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I'm not saying we should or have to play Dixie, but what I am saying is that there's not a good enough reason not to. And btw, if we did play it, it's not like it would be played every game.

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Better not be, or I might have to poop slap!

SERIOUSLY...
Good London bookie might give 750,000 to 1 odds that FTAB will ever play "Dixie" in the SEC.

"The Bonnie Blue Flag" would not raise an eyebrow or nary a peep of protest.

Most of the population of Texas during the 1860's was concentrated in East Texas.

Look. Its our history, just like being part of Mexico is our history, I think we should be able to put on whatever music we like. We should be free to play whatever songs that arent specifically "hate-filled" to put on a good show.

Take this scene for example...just listen to the background music and ignore Casper Van Dien http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjD62r9einQ

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Look. Its our history, just like being part of Mexico is our history

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This is a cop out statement. The phrase, "it's history" should not be used as a panacea.

"Cop out"? I dont think you understand what that means. As a 7th generation Texan, I can say our history matters. It is not something to be tossed aside because some sh-tstain deems it to be unimportant, immoral, or offensive.

I used to think the Civil War was fought over slavery or racism. Then I educated myself. Dixie is not racist, period.

Just because someone is offended by something out of ignorance doesn't mean that it should be banned. We can't cater to everyone's feelings.

Show me one post where I stated our (and yes, I said "our"--you're not the only one with deep Texas roots here) state's history needed to be tossed aside. Just because it's history doesn't mean it's something to be proud of, and it damn sure doesn't mean it needs to be esteemed. The FTAB represents all Aggies of every creed and color, and as such their selection needs to reflect the cultural sensitivities of everyone. Playing "Dixie" would undermine that greatly, and I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out why.

What in the hell is wrong with them playing the same selections they have been? This "we should play different music because we're in a different conference" argument is as retarded as the "we need to change the War Hymn" malarkey that floats around here.

Why would it undermine cultural sensitivity?

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Go to Jefferson, Texas (you'll think you were in some part of Georgia).

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Good tip.

Just looked it up. Very interesting: small town, N of I-20, about 15 miles from the LA border. Gotcha, and I'm not arguing against your point. I'm saying that most of the people in Texas do not live in towns that size, that far away from other population centers, and not anywhere near that close to LA. The sheer size - land area and population - of our state, plus the influence of our Mexican heritage, makes Texas generally not 'Southern,' IMO.

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Just because it's history doesn't mean it's something to be proud of, and it damn sure doesn't mean it needs to be esteemed.

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And that is where you lost the argument.

Why dont we just throw out all American music because they allowed slavery for a hundred years...when Farrakan hears the national anthem he cringes in the racism of America.

As this discussion has gone we cant play anything antebellum even if it is uniquely Texan.

This thread is just amazing. Cannot believe what I am reading.

P.C. is climate control you must come to understand, accept and embrace.

It is fact.

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This thread is just amazing. Cannot believe what I am reading.

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Our "orange water cooler" threads would blow your mind.

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Our "orange water cooler" threads would blow your mind.

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Hmmmm.....

Scotch...
What about the deceased Reveille graves being relocated AGAIN during the new Kyle Field renovation (and then to boot, minus a north central tunnel...AGAIN) ?

Remember...PC.

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What does PC mean? Is this an Aggie thing? Or "Politically Correct"? Enlighten me, gentlemen.

sug...PC ?
Pepsico Contract (locking Texas A&M's Kyle Field into an exclusive 75 year Ugly Orange Gatorade cooler contact).

Yea, we got 'em. PC at Kyle forever.

Awwright...interesting.

Dixie is one of the best songs on this Earth, but I would agree that there just isn't a reason for A&M to play it. A&M, for better and for worse, isn't Dixie. It does, however, have the best marching band there is, with its own sound and tradition. Keep the FTAB the way it is.

Way down yonder in the land of cotton...

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suga, (hi again), I keep saying that Texas is just really different from "The South," and most of us are not "Southern." I have a feeling that you are probably not the only gal from LA eastward who might find this conversation .... odd, interesting, unbelievable, etc. Texas is different. I'm not issuing a value judgment of one being better or worse than the other. It's just a different culture, in my experience, and the fact that you seem ... I don't know....bewildered(?) by this conversation is completely appropriate to my experiences in this regard.

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What does PC mean? Is this an Aggie thing? Or "Politically Correct"? Enlighten me, gentlemen.

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suga, it means "Politically Correct." BeBopAg has a really fun and quirky sense of humor, and was pulling your leg, as I'm sure you gathered rather quickly.

Seersucker: you should consider continuing to educate yourself. Specifically learn the origin of the song, and why the CSA VP said they seceded.

As an African-American, do you think your new head coach would have any kind of problem with it?

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Texas is as much of the deep South as the other southern states.

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Two words for you: So. What?

Yeah, TX was a confederate state. Quite frankly, it's regrettable. Being against the FTAB playing "Dixie" is not an attempt to rewrite history. The fact of the matter is, I believe Texas has more honorable stuff to hang its hat on than being on the wrong side of the Civil War.

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Not sure I follow you because you are not following me. I never said I supported FTAB playing Dixie. In fact, I am against it. If you re-read the quote I was responding to, I was responding to someone who was attempting to re-write history regarding the role of Texas in the Civil War. It is what it is. Asking the question "So what" is like a 2 year old that keeps asking "How come?" every time you say anything.

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Texas is not consider "deep south" by anyone.

And that's something we should be proud of

Correct, Texas is its own place, however influenced by a lot of outside factors and cultures; Texans need to be proud of Texas.

With all that said, an FTAB performance showcasing Civil War tunes at an away game would be great in my opinion.

My two cents.

Well, could the FTAB at least consider returning to John Philip Sousa compositions.

(Bop, surely by now you know every FTAB director wants to make his mark...with HIS own personal compositions.)

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All the southern states were Confederate, but Texas was an independent nation.

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Georgia suggests that you consult a history text.

2008, when Russia invaded Georgia, folks in Alabama bought the entire inventory of guns and ammunition at Wal-Mart.

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The only problem I have with original arrangements of Sousa is that sometimes it sounds too much like a highschool pep rally or a parade.

I mean to sound like a war-march you have to drop some of the melody voices down a few octaves or compensate other voices going to pianissimo.

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Well, could the FTAB at least consider returning to John Philip Sousa compositions.

(Bop, surely by now you know every FTAB director wants to make his mark...with HIS own personal compositions.)

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I'm not sure the director is that big on Sousa. Rhea has also put in a number of his own arrangements.

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As an African-American, do you think your new head coach would have any kind of problem with it?

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Hell, I'm a white guy, and I have a problem with it.

These idiots probably want to replace Ol' Sarge with Colonel Reb.

I don't really have an opinion on whether Dixie should be played by the FTAB. I'll leave that to the pros. But it's a damn great song, and anyone who claims that it is racist is simply attaching meaning that isn't there. Just because some racists of the past/present were/are ignorant in their use of the song doesn't mean the song should be tossed into the dustbin of history. To believe so is as ignorant as those who used the song for nepherious purposes in the past. Americans need to grow up and move on.

Another person that has no clue on the origin of the song