Now bring it over to Willow Terrace. Sick of listening to generators.
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Just a guess, but I doubt Northern girl WI is an expert at high voltage electricity much less distribution of electricity.AgLiving06 said:After Hurricane Irma in 2017, FP&L got over half their customers online within a day and all of them within 10 days. 4.4 million lost power. Worse than Beryl, massive disruption of a large utility. This could all be mitigated with adequate investment.https://t.co/1IV4vB67Ce
— Matt Lanza ๐ค๐ผ (@mattlanza) July 12, 2024Investments in grid helped speed restoration
— Debra Hale ๐บ๐ธโ๏ธ๐ฌ๐ฆ ๐๐ถโฎ๏ธ (@northerngirlWI) July 12, 2024
Over last 11 years, FPL has invested nearly $3 billion to make energy grid smarter, stronger & more storm-resilient, & those investments are paying off for customers. No hardened transmission structures โ the backbone of our systemโถ๏ธNo hardened transmission structures-the backbone of our system-were lost. All of FPL's substations were up & running within a day following Irma. Hardening helped make system more resilient and provided for a much faster restoration. @CenterPoint follow FPL investment strategy.
— Debra Hale ๐บ๐ธโ๏ธ๐ฌ๐ฆ ๐๐ถโฎ๏ธ (@northerngirlWI) July 12, 2024
New map say pending review for my area of 77008. I just walked my dog for over an hour and can see no apparent damage. When the derecho hit, there were lines and poles down all around and we had power in less than 36 hours. Dang
drmwvr said:
New map say pending review for my area of 77008. I just walked my dog for over an hour and can see no apparent damage. When the derecho hit, there were lines and poles down all around and we had power in less than 36 hours. Dang
This is what's frustrating. They seem to have a checklist order they are going through to do major repairs first over simple fixes.
How many homes (maybe like yours) are just waiting on a fuse to be fixed? In my case, the dude just opened the line to the area with lines down, fixed the fuse and I was up and running in 30 minutes.
I bet there are quite a few that could do that, but CenterPoint isn't prioritizing getting people up via easy fixes.
Project Gemini said:
The new map is pretty fun
For those that haven't seen it yet
And buddies of mine in areas that are "energized" still don't have power. I can't believe anything on this map good news or bad
In another cost-cutting measure, the CEO fired the summer intern and cancelled the company's license to MS paint and has turned the map updates over to his 3 year old.
I'm learning from a good friend that even though an area is energized, there could also be other damage that prevents them from restoring power to the homes. Also, they are having to restore more slowly because of the heatโฆ
"When it's super hot (or super cold) you can't pick all the load up at once bc it'll trip out on overload (like how your fridge was tripping the gen). You have to pick it up in small chunks and let the load settle out before you pick up more."
"Partially energized would be like yesterday when your power was back on,.but the neighbors were still out.
Fully energized is when everything is back on from the sub breaker to the end of the line"
However, the terminology they are using is very confusing and not helpful to the average customer. It's not helpful to provide status updates/changes if customers don't understand what they mean. Also, we already know the maps have been grossly inaccurate.
"When it's super hot (or super cold) you can't pick all the load up at once bc it'll trip out on overload (like how your fridge was tripping the gen). You have to pick it up in small chunks and let the load settle out before you pick up more."
"Partially energized would be like yesterday when your power was back on,.but the neighbors were still out.
Fully energized is when everything is back on from the sub breaker to the end of the line"
However, the terminology they are using is very confusing and not helpful to the average customer. It's not helpful to provide status updates/changes if customers don't understand what they mean. Also, we already know the maps have been grossly inaccurate.
Fully half of the Heights is "restoration date pending review". I cannot believe this level of incompetence at every level of Centerpoint. We got ROCKED in the derecho and were only out 2 days. It's been 5 daysโฆwhat are they still assessing??
I checked on the Village at the Heights today and they are barely holding on with fans and some portable ac units off their generator. These are memory care and assisted living patients โฆbreaks my heart. These are people's lives.
I checked on the Village at the Heights today and they are barely holding on with fans and some portable ac units off their generator. These are memory care and assisted living patients โฆbreaks my heart. These are people's lives.
"Give us more information and a better map!"
"No, not like that"
"No, not like that"
Posted it in the outage thread but find it quite comical that energized and pending date review are the same color family.
Making pending a vastly different color would bring too much attention to itโฆ.
Making pending a vastly different color would bring too much attention to itโฆ.
Azul88 said:Just a guess, but I doubt Northern girl WI is an expert at high voltage electricity much less distribution of electricity.AgLiving06 said:After Hurricane Irma in 2017, FP&L got over half their customers online within a day and all of them within 10 days. 4.4 million lost power. Worse than Beryl, massive disruption of a large utility. This could all be mitigated with adequate investment.https://t.co/1IV4vB67Ce
— Matt Lanza ๐ค๐ผ (@mattlanza) July 12, 2024Investments in grid helped speed restoration
— Debra Hale ๐บ๐ธโ๏ธ๐ฌ๐ฆ ๐๐ถโฎ๏ธ (@northerngirlWI) July 12, 2024
Over last 11 years, FPL has invested nearly $3 billion to make energy grid smarter, stronger & more storm-resilient, & those investments are paying off for customers. No hardened transmission structures โ the backbone of our systemโถ๏ธNo hardened transmission structures-the backbone of our system-were lost. All of FPL's substations were up & running within a day following Irma. Hardening helped make system more resilient and provided for a much faster restoration. @CenterPoint follow FPL investment strategy.
— Debra Hale ๐บ๐ธโ๏ธ๐ฌ๐ฆ ๐๐ถโฎ๏ธ (@northerngirlWI) July 12, 2024
I mean...it's not like FPL made it a secret...
Here you go:
https://www.fpl.com/reliability/system-improvements.html
Quote:
Since 2006, we've made significant investments to strengthen our electric system and make it more resilient to severe weather. We also continue to deploy innovative, industry-leading solutions to improve the grid investments that are paying off every day for our customers with better service reliability. And, when outages occur, these improvements help us restore your power faster. Here are some of the ways we strengthen the system:
- Inspecting power poles. We continuously inspect all of the 1.2 million power poles and replace those that don't meet our standards for strength.
- Maintain vegetation from power lines. Tree limbs and palm fronds growing near power lines are a common cause of power flickers and outages. We proactively review 15,000 miles of power lines each year, trimming vegetation where necessary to help prevent outages.
- Strengthening main power lines. We have strengthened or undergrounded 99% of our main power lines that serve critical community services, such as hospitals, police and fire stations, and emergency communication systems.
- Inspecting power lines. Infrared cameras can find otherwise undetectable issues with power lines and equipment. This infrared camera technology helps us locate many potential problems and address them before they cause an outage.
Quote:
Cutting-edge technology
We're investing in advanced smart grid technology and exploring emerging technologies, including small unmanned aircraft systems that help make the grid stronger and smarter, and improve service for our customers.
Smart grid upgrades help prevent power issues and, if your lights go out, help us get them back on faster. Smart grid technology, including smart meters and automated switches, improve reliability by:
- Helping identify and diagnose equipment issues early so we can service them proactively, preventing many outages before they occur.
- Automatically rerouting electricity around trouble spots, confining outages to smaller areas.
- Pinpointing the location of outages quickly often before customers call to report them so we can restore power faster.
There's also this powerpoint:
https://www.distributech.com/2024-distributech-international-conference-sessions/digging-deep-fpls-journey-to-lateral-hardening-by-2045#:~:text=No%20U.S.%20state%20faces%20the,technology%20at%20the%20grid's%20edge.
By 2045, FPL says they want to do the following:
Quote:
Had seen tremendous gains in SAIDI through successful implementations of IR and TSII on OH lines
o As the system becomes more and more UG, we saw a need to find ways to translate the success we had with OH smart grid technology on the growing UG system
Led to committing to harden 100% of lateral lines by 2045
Vast majority of the time, this includes undergrounding residential lines
This is the preferred option for new customers as well, and the natural growth of the system has been ~90% underground for decades
o 10-year filing plan committed to 9,000-12,800 lines we plan to UG by 2032
Because of the successes with IR and TSII, led to a natural collaboration with S&C to evaluate best technologies for UG applications
I know many of our resident experts will point out that FPL must have no clue what they are talking about when it comes to underground lines, but apparently that's how Florida out performs us.
They say the following:
UG - Underground Lines
OH - Overhead Lines
Quote:
In recent years:
o Hurricane Ian (Cat 5, 2022) = UG lines performed 6x better than OH
o Hurricane Idalia (Cat 4, 2023) = UG lines performed 12x better than OH
o UG lines perform 50% better in day-to-day operations
While we see the resiliency benefits of UG lines, our goal is that our customers do not experience any outages
I mean it only took 5 days to get more detailed information. These babies need to stop whining. Am I right?Zobel said:
"Give us more information and a better map!"
"No, not like that"
I am part of the problem and you're the victim...
The closest thing Florida has to our situation is Miami which hasn't had a direct hurricane since Andrew in 1992. That's completely irrelevant information.
Only Win98 MS paint colors are available. What do you think this is, Photoshop?htxag09 said:
Posted it in the outage thread but find it quite comical that energized and pending date review are the same color family.
Making pending a vastly different color would bring too much attention to itโฆ.
I am part of the problem and you're the victim...
So does pending review mean likely after 7/19? Or?
AgLA06 said:
The closest thing Florida has to our situation is Miami which hasn't had a direct hurricane since Andrew in 1992. That's completely irrelevant information.
Dude...take the loss.
You can simp for CenterPoint all you want, but it's clear they screwed up big time and need leadership changes and strategy changes.
And the LEAST they can do is communicate better. That's the easiest thing they can control. But there's been hardly ANY communication.
Just give me an idea. I don't care if it's bad news. Let people know so they can make plans.
Just give me an idea. I don't care if it's bad news. Let people know so they can make plans.
He's being intentionally obtuse. Knows he's wrong. Best to ignore.
Furlock Bones said:
He's being intentionally obtuse. Knows he's wrong. Best to ignore.
Except I'm not.
Every time someone has made a claim I've posted actual information that showed reality is the opposite. I'm still waiting for a single answer to back y'alls feelings.
dBoy99 said:I mean it only took 5 days to get more detailed information. These babies need to stop whining. Am I right?Zobel said:
"Give us more information and a better map!"
"No, not like that"
Not to mention, the color legend makes it look like blue is "better" (or farther along in the repair process) than orange - orange is assessment in progress and blue is circuits assigned for repair. Makes sense you gotta assess before you can assign for repair.
Yet, for three days, there were areas around me that I KNOW (Tues until today) had power that were orange and I was blue.
Then, magically in the update today, the areas that have had power for several days jumped to dark green, and my immediate area went to light green. Some of the areas that were orange went directly to dark green, skipping blue and light green entirely.
That map is given an extremely delayed "after the fact" status that is not helpful for measuring progress.
AgLiving06 said:AgLA06 said:
The closest thing Florida has to our situation is Miami which hasn't had a direct hurricane since Andrew in 1992. That's completely irrelevant information.
Dude...take the loss.
You can simp for CenterPoint all you want, but it's clear they screwed up big time and need leadership changes and strategy changes.
How specifically have they screwed up? I'm asking for factual details.
We'll there ya go Northern girl!AgLiving06 said:Azul88 said:Just a guess, but I doubt Northern girl WI is an expert at high voltage electricity much less distribution of electricity.AgLiving06 said:After Hurricane Irma in 2017, FP&L got over half their customers online within a day and all of them within 10 days. 4.4 million lost power. Worse than Beryl, massive disruption of a large utility. This could all be mitigated with adequate investment.https://t.co/1IV4vB67Ce
— Matt Lanza ๐ค๐ผ (@mattlanza) July 12, 2024Investments in grid helped speed restoration
— Debra Hale ๐บ๐ธโ๏ธ๐ฌ๐ฆ ๐๐ถโฎ๏ธ (@northerngirlWI) July 12, 2024
Over last 11 years, FPL has invested nearly $3 billion to make energy grid smarter, stronger & more storm-resilient, & those investments are paying off for customers. No hardened transmission structures โ the backbone of our systemโถ๏ธNo hardened transmission structures-the backbone of our system-were lost. All of FPL's substations were up & running within a day following Irma. Hardening helped make system more resilient and provided for a much faster restoration. @CenterPoint follow FPL investment strategy.
— Debra Hale ๐บ๐ธโ๏ธ๐ฌ๐ฆ ๐๐ถโฎ๏ธ (@northerngirlWI) July 12, 2024
I mean...it's not like FPL made it a secret...
Here you go:
https://www.fpl.com/reliability/system-improvements.htmlQuote:
Since 2006, we've made significant investments to strengthen our electric system and make it more resilient to severe weather. We also continue to deploy innovative, industry-leading solutions to improve the grid investments that are paying off every day for our customers with better service reliability. And, when outages occur, these improvements help us restore your power faster. Here are some of the ways we strengthen the system:
- Inspecting power poles. We continuously inspect all of the 1.2 million power poles and replace those that don't meet our standards for strength.
- Maintain vegetation from power lines. Tree limbs and palm fronds growing near power lines are a common cause of power flickers and outages. We proactively review 15,000 miles of power lines each year, trimming vegetation where necessary to help prevent outages.
- Strengthening main power lines. We have strengthened or undergrounded 99% of our main power lines that serve critical community services, such as hospitals, police and fire stations, and emergency communication systems.
- Inspecting power lines. Infrared cameras can find otherwise undetectable issues with power lines and equipment. This infrared camera technology helps us locate many potential problems and address them before they cause an outage.
Quote:
Cutting-edge technology
We're investing in advanced smart grid technology and exploring emerging technologies, including small unmanned aircraft systems that help make the grid stronger and smarter, and improve service for our customers.
Smart grid upgrades help prevent power issues and, if your lights go out, help us get them back on faster. Smart grid technology, including smart meters and automated switches, improve reliability by:
- Helping identify and diagnose equipment issues early so we can service them proactively, preventing many outages before they occur.
- Automatically rerouting electricity around trouble spots, confining outages to smaller areas.
- Pinpointing the location of outages quickly often before customers call to report them so we can restore power faster.
There's also this powerpoint:
https://www.distributech.com/2024-distributech-international-conference-sessions/digging-deep-fpls-journey-to-lateral-hardening-by-2045#:~:text=No%20U.S.%20state%20faces%20the,technology%20at%20the%20grid's%20edge.
By 2045, FPL says they want to do the following:Quote:
Had seen tremendous gains in SAIDI through successful implementations of IR and TSII on OH lines
o As the system becomes more and more UG, we saw a need to find ways to translate the success we had with OH smart grid technology on the growing UG system
Led to committing to harden 100% of lateral lines by 2045
Vast majority of the time, this includes undergrounding residential lines
This is the preferred option for new customers as well, and the natural growth of the system has been ~90% underground for decades
o 10-year filing plan committed to 9,000-12,800 lines we plan to UG by 2032
Because of the successes with IR and TSII, led to a natural collaboration with S&C to evaluate best technologies for UG applications
I know many of our resident experts will point out that FPL must have no clue what they are talking about when it comes to underground lines, but apparently that's how Florida out performs us.
They say the following:
UG - Underground Lines
OH - Overhead LinesQuote:
In recent years:
o Hurricane Ian (Cat 5, 2022) = UG lines performed 6x better than OH
o Hurricane Idalia (Cat 4, 2023) = UG lines performed 12x better than OH
o UG lines perform 50% better in day-to-day operations
While we see the resiliency benefits of UG lines, our goal is that our customers do not experience any outages
Just let people be frustrated man. You're only making it worse. Let it go.
In your head blue seems better than orange and assessing seems better than assigned for repair?
am I reading you correctly
maybe I'm wrong, but "assessing" sounds like "still figuring out wtf is wrong" and "assigned for repair" sounds like "we figured it out and somebody has been given the task"
in which case, blue > orange.
am I reading you correctly
maybe I'm wrong, but "assessing" sounds like "still figuring out wtf is wrong" and "assigned for repair" sounds like "we figured it out and somebody has been given the task"
in which case, blue > orange.
AgLA06 said:
The closest thing Florida has to our situation is Miami which hasn't had a direct hurricane since Andrew in 1992. That's completely irrelevant information.
Didn't Idalia hit Tampa last year?
Communication is my main beef with CenterPoint. I get that a hurricane hit and power doesn't just magically appear after a day or two like many on Ring/Nextdoor/Facebook think.
With that said, CenterPoint's communication has been awful. Like others have mentioned here, give it to us straight so that decisions can be made. If anything, give us worst case dates and then when power comes back early people will be happy that you overdelivered even if you were out of power for a week or more.
With that said, CenterPoint's communication has been awful. Like others have mentioned here, give it to us straight so that decisions can be made. If anything, give us worst case dates and then when power comes back early people will be happy that you overdelivered even if you were out of power for a week or more.
Zobel said:
"Give us more information and a better map!"
"No, not like that"
Still waiting on more information
swimmerbabe11 said:
In your head blue seems better than orange and assessing seems better than assigned for repair?
am I reading you correctly
maybe I'm wrong, but "assessing" sounds like "still figuring out wtf is wrong" and "assigned for repair" sounds like "we figured it out and somebody has been given the task"
in which case, blue > orange.
Yes. The legend goes like this:
Dark green - fully energized
Light green - partially energized
Blue - circuits assigned for repair
Orange - assessment in progress
Until today, there were areas around me that I knew had power that were orange (still being assessed). I was blue but did not have power.
The dark green was not always part of the legend. I think the first time I saw that was in the update today. There was a period of time when the list was light green, blue, orange.
The areas with power around me that had been orange were updated to dark green today. They were never blue or light green.
My immediate area was updated from blue to light green.
Edit - I did type orange and blue backwards in one part of my previous post. I fixed it, but it doesn't change my point about the confusion.
F/ck you guy. You haven't stated a single fact. Someone posted a tweet about how Florida was able to restore more power outages in a quicker amount of time from a hurricane last year and the you bring up a hurricane from 1993 as your "fact". Just shut the f/ck up already.
What does "Restoration Date Pending Review" mean?swimmerbabe11 said:
In your head blue seems better than orange and assessing seems better than assigned for repair?
am I reading you correctly
maybe I'm wrong, but "assessing" sounds like "still figuring out wtf is wrong" and "assigned for repair" sounds like "we figured it out and somebody has been given the task"
in which case, blue > orange.
Does it mean "still figuring out wtf is wrong" or "we figured it out and somebody has been given the task"?
I am part of the problem and you're the victim...
AgLA06 said:
The closest thing Florida has to our situation is Miami which hasn't had a direct hurricane since Andrew in 1992. That's completely irrelevant information.
Katrina says hi. Katrina was a Cat 1 when she rolled down US1. I lived two blocks from US1 at the time.
I shouldn't be snarky.
the complexity of trying to get this data accurate on a street by street/house by house basis is honestly incredible to me.
I think there is a lose/lose situation of giving information or giving it in an accurate or giving it in a timely manner.
lots of people want a ton of information, but barely had cell service this last week.
the complexity of trying to get this data accurate on a street by street/house by house basis is honestly incredible to me.
I think there is a lose/lose situation of giving information or giving it in an accurate or giving it in a timely manner.
lots of people want a ton of information, but barely had cell service this last week.
This is my question exactly and my big issue. I'm not educated enough to say for sure they should be moving faster because I honestly have no idea. But I know they sure could communicate better.
If anyone knows what this means please let us know
If anyone knows what this means please let us know