Post pictures of old farm equipment

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I've mentioned the Hale County Farm and Ranch Museum before. It is on the south side of Hale Center, Texas. Take exit 36 off of I-27. If southbound, stay on frontage road. If northbound, take first left under overpass, then go north on west service road.

This is it, zoom out to locate. The current Google Maps address puts the place mark 3.5 miles south at somebody's house. So don't believe Google Maps or your GPS. It's open almost every day from 1-5, free admission. Email me if you're planning to come. I live an hour away, but I'm there occasionally.

Some of the exhibits:

Another view of Dad's 1938 G and his Gibson Super D2.


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From the Paul Armstrong Estate, a 1920 Waterloo Boy Model N.

Someone told me once that there were only three surviving Waterloo Boy tractors in Texas. I don't know if there is any truth to that. I do know that a lot of pre-WWII tractors that were outdated by 1941 ended up in the scrap drives.


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More from HCFRM. A Case steam engine, model and age unknown (to me)


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Wooden Thresher from Paul Armstrong Estate. No name plate or ID.


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1928 Farmall with cultivator


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Those spring loaded seats would be necessities driving a tractor with those steel wheels.
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In 1919, a group of folks got together to build a tractor. They found and hired a guy named "Ford", no relation to Henry Ford of the car company, to be the figurehead of their company. They named their creation "The Ford Tractor". It was a piece of junk.

A Nebraska State Legislator bought one, and it broke down 3 times on the road home. He was so POed that he filed legislation requiring that every tractor sold in Nebraska had to be tested and certified. Thus the creation of the prestigious, and still operating, Nebraska Tractor Test Lab.

Henry Ford got into the tractor business later, and the "Ford" name was so sullied by the other company, that he had to call his tractor a "Fordson.


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One of Hale Center's retired firetrucks. A 1936 Ford, I believe.


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A nice little pedal car and pedal tractor collection.


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Some of you may have owned/used grain drills produced by the Tye corporation of Lockney, Texas. Here's the prototype, and the tractor Mr. Tye used when he invented it.


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Model 40 JD crawler, restored by Abernathy, Texas FFA.


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A closer look at the 1938 Unstyled L from the first page of this thread.


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A detail shot of the wheels on the JD trailer, also shown on first page. We know it is an early style because of the clamp-on rim, but that's about as much as we know.


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Canyon has posted pictures of not only unique tractors but some beautiful restorations. Tractor restorations are not unlike automobile restorations. Obviously there’s not as much sheet metal work (unless it’s a Moline UDLX) but that doesn’t mean there isn’t an equivalent attention to detail. Here is an example of a thorough restoration of a John Deere 1940 Model G. As I stated on page 1 this is the first tractor my grandfather bought new. He died at the age of 45 in 1954. After his passing my grandmother continued to farm until 1990. Not long after she retired from farming she let me have this family tractor. The restoration was done over almost 3 years. It really shouldn’t have taken that long but in the mean time I tinkered with other tractors, got married, and did a lot of stuff young guys do besides get greasy in the barn all night. It’s a lot of work but very fulfilling.

Here is the tractor as it set until the early ‘90s. I believe it set in and out of sheds since the ‘60s wherever my grandmother had room for it around her farm.


After I got it home and started disassembling it the work ahead came evident. Here we are looking up into the cylinders at the pistons with the head removed. You can see where the water sat at various levels in at least one cylinder; evidence the tractor sat outside a good bit of time.



Here we are in the barn with the block removed. You can see the rod journal on the crankshaft in the main case. Some parts are starting to be sandblasted and painted. You can see the engine block sitting on the workbench. The piston skirts go up into the crankcase.



Upskirt picture of the final drives here.



With the engine reassembled and sealed up tight it’s time for sandblasting the main case. Of course there are also tons of other smaller parts being sandblasted or run through the glass beading cabinet.



I took some sheet plastic and fabricated a paint booth in the shop. Lots of these parts were painted in stages so now they’re sanded and getting ready to paint the whole tractor at one time for an even finsh.



All painted.



Two piece spark plugs - don’t see that much anymore. The compression relief cocks had to be opened to start the engine. The G was the hoss of the 2 cylinder line in 1940 – you weren’t turning it over without opening the petcocks. Darn sure not after an overhaul.



This picture was taken sitting just outside the barn where I picked the tractor up three years earlier. I restored the tractor with rubber tires just like I found it. I don’t know when my grandfather or grandmother took the steel wheels off.

For those unaware – to start a hand-crank 2 cylinder John Deere you turn that flywheel on the side. As you've seen in previous pictures the cylinders lay side-by-side facing the front of the tractor and the crankshaft traverses the direction of travel. This makes the transmission/final drives simple as there is not a 90 degree change in the direction of force as there are with other tractor’s differentials. The flywheel doubles as a starting crank.



In ’95 I loaded some tractors on the drop deck and hauled them to Burton for the Cotton Gin Festival. That’s me on the trailer and my friend on the ground, he has a JD Model H up there in front of my G. I also took a JD L and Farmall F-30.

Used to be fun to do that sort of thing and it wasn't much trouble to do it. Not now. DOT is such a pain they've taken all the goodies out of running your own trucks. You can't tell from that picture but I was probably a public nuciance because my washer fluid was low. If not I know those straight pipes made me public enemy #3.



NOW we’re cooking with gas. On a buying trip to Iowa my Dad and I stumbled on a set of 24x5 steel fronts for a G. These have a 5” face not the 4” that was much more common for A’s. That got me halfway to the way JD originally equipped the tractor. Later I answered an ad in ‘Green Magazine’ for some wheels in Eaton Rapids, MI. The price was high enough and I was going to say ‘I’ll think about it’ when the fellow said ‘you know I have a whole trailer load of stuff going to Houston for another Texan’. So I bought them and then contacted the fellow Texan who very kindly brought my wheels as far as Houston on his TUGBOAT that was going up down the Mississippi. What at trip they took to get to South Texas. These wheels are NOT something you want to run over your toe with. In fact they are dangerous in more ways than one. Driving up ramps onto trailers is OUT unless they are planked with soft pine; even then it is risky and best done on low trailers. Winches are the safest way to load them. Steel on steel is like working on glass - these wheels are terribly unforgiving. As far as that goes, old tractors are terribly unforgiving. The same things that could kill you in 1940 still can today. We've just mitigated the risk by reducing the exposure.



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That's mighty damn impressive. Pat yourself on the back for me. By the way, the guy in the picture with you wouldn't be named Bill, would he?
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Well done
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Agronomist,

The photo of the two guys on the bike, CATAG looks like the driver. It is pretty scary.




And on aside, why are there so many variants of farming tractors? I understand different needs for different crops (corn vs rice vs soybeans, etc.), but are the needs that different that there are 300+ types of tractors?

~egon
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Excellent restoration by Centerpole90. Well worth it, as it was a family tractor. Unfortunately, we don't have any family tractors. We did have about three that belonged to uncles or cousins, and those have gone back to those families.

Dad did not do a lot of full restorations as did CP90. He did a few, but a lot of these tractors are still good internally, so all you really need is cosmetic work. So what if it burns a little oil, or if it doesn't develop the same HP it used to. It won't be used in a field, and the farthest it will be driven is a parade route.

A design flaw with a lot of the Deere two cylinders was that rain would run through the exhaust pipe into the engine. We usually kept a can on the end of the stack. You were supposed to remove it before starting, but for us kids, it was usually a lot more fun to leave it and let it blow off when the engine started. The tighter the can fit, the better.

Dr. Doctor, you are somewhat on the right track. There are different crops that require different tractors.

For instance, the Lindeman crawlers on the first page were developed because normal tractors were too tall to go under trees in orchards. Vegetable guys needed the high crops tractors to clear their plants. Different size tractors for different size operations or jobs. Different soils, different climates, the list goes on and on.

Then once they were in the field, farmers made their own modifications. Dad has an AR Deere that has a very nice farmer-added butane system. Looks factory.

In addition, there were a ton of tractor companies, just like there were a ton of car companies. Lots of folks began building tractors, everyone had different ideas, everyone had different innovations, and everyone hoped to be the John Deere or Case-IH that survived into the 21st century. Only a handful made it.

Finally, you're looking at technology changes. From steam to kerosene to gasoline to diesel. Small engines with little power to several hundred HP. Steel wheels to tracks to rubber to rubber tracks. Steel seats to climate controlled cabs. Chain pulling a straight wagon axle for steering (see Waterloo Boy above) to GPS power hands-off steering with sub-inch accuracy. Moldboard plows to disks to cultivators to conservation, limited and no-till using chemicals and transgenic seed.

Really a lot of history in those hunks of steel. And more so, a lot of family stories, which is what the hobby is all about.

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As far as that goes, old tractors are terribly unforgiving. The same things that could kill you in 1940 still can today. We've just mitigated the risk by reducing the exposure.

Side note, I've been to the Burton Gin, though not during the festival. Dad made it one year, just to visit, not to exhibit.

I used to be real critical of all the safety crap, shields, interlocks, etc. on the newer tractors. Then I went to a few antique tractor shows with dad and started noticing how many of the old guys were crippled up and missing digits and limbs.

Anyone else notice the brake drums in CP90s pics? (6th pic down in his 11:44 post) When I was in high school, we had a JD 730. I used to entertain myself by shining the bottom of my tennis shoe on the rotating brake drum.

And as far as starting any of the old ones, as I've noted before, it is more about technique than brawn. Those same crippled-up old guys at the shows could fire off an "A" JD in a fourth of the time and a fourth of the effort it would take me.
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Near Boissevain, Manitoba.

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Canyon -- by any chance, did your Dad have season football tickets? He looks really, really familiar.
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He had season tickets, but they rarely got to go....500 miles one way. I'm not sure when the last time they attended, but it was no later than the 2010 season. They weren't big donors, so they weren't great tickets.

They are from Hale Center, if that helps. Mom is about 5'2" with white, white hair. Two kids, a daughter-in-law, three grandkids and two grandkids-in-law are Aggies, one grandkid and her husband are Zoomies (USAFA)




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Section 214, row 24, seats 11 & 12? Either you or your brother was in the band?
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That seems right, but it's been a lot of years since I used the tickets. I was a BQ, brother in SQD 6, my Son, their grandson C-2 '09.

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Sister Outfits. B-1. C-1. 13. 6.
If you don't like it, suc...

Well. Your brother can finish it.
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Canyon, I had the pleasure of sitting to your Dad's right since 1991 and I remember your mother well. I recognized your Dad from your pictures right away. Your Dad was a wonderful man and we miss him, even though we only met during a game or two per season.

I graduated in 1986. By 1991, I could afford tickets and bought a bloc with two of my dorm buddies from Hotard; we each bought two since they were married and I was on the slippery slope myself.

I got engaged during the 91 season while my to-be-wife was finishing up her doctoral dissertation. I vividly remember your Dad asking my wife how she was doing on one of their annual trips to Kyle Field -- I think we played Tech and somebody else back-to-back, and your Dad was happy that they were able to stay for the week and see two games. (I vaguely recall that there was a grandson on the Quad -- could be wrong.)

Your Dad and I would share our concerns about how the game was playing out, but I always knew that things were serious when he started humming Aggie Band music. I would cuss my head off, bellow at Slocum from the second deck, but he was in this Zen-meets-Panhandle-Farmer peace and I remain jealous to this day.

We lived in Minnesota and then Alberta from 2003 through 2008, but I kept my tickets and made a least one trip to A&M each season. By happy coincidence, I think my annual trip coordinated with your parents' on all but one year. I'd shoot the bull with your Dad and he'd ask why I left Texas -- and I always said "great question".

The last time I saw your Dad was at a night game in 2009. I remember because it was the first time I brought my daughter to a game. Your Dad made it a point to tell my daughter that he remembered when I brought her mother to games when I was trying to convince her to marry me.

Everyone in our section missed your parents in the 2010 season -- we beat Tech! We were all afraid age had caught up last season when unfamiliar people took their seats. Please tell your mother that the large man who sat next to them grieves for your loss and wishes her the best as do about a dozen good Aggies who sat around them.

I got to spend an afternoon a year with your parents for almost twenty years and I am a better person for it.

What a small, small world.


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Neat stuff!
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Czervik 86 -

Thank you for your very kind post. I read it a while ago, and it has taken me a while to be capable of responding. I think that even if you had not said you knew Dad, I would have recognized him from your account. Sounds just like him. My wife and I used Dad's tickets once or twice, and I think I know who you are. The game I'm thinking of, the crowd was sparse and you got up and walked over to an open section where we could have more room and you could pace and fume. Must have been a typical Aggie football game.

Mom and Dad have talked about the folks that sat around them, and I am certain they have mentioned you, the "large" gave it away. I will have to ask Mom to re-tell the tales. Next season, tell your friends in the section how much Mom and Dad enjoyed sitting with them.

When I was a cadet, March-in was long before the game, and after we were done, the teams would come out to warm up. Back then, Dad would go to the game and be set up in his seat even before March-in. And of course he'd stay for every minute. He was a PE major and if he hadn't been a farmer, he would have loved to be a coach. Dad and the late Joe Stokes '50 (also from Hale Center) were pretty much the first in and last out through the gates, at least according to their wives. Joe's son and I were friends through 1st grade through A&M and beyond, having spent many a long weekend driving to A&M and back with our families.

He only was able to stay at A&M a short time, but it infected him with a life-long love for Aggieland. He tried to walk on to the football team in the Spring of 1946. He was all of 17 and a half then, having graduated from high school at 16 and a half. The vast majority of the other folks trying out were veterans, some of them combat veterans, who were age 23 and up with all their eligibility left. And as Dad said, they weren't afraid of anything. Needless to say, he didn't have a chance, but he cherished the memory.

I think the only flaw in your memory has to do with when the grand-kids were there. They are '97, '99, '09 with spouses '99 and '08. The only male and cadet grand-kid was '09. And as I said, there is a granddaughter and her spouse, USAFA '11.

However, there were a LOT of kids influenced to attend A&M by Dad, as well as families who came to Dad for advice if their kids showed an interest in A&M. Tickled Dad to death to have a big Tech booster come to him and ask if Dad could help their kid go to Aggieland. So your memory from '91 could be of them talking about one of the many other Aggies they influenced.

Dad's health was not great in 2010, but he made it to USAFA in May 2011 for graduation and our daughter's wedding. About a month later, he suffered a stroke, and though his mind was still good, his right side was pretty useless. He suffered a fall in late December and we lost him Christmas morning.

Mom bought season tickets again this year. The granddaughter '99 works on campus, so she takes care of the tickets, holding them for other family members when they are able to use them, or giving them to her friends. So there is a possibility that some of the family will come to a game or two.

Mom's health is not great either, but she, too, is as sharp as ever and takes care of herself, so that is a blessing.

Again, thanks for your very kind words. I hope you won't think it's bragging for me to say I'm not surprised he was a positive influence on you, because I know he was for many, many people. He was a loyal Aggie for 65 years, a loving husband for 64 years, a deacon in his church for 51 years, and an amazing father, grandfather and great-grandfather. We should all aspire to do as well.

I close, once again amazed at how small a world it is, and at the power of TexAgs and the Aggie Network.

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what a great story.
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Great posts. Sounds like your Dad was a good man who helped raise/influence many around him and not just his family!

Good memories will continue to sooth the pain of missing him...
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I LOVE the history in this thread.

Reading the post by Czervik 80 and Canyon's response insprired me to post. It sure got dusty in here and I don't even know these people. But it brought up many of my own family and Aggie memories.

I like to think I have had some influence on folks that have choosen to attend A&M and THE BIGGEST reason is the Aggie network. These stories just further justify my reasoning.

Very good bull!
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Very great stuff
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Awesome stories and pictures. I figured I'd add a few myself. Not as old as some of equipment as many seen here but every time I go back home to the farm I can picture every tractor and combine I ever drove as a kid. I occasionally still help out around the farm and dad still has his 4955 from when I was growing up. I spent so much time in that thing in high school, even after 20 years, I still don't have to look at what I'm doing when operating it, everything comes back and its almost like the controls are just an extension of my hand.

Corn harvest in 1988. A year or two before this, when my dad finally let me run the grain cart by myself, I turned too short with the grain cart seen here, got the tongue caught on a dual and rolled it right on over. I guess it was a good thing it was empty and rolled onto the non-auger side.




I still can't believe dad let us ride on the fenders like this. I couldn't have been more than 6 or 7 here. I can't imagine letting my son ride on the fenders like this.



Chopping alfalfa sometime in the early 90's



Picking green beans around the same time.
powerbiscuit
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Maybe they are not quite as old as some, but still very cool. I don't think I have any pictures of us working on the farm. Thanks for sharing them.
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Wow. That little sidebar puts this all in perspective doesn’t it? What a testament to your Dad Canyon – I’m glad we could all share in that. I was scanning pictures to post last night but didn’t want to break the vibe.

I’ll get back to the tractors later, but for now here’s a ‘compromising’ Amish fellow somewhere in Iowa… a little of the old… a little of the new.


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That's...interesting

So no rubber = Amish?
EskimoJoe
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Correct, no rubber on a modern machine, guy with a beard and top hat = amish or some type of mennonite.


There are many different sects of amish and mennonites all with different rules about vehicles/tractors/rubber tires/chrome/electricity/etc...
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My previous employer would build customer made wheels for the Amish on a regular basis. They would buy a brand new tractor and take out all the "creature comforts". They would use steel wheels, remove the air-ride seats and install steel seats. I may not understand their lifestyle but I respect their dedication to it.
 
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