams......i'll wait......<crickets>


there are not 2 teams anywhere (that are really available and want to move) that bring enough to the table as far as revenue. period. not in the current model. until something changes this is a non starter.

I think OU believes the 2010 conversation--when most OU fans and probably many A&M fans viewed as a package deal that required OU and viewed A&M as a positive upper for the SEC--is still active as an open opportunity. But several things happened:

1. Both Oklahoma and A&M chose not to follow through on those conversations. OU got blindsided when Dodds pulled out of the relationship with the Pac presumably because they weren't going to be allowed to launch the LHN as a Pac regional equivalent (though not conference owned and not in the two-schools per regional structure). A&M cooled on the move to the Pac (imagine corps trips at Berkeley, Palo Alto, or Seattle...) and that gave Beebe, ESPN, Fox, and Dodds the opportunity to re-negotiate the media rights and make the promise of $20 million each to Texas, OU, and A&M on behalf of the other seven.

2. OU courted the Pac with OkStU in 2011 and was informed that without Texas in the package the Pac wasn't interested.

3. The OU/Texas rivalry got "promoted" from OTA broadcast to FS1 when ESPN chose not to select it this fall.

I think ignoring the TV financials OU is a very good all-around sports school very similar to Alabama. And they have a gymnastics program for women like the majority of the SEC schools. But I'm not sure whether there is a motivating reason for expansion right now unless it clearly strengthens national, in-footprint viewership or moves out of footprint rates higher. I doubt the latter and the former seems limited to in-Oklahoma viewers...

Something will happen when Bevo's Harem breaks up in 20something, but until then I don't see any movement in the 4 remaining conferences. It will be interesting who lands where. My guess- OU/OSU and KU to Big 10, NUT independent or swallows their ego and drops the bongwh*%re network for entrance to the Pac 12 and the rest are left to fend for themselves- TT might get to ride in the trunk with the sips if they promise to swallow the whole way there.

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I think this would be a really good thing...



SEC West
1) A&M
2) OU
3) KU
4) MU
5) ARK
6) LSU
7) Miss
8) Miss St

SEC East
1) Bama
2) Auburn
3) UK
4) Vandy
5) UT
6) GA
7) SCar
8) UF

It may not make short term money sense, but it might make LONG term money sense as it will facilitate the death of the Big 12.

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There will never be a world where Bama and LSU don't play each other every year.

Or a world where KU football sniffs the SEC. Hoops is not a big enough revenue generator to offset that.

i.e., this is a ridiculous hypothetical.

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1) Bama and LSU would be every year cross-division rivals as Bama would then be in the same division with their current cross-division rival. Come on man, think.

2) The SEC could use a boost in basketball and another patsy in football. Also KU is an AAU school. Also it is a geographically connected state. It actually fits the criteria just laid out by the SEC commissioner himself.

3) The redoing of the division lines would make a ton of sense both competitive wise and also geographically with travel and such.

I am in no way suggesting it would happen, but the idea is far from "ridiculous."

Regarding the cross division rivalry, even with a 9-game conference schedule, it's not likely they'd be able to keep them.

Otherwise you're playing the other 7 teams on a very long rotation.

Even the Big Ten will only have 1 yearly cross divisional game.
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OU and OkSt won't ever be split, and if the SEC is gonna take on two more teams, it won't be those two due to the lack of $$ sense and lack of added eyeballs.

And the state of Kansas certainly doesn't bring enough eyeballs to add tv revenue.

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That would be awesome but agree they are handcuffed to OSU. I think they would rather be in SEC anyways. They have to look ahead as they are riding a sinking ship now.

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Reality: OU ain't coming to the SEC.

In defense of the poster above with the map, adding KU and OU basketball to the SEC would make the SEC a powerhouse in all three major sports, every year, without question. Maybe not something that would necessarily pay off monetarily, but interesting anyhow.

And beyond the money having yet another power team like OU in football raises the bar competitively for everyone in the conference.

I don't really understand why people on Texags feel like they have to focus 100% on the negative aspects of something like this.

Virginia and North Carolina...

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Virginia and North Carolina...

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Sure that makes sense in a vacuum....BUT there is a whole landscape of college football to consider. Is it possible to grab those schools with the new ACC deal? Likely not.

So why not poach the Big12 and destroy the Big12 in the process and eliminate some competition from the field? If you destroy the Big12 then suddenly UH, Baylor, TCU, and TT no longer annoyingly steal as many significant recruits from A&M. There is a big draw to play in the Big12 by players whether we like it or not...easier path to a conference title and possibly even the playoff (and easier on their bodies in the process). Destroy the Big12 and have a Power4 and things are better for the SEC and A&M in the long term.

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There is nothing interesting about OU in the SEC.

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To the casual observer. To the rabid CFB fan that doesn't have ties to OU or A&M, or maybe Ark and LSU, it would probably be very interesting. A&M would probably have the biggest competition and most to lose of anyone.

Virginia or VT and UNC don't seem to be available in the slightest, but I agree with others that this scenario is what the SEC covets.

One could argue that the SEC waited 25 years for A&M. What makes us think they will not wait 25 years again until the time is right?

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In defense of the poster above with the map, adding KU and OU basketball to the SEC would make the SEC a powerhouse in all three major sports, every year, without question. Maybe not something that would necessarily pay off monetarily, but interesting anyhow.

And beyond the money having yet another power team like OU in football raises the bar competitively for everyone in the conference.

I don't really understand why people on Texags feel like they have to focus 100% on the negative aspects of something like this.

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it's because most folks on texags have a vested interest in keeping advantages over former rivals. if oklahoma comes to the SEC, they then gain the recruiting advantage of having good commits that say things like "i wanted to play in the SEC but still be close to home", like a&m has had the last few years.

why strengthen your enemy if you have a choice??