terradactylexpress said:
We can't and we haven't. With or without government intervention.
SirLurksALot said:terradactylexpress said:
We can't and we haven't. With or without government intervention.
Complete lie. Covid is a mild illness and needs to be treated accordingly. The only reason most people aren't living normally is because the government won't allow it.
Build It said:SirLurksALot said:terradactylexpress said:
We can't and we haven't. With or without government intervention.
Complete lie. Covid is a mild illness and needs to be treated accordingly. The only reason most people aren't living normally is because the government won't allow it.
Do you really believe that?
Build It said:
People I've known.
Boss-62 - 5 days straight if 102 temp
Son- 18 - no symptoms
Wife's uncle 79, critical condition
Coworker grandparent, 96 dead
Friend father 86, dead
Local restaurant owner friend, 63, dead
I hope you don't have any old people close to you.
Build It said:
Let me get this straight your willing to risk the life of your parents, grandparents, your immune compromised baby sitter. For what?
terradactylexpress said:
No they are supposed to stay at home, yet still contribute to the economy...
dragmagpuff said:
The idea that the only thing keeping people from engaging in normal economic activity is the government saying they can't is absurd.
Even when restaurants in Texas were allowed to be open at 75% capacity (-25%), they didn't come close to hitting that. According to OpenTable, Texas reservations were still -53.7% year over year for the Month of June. Houston was -59%. If the government was the only thing holding people back, that should be -25%.
In comparison for the month of June, Germany was only -14%.
I personally am not worried about getting the virus. I'm young and relatively healthy. I would just rather be able to visit my at-risk parents with out worrying about it then go drink at a bar or eat in restaurants. I also get a flu vaccine to keep them from getting the flu from me.
dragmagpuff said:
The idea that the only thing keeping people from engaging in normal economic activity is the government saying they can't is absurd.
Even when restaurants in Texas were allowed to be open at 75% capacity (-25%), they didn't come close to hitting that. According to OpenTable, Texas reservations were still -53.7% year over year for the Month of June. Houston was -59%. If the government was the only thing holding people back, that should be -25%.
In comparison for the month of June, Germany was only -14%.
I personally am not worried about getting the virus. I'm young and relatively healthy. I would just rather be able to visit my at-risk parents with out worrying about it then go drink at a bar or eat in restaurants. I also get a flu vaccine to keep them from getting the flu from me.
SirLurksALot said:dragmagpuff said:
The idea that the only thing keeping people from engaging in normal economic activity is the government saying they can't is absurd.
Even when restaurants in Texas were allowed to be open at 75% capacity (-25%), they didn't come close to hitting that. According to OpenTable, Texas reservations were still -53.7% year over year for the Month of June. Houston was -59%. If the government was the only thing holding people back, that should be -25%.
In comparison for the month of June, Germany was only -14%.
I personally am not worried about getting the virus. I'm young and relatively healthy. I would just rather be able to visit my at-risk parents with out worrying about it then go drink at a bar or eat in restaurants. I also get a flu vaccine to keep them from getting the flu from me.
If people weren't going out then why did we have to shut down bars, beaches, and state parks again?
If we had kept things open more people would've gone out over time once they realized that there was nothing to fear. Government fear mongering is just as damaging to the economy as the lockdowns.
dragmagpuff said:SirLurksALot said:dragmagpuff said:
The idea that the only thing keeping people from engaging in normal economic activity is the government saying they can't is absurd.
Even when restaurants in Texas were allowed to be open at 75% capacity (-25%), they didn't come close to hitting that. According to OpenTable, Texas reservations were still -53.7% year over year for the Month of June. Houston was -59%. If the government was the only thing holding people back, that should be -25%.
In comparison for the month of June, Germany was only -14%.
I personally am not worried about getting the virus. I'm young and relatively healthy. I would just rather be able to visit my at-risk parents with out worrying about it then go drink at a bar or eat in restaurants. I also get a flu vaccine to keep them from getting the flu from me.
If people weren't going out then why did we have to shut down bars, beaches, and state parks again?
If we had kept things open more people would've gone out over time once they realized that there was nothing to fear. Government fear mongering is just as damaging to the economy as the lockdowns.
I'm not saying that a lot of people weren't going out. I'm saying that a significant number of people are deciding to not go out.
And I am also saying that Germany, a country which was slower in their reopening and hasn't had flare ups , has much higher economic participation.
There are more new hospitalizations in Houston than Germany had new cases yesterday. It's no surprise to me that they're getting back to normal in a quicker and more sustainable way.
texagbeliever said:dragmagpuff said:
The idea that the only thing keeping people from engaging in normal economic activity is the government saying they can't is absurd.
Even when restaurants in Texas were allowed to be open at 75% capacity (-25%), they didn't come close to hitting that. According to OpenTable, Texas reservations were still -53.7% year over year for the Month of June. Houston was -59%. If the government was the only thing holding people back, that should be -25%.
In comparison for the month of June, Germany was only -14%.
I personally am not worried about getting the virus. I'm young and relatively healthy. I would just rather be able to visit my at-risk parents with out worrying about it then go drink at a bar or eat in restaurants. I also get a flu vaccine to keep them from getting the flu from me.
Now imagine you were a bartender, bar owner, waiter, restraint owner, etc and your livelihood was now stopped. What is more important visiting your parents or providing a living for your family (possibly supplicating your at risk parents income)? Stop being so selfish and thinking about this as between you having fun and your family instead of thinking about this as the minority whose livelihoods are being destroyed so that some extremely at risk people dont die (earlier then they otherwise would).
terradactylexpress said:
Right, because they have the outbreak under control.
SirLurksALot said:dragmagpuff said:SirLurksALot said:dragmagpuff said:
The idea that the only thing keeping people from engaging in normal economic activity is the government saying they can't is absurd.
Even when restaurants in Texas were allowed to be open at 75% capacity (-25%), they didn't come close to hitting that. According to OpenTable, Texas reservations were still -53.7% year over year for the Month of June. Houston was -59%. If the government was the only thing holding people back, that should be -25%.
In comparison for the month of June, Germany was only -14%.
I personally am not worried about getting the virus. I'm young and relatively healthy. I would just rather be able to visit my at-risk parents with out worrying about it then go drink at a bar or eat in restaurants. I also get a flu vaccine to keep them from getting the flu from me.
If people weren't going out then why did we have to shut down bars, beaches, and state parks again?
If we had kept things open more people would've gone out over time once they realized that there was nothing to fear. Government fear mongering is just as damaging to the economy as the lockdowns.
I'm not saying that a lot of people weren't going out. I'm saying that a significant number of people are deciding to not go out.
And I am also saying that Germany, a country which was slower in their reopening and hasn't had flare ups , has much higher economic participation.
There are more new hospitalizations in Houston than Germany had new cases yesterday. It's no surprise to me that they're getting back to normal in a quicker and more sustainable way.
Germany also did a much better job controlling their outbreak at the beginning. No city in Germany had "horror stories" coming out like the New York area did. It's expected that their population would feel comfortable returning to normal sooner.
dragmagpuff said:SirLurksALot said:dragmagpuff said:SirLurksALot said:dragmagpuff said:
The idea that the only thing keeping people from engaging in normal economic activity is the government saying they can't is absurd.
Even when restaurants in Texas were allowed to be open at 75% capacity (-25%), they didn't come close to hitting that. According to OpenTable, Texas reservations were still -53.7% year over year for the Month of June. Houston was -59%. If the government was the only thing holding people back, that should be -25%.
In comparison for the month of June, Germany was only -14%.
I personally am not worried about getting the virus. I'm young and relatively healthy. I would just rather be able to visit my at-risk parents with out worrying about it then go drink at a bar or eat in restaurants. I also get a flu vaccine to keep them from getting the flu from me.
If people weren't going out then why did we have to shut down bars, beaches, and state parks again?
If we had kept things open more people would've gone out over time once they realized that there was nothing to fear. Government fear mongering is just as damaging to the economy as the lockdowns.
I'm not saying that a lot of people weren't going out. I'm saying that a significant number of people are deciding to not go out.
And I am also saying that Germany, a country which was slower in their reopening and hasn't had flare ups , has much higher economic participation.
There are more new hospitalizations in Houston than Germany had new cases yesterday. It's no surprise to me that they're getting back to normal in a quicker and more sustainable way.
Germany also did a much better job controlling their outbreak at the beginning. No city in Germany had "horror stories" coming out like the New York area did. It's expected that their population would feel comfortable returning to normal sooner.
That's my whole point. There is no reason why Texas couldn't have responded similar to Germany. We delayed a NY or Italy first wave. But we had no interest in using tools other than economic self destruction to keep the virus under control. Germany limited their long term economic damage with targeted government support, and has got the virus in a manageable state. 250 cases and declining. More economic activity. Lower unemployment.
