quote:

---

I find it belittling and disrespectful to people who have actually died in combat to bestow this on a dog, even if you really really like that dog.

---

wow. Thank you for your Input Ragnar.

maybe they shouldn't do a 21 gun salute at silver taps either. or Muster.

...maybe

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
That sucks terribly, I hate that they are liberalizing everything.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



da fuq?

you sure have become an ornery one over the years on texags! 20K in 3 years..

Progressivism is a disease...

Rev is, and has been university PR. Her likeness trademarks alone generates a significant revenue to the university, if nothing else. Far more than most individuals donate, FWIW.

But Rev is regularly attending university events and social events as a "representative" of the university and does good PR work, even if it is kids and old ladies. She doesn't just sit around all year in dorm 7 or wherever E2 is. I'm not saying she's a bomb sniffing dog or anything, but she does provide a serivce to the university and the corps regarding public relations.

yes, Im the one arguing dogs are as important as people and other ridiculousness. Youre a walking aggie joke.

quote:

---

Wow. The new army stupid is deep in this thread.

---

This.

The notion that a 21-gun salute, military style funeral is inappropriate is stupid. Did A&M drag actively serving military personnel out to perform this service? Where is the law that the "honor" of a military style funeral is reserved for the military only? The only "reservation" is that the military won't participate if the deceased is not a prior service member. It's kind of self-policing in that manner.

Military funerals are provided for former service members with non-combat careers and short service terms. Being the typist for a general is not exactly the same as a front-line serving grunt with his life on the line every day, so let's not act like this is some kind of thing that signifies that Audie Murphy Jr. has just passed away. It is a service and honor offered to former military members by the military in order to recognize their service. That's it. It doesn't signify combat death, or even combat service. Just that the deceased served in the military for some period of time and in some capacity and is now room temperature.

The funeral and military style burial service for the Revs is a ceremony offered by A&M and performed by the Corps of Cadets (not generally active duty military folks) to honor a former mascot's service to the University. It has precisely dick to do with the actual military, other than it being in the style of the military.

The police, firefighers, Coast Guard and probably the Merchant Marines all do this as well. Does this insult the military as well? If some schmuck that didn't serve in the military wanted to hire a bugler and 7 guys with guns (and blanks) to do their thing over his flag-draped coffin at his funeral because he by damn loved America he could do so. And it would not be an "insult" to the military. The military would not participate, but they couldn't stop it either.

It is interesting that the Commandant has an opinion regarding this. His opinion should be noted and then Loftin needs to tell him to STFU and have the service in the traditional fashion.

Those of you that are comlaining that "this is why people make fun of us" need to butch up. If it wasn't this it would be something else. In addition, unique and slightly off things like this in our traditions are what make A&M unique. If you don't want to partake in these traditions because you worry about what your friends or co-workers will say to you at cocktail parties or at the water cooler, that is your right. But you don't have the right to ruin it for everyone else because you are embarrassed. Stay home, read a book, look at pron or whatever it is you do in your life that will keep you from being embarrassed by what other students and alums think of aggies. But leave the traditions alone.

There are just some people out there that have to be bitter, negative and contrarian. That's all I can figure.

Rag, was that directed at me? I'm at least sympathetic to your argument regarding using the same ceremony used for military persons.

I will stand by my view that while human life should be respected, that there are individual humans who are simply net less than worthless, like terrorists and serial killers and mass murdering dictators and those people should be regarded as if they didn't exist at all, and they're not worth the dirt they get buried under. That being said, because they are human beings, they're still to be regarded with a degree of humanity if only simply to preserve the necessary cultural standard that human life is special for the rest of us.

[This message has been edited by MouthBQ98 (edited 8/28/2013 10:50a).]

quote:

---

It is a service and honor offered to former military members by the military in order to recognize their service. That's it. It doesn't signify combat death, or even combat service. Just that the deceased served in the military for some period of time and in some capacity and is now room temperature.

---

Reveille did not serve.

quote:

---

The funeral and military style burial service for the Revs is a ceremony offered by A&M and performed by the Corps of Cadets (not generally active duty military folks) to honor a former mascot's service to the University. It has precisely dick to do with the actual military, other than it being in the style of the military.

---

Which can be done through any type of service. The tradition to honor the death of a veteran or service member with Taps and a 21 gun salute is far older than honoring our mascot with those same honors.

quote:

---

The police, firefighers, Coast Guard and probably the Merchant Marines all do this as well.

---

Usually only if they die in the line of duty.

quote:

---

Does this insult the military as well? If some schmuck that didn't serve in the military wanted to hire a bugler and 7 guys with guns (and blanks) to do their thing over his flag-draped coffin at his funeral because he by damn loved America he could do so. And it would not be an "insult" to the military. The military would not participate, but they couldn't stop it either.

---

I could also buy and wear a silver star around the office but that doesn't mean I should.

quote:

---

It is interesting that the Commandant has an opinion regarding this. His opinion should be noted and then Loftin needs to tell him to STFU and have the service in the traditional fashion.

---

You over value this "tradition" if you think the President should weigh in on this.


[This message has been edited by Federale01 (edited 8/28/2013 10:56a).]

Trashy people that would spit in anyone's face.

quote:

---

Rag, was that directed at me?

---

no sir, you can disagree without being a dick on the internet. Many cant

It's a freaking dog. Flame away looser morans.

Many of us feel the same about others' precious little snowflakes.




Did this Rev bite people? If so, no funeral.

Some of you need to read this :

http://sites.middlebury.edu/individualandthesociety/files/2010/09/jackson_lottery.pdf

I guess the tradition of Silver Crapper is demeaning to dead soldiers too?

Silver Crapper?

quote:

---

Reveille did not serve.

---

Correct. And because of this the military will not be honoring her. The university, the Corps of Cadets and the student body/former students will be honoring her.

A 21-gun salute and a flag draped coffin are not reserved for the military. Never have been. The university did this for the original rev in the middle/heigth of WW2, when thousands of actual military personnel were dying daily. That was fine, but now it's too sensitive and reserved for only the actual military?

quote:

---

The funeral and military style burial service for the Revs is a ceremony offered by A&M and performed by the Corps of Cadets (not generally active duty military folks) to honor a former mascot's service to the University. It has precisely dick to do with the actual military, other than it being in the style of the military.

The police, firefighers, Coast Guard and probably the Merchant Marines all do this as well. Does this insult the military as well? If some schmuck that didn't serve in the military wanted to hire a bugler and 7 guys with guns (and blanks) to do their thing over his flag-draped coffin at his funeral because he by damn loved America he could do so. And it would not be an "insult" to the military. The military would not participate, but they couldn't stop it either.

---

+1 Pagerman

quote:

---

Progressivism is a disease...

---

again, da fuq?

so is stupidity. reminds me of the Abilene Paradox. look it up.

My aunt, June Brown Leap (born in 1922) worked on campus during the war in the Ag and Genetics Departments and was very well-known on campus. (Her oldest brother was Paul A. Brown '28, who was a Marine captain captured on Corregidor and who died in a Jap POW camp in 1945). She published a number of poems in The Battalion and in The Cadence, a book of campusology issued to all students. Much later, she wrote this poem about the original Rev, whom she knew:

Old Rev
(Mascot, Texas Aggies, 1931-1944)
©June Brown Leap


Rev, . . .
Rev, . . .
Reveille!

Where are you, old dog?
Seasoned gridiron-halfer!
Court jester at yell practices!
Circler of bonfires!

Come on, Rev,
I know you’re here somewhere . . .
Has the time been so long?

I remember when you used
To cut in and out among the Aggies
When the big T was being formed
Like a cow dog at roundup time;
Nights when you watched
From the corner of the room
With your head on your paws . . .
Always a sympathetic listener
During bull sessions.

Rev, . . .
Rev, . . .
Reveille!

You’re under a tree somewhere,
You lazy, fat dog!
Just waiting with slit-eyes
For someone to give you a pat.

Old dog, if you’ll come,
I’ll help you up on my bench
And put your head on my lap.
I’ll rub behind your ears
And hum The Songs
And chant The Yells
For you:

“1! 2! 3!
Rah! Rah! Rah1
Is my hat on straight?
Lend me your powder rag
Sweet cherry phosphate!” . . .

Rev, . . .
Rev, . . .
Reveille!





[This message has been edited by OldArmy71 (edited 8/28/2013 11:12a).]

I had to look up the Silver Crapper bit. The Corp once again . . .well, you figure it out. More ammo for those alleging a homo-erotic nature to the organization.

http://www.aggienetwork.com/post/133395/silver-crapper-ceremony-photos-with-class-of-70-fish/



[This message has been edited by Windy City Ag (edited 8/28/2013 11:17a).]

Unless KIA, MOH winner, General Officer, or E9, you get a two man flag detail and taps played. A dog does not deserve more than a veteran. Do I feel outrage if A&M gives its mascot more? No, but I don't understand how you argue with fervor for Rev but I've seen zero outrage on this website arguing a service member missing his legs deserves the same as a dog. Because they won't get it unless one if the above mentioned criteria is met.

P.S. before some google warrior looks up full honors funeral regs the reality is enlisted and junior officers will not get one without special considerations. While working in TRADOC I worked 2 man funeral detail for a year. Felt like **** playing a recording of taps on a CD player for people who gave so much.

Please do not insult the United States Marine Corps!!!!!! BG Ramirez was in the Army....also Reveille should receive all honors as has been the tradition in the past...oh , by the way I am a retired Marine and a an E-2 member...she is more than some dog as some of you allude to.

Col. A 1976

The idea that the student body should play Silver Taps and perform a 21-gun salute only for veterans flies in face of two of our most revered traditions: Silver Taps for current students and Muster for all Aggies. While playing Silver Taps and performing a 21-gun salute are military honors, they are also deep Aggie traditions due to our military history.

I find it fitting (as did Aggies in the past) to honor Reveille's death in the same manner that we honor all Aggies' deaths, with the playing of Silver Taps and the performing of a 21-gun salute.

quote:

---

The funeral and military style burial service for the Revs is a ceremony offered by A&M and performed by the Corps of Cadets (not generally active duty military folks) to honor a former mascot's service to the University. It has precisely dick to do with the actual military, other than it being in the style of the military.

The police, firefighers, Coast Guard and probably the Merchant Marines all do this as well. Does this insult the military as well? If some schmuck that didn't serve in the military wanted to hire a bugler and 7 guys with guns (and blanks) to do their thing over his flag-draped coffin at his funeral because he by damn loved America he could do so. And it would not be an "insult" to the military. The military would not participate, but they couldn't stop it either.

---

+1

quote:

---

Unless KIA, MOH winner, General Officer, or E9, you get a two man flag detail and taps played. A dog does not deserve more than a veteran. Do I feel outrage if A&M gives its mascot more? No, but I don't understand how you argue with fervor for Rev but I've seen zero outrage on this website arguing a service member missing his legs deserves the same as a dog. Because they won't get it unless one if the above mentioned criteria is met.

---

While that sucks, there is no reason for A&M to limit how it chooses to honor it's mascot because the federal government is being crappy to actual vets.

quote:

---

Unless KIA, MOH winner, General Officer, or E9, you get a two man flag detail and taps played. A dog does not deserve more than a veteran. Do I feel outrage if A&M gives its mascot more? No, but I don't understand how you argue with fervor for Rev but I've seen zero outrage on this website arguing a service member missing his legs deserves the same as a dog. Because they won't get it unless one if the above mentioned criteria is met.

P.S. before some google warrior looks up full honors funeral regs the reality is enlisted and junior officers will not get one without special considerations. While working in TRADOC I worked 2 man funeral detail for a year. Felt like **** playing a recording of taps on a CD player for people who gave so much.

---

So, Ramirez, never having been in combat or anywhere near it, will get a full military funeral, while junior officers and enlisted men who have actually seen combat get two man flag details? Quantity > Quality I guess?

quote:

---

She also eats out of a bowl and ****s outdoors.

---

so do I, most days.

Remember that episode of Saved by the Bell when they had a funeral for Arty the lizard. LMAO

Having read this entire thread, I tend to agree mostly with the following well stated opinion....

quote:

---

The notion that a 21-gun salute, military style funeral is inappropriate is stupid. Did A&M drag actively serving military personnel out to perform this service? Where is the law that the "honor" of a military style funeral is reserved for the military only? The only "reservation" is that the military won't participate if the deceased is not a prior service member. It's kind of self-policing in that manner.

Military funerals are provided for former service members with non-combat careers and short service terms. Being the typist for a general is not exactly the same as a front-line serving grunt with his life on the line every day, so let's not act like this is some kind of thing that signifies that Audie Murphy Jr. has just passed away. It is a service and honor offered to former military members by the military in order to recognize their service. That's it. It doesn't signify combat death, or even combat service. Just that the deceased served in the military for some period of time and in some capacity and is now room temperature.

The funeral and military style burial service for the Revs is a ceremony offered by A&M and performed by the Corps of Cadets (not generally active duty military folks) to honor a former mascot's service to the University. It has precisely dick to do with the actual military, other than it being in the style of the military.

The police, firefighers, Coast Guard and probably the Merchant Marines all do this as well. Does this insult the military as well? If some schmuck that didn't serve in the military wanted to hire a bugler and 7 guys with guns (and blanks) to do their thing over his flag-draped coffin at his funeral because he by damn loved America he could do so. And it would not be an "insult" to the military. The military would not participate, but they couldn't stop it either.

It is interesting that the Commandant has an opinion regarding this. His opinion should be noted and then Loftin needs to tell him to STFU and have the service in the traditional fashion.

Those of you that are comlaining that "this is why people make fun of us" need to butch up. If it wasn't this it would be something else. In addition, unique and slightly off things like this in our traditions are what make A&M unique. If you don't want to partake in these traditions because you worry about what your friends or co-workers will say to you at cocktail parties or at the water cooler, that is your right. But you don't have the right to ruin it for everyone else because you are embarrassed. Stay home, read a book, look at pron or whatever it is you do in your life that will keep you from being embarrassed by what other students and alums think of aggies. But leave the traditions alone.

---

Having spent my fish year living in the same dorm as E-2, and having had to hit the wall and say "howdy Miss Reveille Ma'am", I will admit that I developed a certain dislike for that "damned dawg". I also believe that we do go a bit over the top, with respect to the service that is held when one of them dies. However, it is an Aggie tradition, and I believe we should respect it. With emphasis, as stated above, that it's an Aggie tradition, peformed by Aggies (students/cadets, not members of the military). Lastly, as so elequently stated above, if our traditions are embarrassing to you, all I would ask is that you reassess. Our traditions, and let's face it, many of them are downright odd, are what I cherish most about being an Aggie. Stop worrying about what others think, and embrace our uniqueness.

quote:

---

Please do not insult the United States Marine Corps!!!!!! BG Ramirez was in the Army....also Reveille should receive all honors as has been the tradition in the past...oh , by the way I am a retired Marine and a an E-2 member...she is more than some dog as some of you allude to.

Col. A 1976

---

So a former E2 member thinks the dog - that bit students - is special. Well color me shocked!

quote:

---

quote:

---

Unless KIA, MOH winner, General Officer, or E9, you get a two man flag detail and taps played. A dog does not deserve more than a veteran. Do I feel outrage if A&M gives its mascot more? No, but I don't understand how you argue with fervor for Rev but I've seen zero outrage on this website arguing a service member missing his legs deserves the same as a dog. Because they won't get it unless one if the above mentioned criteria is met.

P.S. before some google warrior looks up full honors funeral regs the reality is enlisted and junior officers will not get one without special considerations. While working in TRADOC I worked 2 man funeral detail for a year. Felt like **** playing a recording of taps on a CD player for people who gave so much.

---

So, Ramirez, never having been in combat or anywhere near it, will get a full military funeral, while junior officers and enlisted men who have actually seen combat get two man flag details? Quantity > Quality I guess?

---

Still waiting to be wowed by your illustrious combat record...

quote:

---

The idea that the student body should play Silver Taps and perform a 21-gun salute only for veterans flies in face of two of our most revered traditions

---

Youre absolutely right. No one on this thread has made this argument, people who are trying to change the subject keep bringing it up, but no one has made the argument.