Teddy Perkins said:

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Head Ninja In Charge said:

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Recognize anyone in this vid? 1:15 mark.

My experience at Astroworld. RIP to those who lost their lives that night. #astroworld #travisscott pic.twitter.com/Bwo7KOAtol

— maximiliano alvarado (@MaxiPad32) November 6, 2021

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Baggy with his fam. Damn, last thing you want to see with your fam at a show.

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Ha, I thought that was Bagwell walking by.

Was that Travis Scott music in the background? That was pretty bad, auto tuned to hell talk/singing.

well, danger and crowd aside thats a lot of people with horrible taste in "music".....jumping up and down screaming cuss words on auto tune. talent.

Several years ago A&M played Louisville at the Music City Bowl in Nashville (2014 or 2015 I believe). My wife is a big Chris Stapleton fan, so we went for the game and New Years celebration on Broadway. CS was the #2 guy and local stars, The Kings of Leon were the headliners.

We wanted to be decently close for the CS portion of the show, so we got in a little early and waited around as other concerts played on the main stage (in front of us) and the second stage (behind us). When CS came on there was a huge rush of people pushing to the front. We just kept getting squished tighter and tighter, with nowhere to go.

Midway through we decide we've had enough and try to leave. As we start pushing our way to the back of the crowd, things got tighter. At one point it felt like you could lift your feet and you wouldn't fall. Women were crying, people looked ready to pass out. Guys were fighting. It was hot in the crowd, but 30* outside. We eventually just put our back into it and fought our way to the outside of the mass.

The city estimated that there were over 200k people in town for NYE, and most of those people were on Broadway for the concert, music note drop, and fireworks. After this experience, I can absolutely understand how something like what happened at Astroworld would go down.

I like to think I'm pretty open minded when it comes to music and I will gladly listen to about anything, but holy **** does that music suck. I was expecting it to have some crazy, high-intensity beat or something that actually makes people "rage" like Travis Scott is telling his fans to do. I know I'm not his target audience, but that is awful.

Did not expect to see Baggy emerge from the crowd

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Yeah, Travis looking down on a dude that was basically dead being dragged out of the crowd and not missing a beat is pretty f-ed up.

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People probably pass out at most of his shows, just like people pass out at Kyle. No way for him to know the person's actual condition from his vantage point. Then, what's he supposed to do? If he just stopped the show all together, things would not have gotten calmer, it would have been an all out riot, like the Riverport Riot in 1990 only probably much worse.

The visual aspect of the show looked pretty great. If people liked the audio part, then good for them.

I've been in plenty of mosh situations. But as a guy who is only 5'7" when stretching, I know when I need to back out of a crowd that is getting too rowdy/packed for me. Unfortunately it looks like those that wanted to back out didnt have that option due to just how jam packed the crowd was.

The stage design and visual effects are pretty impressive. I enjoyed the Astroworld album and some of his other songs. Never had the urge to see him live because most rap music does not sound good live, and college football games are about the only crowd I can stand now days

I get anxious being around large groups of people. I would have a full on panic attack here....even if something like this was happening or not. Man I feel bad for the families of these kids.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see the appeal of moshing at all

https://uknowledge.uky.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1030&context=klj

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A large number of people alone is insufficient to create a dangerous crowd density. A gathering of over 50,000 people could stay at a very low crowd density if spread out over two square miles of open space, as, for instance, at the popular Burning Man festival that occurs each year in the Nevada desert. Instead, it is "[t]he configuration, capacity, and traffic processing capabilities of assembly facilities" rather than the sheer number of attendees that determines crowd density and thus the degree of crowding. Two types of physical space configurations in particular drastically increase the risk of a crowd crush occurring: bottlenecks and festival seating.

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2. Unassigned ("Festival") Seating-Venues that host music concerts and other large performance events often utilize one of two forms of unassigned seating (although both forms are often collectively referred to as "festival seating" arrangements): (1) festival "seating" in which the entire event is standing room only and there are either no or only a limited number of reserved seats for attendees, and (2) general admission seating, in which there are seats available for crowd members but most or all of them are unreserved. In both of these arrangements, valuable space within a given venue is "up for grabs." When the doors to the event are opened, the waiting crowd must rush to get the best positions inside, usually those up front closest to the entertainment. Many entertainers strongly prefer such arrangements. U2, for instance, "will not sign a contract with any venue unless it permits festival seating," and Bruce Springsteen has noted that he likes the "energy" and "vibe" of such shows, where fans are packed in dose to the stage where he is performing.

Despite its appeal to industry performers, however, festival seating arrangements pose a very high risk of crowd-related injuries. The National Fire Protection Administration has stated that festival seating at live entertainment events should be "expected to result in overcrowding and high audience density that may compromise public safety," and a number of crowd science experts have named festival seating as the "the principal culprit in most crowd crush cases." Indeed, "[o]ne estimate suggests that ninety percent of all concert injuries occur at festival-seating and general-admission concerts." The high likelihood of injuries in these scenarios arises from two factors.

First, in festival seating and general admission situations, crowd members must "compete for favorable seats or standing positions close to entertainers," creating a "rush to obtain some highly valued objective." This sense of competition may induce large crowds to gather hours before an event is scheduled to begin in hopes of securing a spot at the front of the line (thus seemingly increasing the chances that a preferred spot within the venue will be attained when the doors finally open). These gatherings, in turn, can create high-density crowds both outside the venue and in entryways and corridors when venue doors are opened and the crowd pushes through the entrance(s) in a rush to get the best positions. The Who concert disaster discussed above involved exactly this scenario:

For more than 14,000 fans--out of approximately 18,500 the only viewing options inside [the venue] were festival seating.., or general admission.... That is why thousands of loyal Who fans came to the concert hours early to stand in the chilled wintry evening. They knew that the best concert viewing positions would be up for grabs once the doors opened. Anticipation ran high as the friendly crowd amassed.

Once the doors opened, "the waiting crowd rushed the entrance to get the best positions inside. The result, as described above, was pandemonium and a deadly crowd crush.

More recently, two concertgoers allege that a similar incident occurred at a December 2013 Beyonc6 concert in Chicago, Illinois. General admission ticket holders assembled outside the arena hours before the concert was slated to begin, and "[a]s the hours passed, the group became larger, more dense and more anxious about how, when and where the gate(s) would be released." When the gates were finally opened, the crowd allegedly rushed into the arena and trampled the plaintiffs, leaving them with broken bones and other injuries. The resulting lawsuit is still pending.

Second, once inside the venue and in place (at least theoretically), crowd crushes can occur when crowd members push forward towards the stage (or other location of the entertainment) once a performance begins. The density towards the front of the crowd can reach dangerous levels quickly, and crowd members at the very front may be pinned against the stage itself. A crowd crush incident arising out of a 2002 Eminem performance at RFK Stadium in Washington, DC, provides an unfortunate yet clear demonstration of this phenomenon in action. The Baltimore Sun reports:

Rap star Eminem was on the stage at about 7:40 p.m. when fans started pushing toward him. He stopped playing at least once and cautioned fans to calm down and stop pushing, witnesses said. But the surging crowd continued to push, crushing some against the stage... . "'There was nowhere we could go; everybody was pushing down, trying to get out," said Justin Kronmeyer, 17, of Hanover, Pa. "People were screaming. There were girls getting trampled. People came from every direction.

Thirty people were injured, including one young crowd member who went into cardiac arrest.

C. Crowd Psychology Despite what the incidents described above may suggest to people not well versed in crowd science, studies have consistently shown that crowd behavior is rarely irrational or "crazed." Instead, scientists have found the opposite: "that an unorchestrated crowd behaves rationally. Scientists assert that this rationality is present in crowds because, in most situations, "members of the crowds have dear knowledge of what and where their goals lie": entering a stadium, moving closer to the entertainment, returning to the parking lot, etc.

Furthermore, despite what media accounts of crowd incidents may suggest, there is very little evidence suggesting that crowds are prone to panic or unreasonable behavior. Not only are documented cases of true crowd panic "surprisingly scarce in the literature, closer investigation of such incidents usually reveals both (a) that the crowd responded rationally to a real or perceived threat,' and (b) that "[u]nregulated competition, which is crucial to most explanations of panic, did not occur," but rather "cooperative behavior continued throughout the course of the event. Even in situations in which crowds have reacted dramatically to a real or perceived threat, subsequent investigations have almost always shown that "flight was a reasonable group reaction under the perceived circumstances" and that "mutual cooperation and assistance" rather than "destructive behavior" was the norm among individuals within the group.

However, crowds are often unfairly deemed irrational or "out of control," because of a characteristic that is inherent in almost every crowd, particularly those of high densities: the lack of communication between the front of the crowd and the back. "People in a crowd do not have a broad view of what is happening around them," notes one crowd expert. Instead, "[p]sychologists have likened a crowd to a series of intermeshing behavioral cells. Each cell is comprised of a small group of surrounding people, with limited communication between them. As a result, when crowds reach high-risk densities, people at the back of the crowd may continue to press forward even though individuals at the front of the crowd are in severe distress. Indeed, unless the venue has some way of both overseeing and addressing the entire crowd, members at the back of the crowd have virtually no way of knowing that a crisis is occurring up front. Moreover, in many situations, "[t]he collapsing of the front ranks [of the crowd] gives a false perception of forward movement" so that individuals at the back of the crowd may reasonably believe that all is well and that the crowd is continuing to move forward smoothly. Thus, contrary to frequent allegations that crowd members behaved badly during crowd crushes, the overwhelming bulk of available evidence suggests that crowd members behaved rationally under the circumstances in virtually every crowd crush incident on record.

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The appeal is exactly what Travis Scott's show is about Rage. Its a chance to legally (usually) just get rough with people without the intent to do serious injury. You can go head up with someone, knock each other around, shake it off, slap hands and get back to rocking. Some of us have the rage monster inside of us and its a great way to get it out.

This was not traditional moshing by any means (no room for it), this was an overcrowded safety hazard.

Oh yeah, I know what moshing/raging is. I have friends who love it. I've just never been able to wrap my mind around the appeal of it.

Different strokes for different folks!

so this pretty much goes inline with what has already been posted her (eyewitness account of travis scott being a D-bag). like if we needed anymore proof, hes dating a freaking kardashian.

Travis Scott’s former manager speaks out: “Travis Scott is the worst person I worked with in my entire career”pic.twitter.com/wTrBTBSquN

— Libs of Tik Tok (@libsoftiktok) November 8, 2021

I feel a huge overcorrection coming in the concert/festival space because of all of this. What a ****ing mess.

Jackal99 said:

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And halted Billy Joel ticket sales. Billy ****ing Joel...

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Freaking clown world... unreal.

Easy, Rod said:

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I don't care how rich Travis Scott is, he is a wannabe poser who couldn't hack it in the hood so he moved to Mo City like a little b tch.

It's like a local retelling of Don't Be Menace to South Central… or Next Friday but not as funny as either.

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tell us more about your own hood credentials, since you know so much

What did the Mo City Don Mr Z.RO have to say about that?

Can't wait till he gets sent to prison and his mother tells us he was a good boy and was interested in attending community college to get his mri technician certification

Coog97 said:

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Jackal99 said:

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And halted Billy Joel ticket sales. Billy ****ing Joel...

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Freaking clown world... unreal.

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2 things

1. There will be much less fentanyl used here. Not none, but less.

2. Have you seen the reaction when he goes into Scenes from an Italian Restaurant?