I love Texas and I do not consider myself a southern...but let me tell you something you ever go to NYC they don't give a **** that you say you're Texan..They lump you in with the rest of the south...Fine by me we have more in common with them than Yankees...

And quit bashing the south there are good people there who don't give a **** about the civil war anymore...this thread is dumb.

Dan Emmett is traditionally credited with writing the famous song "Dixie". The story that he related about its composition varied each time he told it, but the main points were that he composed the song in New York City while a member of Bryant's Minstrels. The song was first performed by Emmett and the Bryants at Mechanics' Hall in New York City on April 4, 1859. The song became a runaway hit, especially in the South, and the piece for which Emmett was most well known. Emmett himself reportedly told a fellow minstrel that "If I had known to what use they [Southerners] were going to put my song, I will be damned if I'd have written it." After the South began using his song as a rally, Emmett wrote the fife and drum manual for the Union Army. Emmett's song was a favorite of President Abraham Lincoln, who said after the war ended in 1865: "I have always thought that 'Dixie' was one of the best tunes I ever heard. I had heard our adversaries had attempted to appropriate it. I insisted yesterday that we had fairly captured it.". In fact, the song was a favorite of President Abraham Lincoln; he had it played at some of his political rallies and at the announcement of General Robert E. Lee's surrender.


A Mount Vernon, Ohio, tradition, which dates to the 1910s or 1920s at the latest, lends some credence to this notion. Many Mount Vernon residents claim that Emmett collaborated informally with a pair of black musicians named Ben and Lew Snowden. Those who remember the Snowden brothers describe them as "informal", "spontaneous", "creative", and "relatively free of concern over ownership" of their songs. The Snowden brothers were part of the Snowden Family Band, which was well known for traveling about the region. That Emmett might have met and played with these local celebrities is hardly surprising. The story is well enough known that the grave marker for Ben and Lew Snowden, set in 1976 by the black American Legion post, reads, "They taught 'Dixie' to Dan Emmett".


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Since you've found Wikipedia, you should be able to read:

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In short, "Dixie" made the case, more strongly than any previous minstrel tune had, that slaves belonged in bondage.[13] This was accomplished through the song's protagonist, who, in comic black dialect, implies that despite his freedom, he is homesick for the plantation of his birth:

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So I ask again. Do you see why some might find that offensive?


The truth of the matter is that Dixie was originally a racist song. Today, it no longer is

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How about "come to the bower" ? look it up

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The truth of the matter is that Dixie was originally a racist song. Today, it no longer is.

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Wrong. Apparently you are unable to comprehend the written word. Emmett makes it clear that if he'd known what racists were going to do with the song he'd have never written it. Just because some racists used it as an anthem for their racist beliefs doesn't mean the song is inherently racist.

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So a song that says black people are longing to remain in slavery is not racist? What would you call it then?


And Emmit did not make anything clear. That's something he reportedly said. And that doesnt change what the song was about

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Once had a Yank friend who refused to buy groceries at Winn-Dixie.
Would drive extra miles to avoid their stores.

(So Bop why is it, if you're dyin' of thurst, you'd purposely avoid Ugly Orange bottled Gatorade ? EVEN IF IT WAS FREE ???)

I believe that Abraham Lincoln has infinitely more credibility on the subject than some random Internet poster. And, once again, Emmett makes it clear that racism wasn't his intent. Just because a bunch of ignorants attach an incorrect meaning to the song doesn't make it so.

Abe Lindoln said the song was not originally racist?

Link please.


So Emmit did not think dancing around in black face singing that black people liked being slaves was racist. Awesome for,him

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I'm nearly out of battery on my iPad and completely out of patience with your inability to comprehend so I'll end with this: Does anyone in their right mind believe that Lincoln, who was adamantly opposed to slavery, would have referred to the song Dixie as "one of the best tunes he'd ever heard" if, indeed, he believed it was racist. You must have another agenda.

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"Texas was a part of the Confederacy and therefore is still a part of the Deep South?" I disagree with that.

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The "Deep South" is a geographical term. Nobody would consider calling Virgina or the Carolinas the "Deep South".

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The societal structure, attitudes and even the accents are different. Perhaps part of that significant differentiation is due to Texas being separated from the rest of the South by our neighbor Louisiana, which is perhaps the most unique and different of the 48 contiguous in culture, language, accents, dialects, food, hell, even topography.

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Yet the vast majority of that culture is directly tied to the rest of the South simply from the migration and settlement patterns. My people came to Texas from Mississippi and Alabama. They didn't start living, thinking, writing, and cooking differently just because they moved west.

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I do not think and feel that Texas is Southern

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Maybe you should talk to this guy: http://history.tamu.edu/faculty/buenger.shtml


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Lincoln being anti-slavery really has nothing to do with it. Or are you one of those Lincoln lovers that think he was the great humanitarian that thought black people were equal to white people?

Why do you keep,ignoring the facts regarding what the song is about?

Wonder why FTAB music selection for the SEC (Bop's vote: The Bonnie Blue Flag) is taking ah "back of the bus" seat on this thread ?

Actually, I'm split on Lincoln. It goes without saying that emancipation was correct and just. However, Lincoln's negative impact on State's Rights has had a profound negative impact since the end of the war. Taken all together, our nation is obviously better off.

Cannot locate link of FTAB playing "The Bonnie Blue Flag", but if you could hear it just once you'd vote with Bop (that is, the FTAB's rendition).

Sorry folks, "Dixie" is totally out of the picture.

Play Dixie and be proud of it. We are in the SEC and that's the South, like it or not.

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Good bet FTAB director will be a hard sell on playin' anything related to "Dixie".

This retarded thread is still going? Unbelievable.

Look, bottom line is, I don't give a rat's ass about whether you think "Dixie" is inherently racist or not. Doesn't matter in the least. Hell, the confederate flag is just a rag unless we ascribe meaning to it. The thing of it is, people WILL ascribe meaning to it--good or bad. Whether you think it's misguided or not, minorities WOULD have a problem with the FTAB playing "Dixie," SEC notwithstanding.

Personally, the FTAB playing a song whose subject is a freedman longing to return to the plantation works at cross-purposes to shedding a positive light on our great university. Many other minorities would (and will) share a similar view.

Keep the FTAB the way it is right now. It ain't broke--no need to fix it.

Why not play "Battle Hymn of the Republic" in honor of Sam Houston?

Dixie is offensive IMO.
I think we should still be playing "Maroon Tattoo" though. I"m not sure why we stopped. I can't find it on line but I did find this "gem" from the Huntsville High marching band. They open their routine with it. The 1:55 mark is the best part of the number.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0xJE2GKNF0

Lincoln was no friend of the black man..If you think other wise you don't know how to read.

The whole south is offensive we should throw it in the gulf of America that will show them. smh

I find all of the people against the song Dixie extremely offensive but apparently some people's feelings mean more than others.

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I find all of the people against the song Dixie extremely offensive but apparently some people's feelings mean more than others.

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Poor you, I'm sure there are Klan members that are extremely offended that they can't burn crosses in the South with impunity anymore, too. Guess their feelings don't mean as much as others.

Not saying "Dixie" is tantamount to cross-burning in any way, shape, or form--just pointing out how ridiculous the above post is.

I was pointing out how ridiculous PC culture is. Playing a song is NOT the same thing as burning a cross on someone's lawn. Basically we have decided its okay to persecute the culture of the minority of americans with southern heritage because the majority does not like it. People do not understand that this PC culture we have can easily be turned around on them. There is this thing called tolerance. It would be great if the PC crowd learned this concept.

FTAB not playing Dixie is persecuting southerners?

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Playing a song is NOT the same thing as burning a cross on someone's lawn.

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Did I not JUST say that?

^ True but I was offended by the analogy. I am offended by your expression of your view that my post was ridiculous and demand an apology.

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^ True but I was offended by the analogy. I am offended by your expression of your view that my post was ridiculous and demand an apology.

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LOL my head hurts now. Well played.

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Lincoln was no friend of the black man..If you think other wise you don't know how to read.

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Linoln signed the Emanciapation Proclamation. Regardless of his personal feelings this was his accomplishment. The playing of Dixie at say, Ole Miss, would not further the ball down the field but would create ridicule throughout our nation. Afterall, Ole Miss scrapped Col. Reb and was even considering Amniral Akbar as a mascot. Playing Dixie is not a cover charge to the SEC.

this is pretty pathetic....Ole Miss doesn't even play "Dixie" any more......at least not in the context that is being proposed..

FTAB should play Dixie. Texas is just as much of a Southern state as the rest of them. Our economy got kick started by fueling the Confederacy. The South is good people... better than the North. My ancestors were Confederate veterans. I am not ashamed of the South at all... only a very small percentage of people were slave owners anyways. Play Dixie.... move along. Ole Sul Ross was a Confederate.

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Do you even know what that does?

Im sure you think it is what freed the slaves.

COMRADES,

How could we not forget the architectural spirit of our Dear Institution with some of these State Marches!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO5-hM6xKt4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8qakI4mDII