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No Funeral Service for Reveille VII

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Ragnar Danneskjold
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You realize youre drawing comparisons between the death of human beings and a ****ing dog, right?

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nai06
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Ragnar,

How do you feel about silver taps
Ragnar Danneskjold
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we're not talking about silver taps
RARay
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The it's-just-a-dog folks should take a moment to try to understand what a mascot is. This isn't about a dog.
The Collective
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So, we probably shouldn’t memorialize her at all then, I suppose. I will back away; clearly I am wrong on this issue based on the posts.
nai06
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So your only issue with it is that it's a dog right? I'm not trying to be a jerk,, just curious
Federale01
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The it's-just-a-dog folks should take a moment to try to understand what a mascot is. This isn't about a dog.

No one is saying there shouldn't be a memorial service, just that a dog, unless its a combat service dog, does not deserve military honors.
Esteban du Plantier
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Reveille wears five stars as a symbol of the sacrifice Aggies made in war. Giving her a military funeral is not to honor the dog, it is a symbol to honor that sacrifice.
MouthBQ98
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There are a lot of human beings worth less to society than that dog was, FWIW. Most of them are in prison, but still...

I can buy the argument about the full military style funeral, but it's a tradition thing of showing respect that is unique to A&M. Does the military own the market on military style funerals? I believe civilian police officers often get smiliar treatment. Rev serves as a unit mascot in a military environment for a very large ROTC program, where military bearing and symbolism are important.

This is akin to the argument that people make that D&C cadets should be kicked out of the corps because they're not going to be in the real military....
Ragnar Danneskjold
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There are a lot of human beings worth less to society than that dog was,


good lord
Ol Whats his Face
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If you don't like the traditions why even come to this school, y'all come here and expect us to change everything just to accommodate you, why don't you go to tech, Waco, or Austin
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MouthBQ98
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PLEASE tell me Ragnar, that you value a death row inmate above a dog that provides valuable PR service to A&M?

I believe there's a lot of human beings on this planet that have net negative value, and woudl be better off not existing. That doesn't mean I think it is moral to make it so, but I wouldn't be overly distressed about losing a few of them, either. That's another issue.

I can live without a full military style funeral for Rev, but she does provide valuable service to the corps and university in a PR role, and I feel an official ceremony to acknowledge that is quite justified.

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OldArmy71
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Boy, this is a tough one. I can see both sides to it. My father was on campus with the original Rev and my aunt wrote the most beautiful poem about her I've ever read.

One point:

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It's not just for Rev. She holds the rank she does and has always been given the honors she has as a thank you from the DoD for A&M's service in WWII. It's an honor she's given as thanks for the service of A&M and the sacrifice of fellow Aggies



A bit of a quibble with this. According to a book that I read and re-read as a kid and still have in my possession, "The Story of Texas A&M" (George Sessions Perry, 1951), the original Reveille became a general thusly:

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The Corps came to realize the fact that its chubby little mascot would pass on some time soon and decided to immortalize her. The way was opened when the WAGS division of Dogs for Defense was created. Any dog owner could purchase a rank for his dog, the cost ranging from one dollar for a private to $100 for a general's commission.

With her extensive military background, Reveille was definitely qualified to be a General, and a drive was launched among students in the summer of 1943 to obtain the necessary funds.


Edit: the article in the Batt got it right:

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"The tradition of giving each Reveille mascot a military burial began in 1944 when Reveille I died," according to the A&M press release. "As part of a national fundraiser for World War I (sic--that should say WWII), A&M cadets had raised money to get Reveille I commissioned as a general in the military. When she died a year later, it seemed only appropriate to give her a military funeral," said Serold.






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Ragnar Danneskjold
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PLEASE tell me Ragnar, that you value a death row inmate above a dog that provides valuable PR service to A&M?



Okay. Yes. Yes I do. I find it profoundly inhuman and evil to belittle the dignity of human life in such a way. One is a human being with hopes, aspirations, a soul, and a spark of the divine. One is a ****ing dog.

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neondon85
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I served with soldiers who never saw combat, some never even left the US. Do they deserve military honors?!
Federale01
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By the way, she wears five diamonds, not five stars. It's a cadet rank.
Federale01
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I served with soldiers who never saw combat, some never even left the US. Do they deserve military honors?!

Yes, they served their country. Reveille did not.
The Collective
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I served with soldiers who never saw combat, some never even left the US. Do they deserve military honors?!


I think they do.
Capt. America
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That sucks terribly, I hate that they are liberalizing everything. No prayer, just a moment of silence, no funeral, just a memorial service, what a load of bad bull

RIP Ma'am.

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MouthBQ98
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Sadly, I don't share your sentiment, wholly. While I value life in general, and respect all living things, and I do accord human life a special degree of sanctity and respect, I also weigh that value against the individuals actions. There truly are some people that were better to have not been, considering the horrors they brought to be during their lifetimes, and the cost to others they exacted. I believe such individuals deserve no particular consideration above animals with a distinctily positive net value. Certain 9/11 terrorists come to mind, for example.

and yes, I am a cynical sob. I oppose the death penalty on religious grounds, but don't shed a tear when people die deserved deaths that they've earned many times over.

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MouthBQ98
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I'm pretty sure you'd get a different opinion about "fking dogs" from someone who has a service dog...be it a disabled person, or a military or police dog, or a search and rescue dog, etc...

I am fine with the decision to lower the status of Rev's memorial to accomodate those with strong feelings about it relative to soldiers, but I wasn't bothered about it the way it had been done in the past, either. It was not the first, nor would it be the last time an animal had received such acknowledgement. Military horses of distinction historically had commonly been given exceptional funeral honors, and they're much less sentient than dogs.

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Ragnar Danneskjold
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Well, apparently there are people who value the lives of dog's more than a human so I guess I would. Dont get me wrong, I love dogs. But even great dogs (service dogs dont know the difference, theyre dogs) are not as important as the lowliest human life.


I will now bow out of this thread as I can see no one will be coming down from their opinion. Have a good day.
MouthBQ98
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I can respect your opinion. I don't think we wholly disagree. I think human life is special, but there are some humans that so egregiously violate that sanctity that they're no longer worthy of it. They are so low they're worth less than a dog, or the dirt they get buried in, but even so, as human beings ourselves, we accord even the lowest human a degree of respect I suppose due to what they could have been if they had not fallen into evil.

I just think it does no harm to acknowledge a dog who provided valuable service to human beings or was special to human beings, and it doesn't have to be taken in relative terms to human beings, either.

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neondon85
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I think the decision should be with the Corps and FTAB on how they honor her not the Commandant. I was willing to walk the 'Bull ring' for going against orders that I didn't like and I did...
InnerCityAg
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Ragnar always trolls threads like this.

Sadly, I think he actually believes much of what he types here.
ILuvAgLand
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So you are saying anyone could have done this for their dog if they wanted to. It was really a special gesture by the army?

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The Corps came to realize the fact that its chubby little mascot would pass on some time soon and decided to immortalize her. The way was opened when the WAGS division of Dogs for Defense was created. Any dog owner could purchase a rank for his dog, the cost ranging from one dollar for a private to $100 for a general's commission.

With her extensive military background, Reveille was definitely qualified to be a General, and a drive was launched among students in the summer of 1943 to obtain the necessary funds.
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Federale01
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neon,
I can't believe you are that upset about this. Were you in E-2?

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Ragnar Danneskjold
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Ragnar always trolls threads like this.


saying any human life is more important than any dog's life is trolling? I thought that was basic human understanding.

I'm sorry, but if you disagree with that statement youre a psychopath

If you disagree, fine, but arguing the logical conclusion of thousands of years of western civilization isnt trolling.

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Aggroid Part 6
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I agree with the point about Silver Taps. 21 gun salute and taps for mostly non-service members probably isn't appropriate either. Better go ahead and end that tradition as well.
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ShankedPunt
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I agree with the point about Silver Taps. 21 gun salute and taps for mostly non-service members probably isn't appropriate either. Better go ahead and end that tradition as well.


Well done
1aggie02
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Reveille wears five stars as a symbol of the sacrifice Aggies made in war. Giving her a military funeral is not to honor the dog, it is a symbol to honor that sacrifice.


You forget that we are 70 years further along the path to idiocracy than when this tradition started. People don't understand symbols. Symbols are for gays. Ask Ragnar, he'll confirm.
Tango Mike
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"As a veteran, as one who has presided over many military funerals, I do not think taps or a 21-gun salute is appropriate," said Commandant Joe Ramirez Jr., a retired brigadier general who served in the U.S. Marine Corps. "She is a school mascot. She is not a soldier, sailor, airman or Marine who died in defense for our country."


Seriously, when will this ***hole be gone? I am sick of him being a poosay on everything. He was on staffs his whole career, so I shouldn't be surprised, but God **** it I want him gone.

Joe Ramirez, killing the Corps since ever


Jesus, is your vagina on fire? It's a dog. What is your command experience?
 
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