As I said above, I don't think that many people (if any) are contracting the virus while shopping at HEB or Home Depot.

I wear a mask when I'm out running errands, but I don't consider that to be high-risk, because I don't get close to anyone, and certainly not for an extended period of time. Even at work, we are keeping our 6 ft distance (and wearing masks).

From what I understand, it requires close contact with an infected individual for a somewhat extended period of time to contract it.

We have avoided church (although mine has implemented protocols that ~should~ keep people safe). And I'm minimizing anything that requires close physical contact with a stranger (ie, no trips to the nail salon). I'm too old to hang out at bars, so that's not a problem. I'll take a hard pass on any trips to theme parks or other crowded areas (a coworker was planning a trip to Six Flags but cancelled because of weather).

I don't expect everyone else to make these same decisions, but I don't support another shutdown, either.

Not to mention some HCWs will contract it and have to stay home for 2 weeks.

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if the vector pool gets large enough yes you would see infections at places you previously didn't expect

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In theory, but it seems like you would still have to have close contact for an extended period of time with an infected person. I really don't think two people at HEB passing each other in the cereal aisle is going to be a significant source of transmission. Same thing if you're at a restaurant and the closest table with people is 6 ft away.

Now, letting a nail tech breathe on you for an hour while you get your gel manicure probably is higher risk. Same with sitting at a crowded bar. But let people decide for themselves how important fake nails and bar-hopping are. Forced closures shouldn't even be an option for consideration again.

AgsMyDude said:

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Not to mention some HCWs will contract it and have to stay home for 2 weeks.

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If there is enough PPE and hospital staff are using it correctly, then an increase in hospitalizations does not mean more health care workers will get sick.

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So we just stop elective procedures until herd immunity or a vaccine happens?

Most elective procedures aren't elective in the sense that the are cosmetic etc, but delaying long term would have a much more negative impact on our cities well being as cancers etc are not found or treated as quickly.


What level of ICU occupancy for covid do you suggest? 50% 75%?

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That should be left up to each hospital's discretion. It's not something politicians should be dictating.

TXTransplant said:

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AgsMyDude said:

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Not to mention some HCWs will contract it and have to stay home for 2 weeks.

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If there is enough PPE and hospital staff are using it correctly, then an increase in hospitalizations does not mean more health care workers will get sick.

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More frequent encounters (particularly if the hospital is completely full) = more risk, no?

NJ data showed frontline HCWs were more likely to get it via in home spread than at work

the PPE was working

Source? Even If that's true the logic follows. The more encounters, the more the risk to bring it home. I'll be floored if HCW is Houston are completely fine and some don't get sick.

AgsMyDude said:

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TXTransplant said:

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AgsMyDude said:

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Not to mention some HCWs will contract it and have to stay home for 2 weeks.

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If there is enough PPE and hospital staff are using it correctly, then an increase in hospitalizations does not mean more health care workers will get sick.

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More frequent encounters (particularly if the hospital is completely full) = more risk, no?

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In theory, yes, but that's the purpose of PPE (assuming it's used correctly) - to eliminate the risk that comes with increased exposure.

PPE doesn't lose its effectiveness just because there are more patients.

In the email update I got today:

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County News
Message from Montgomery County Hospital CEOs
The Woodlands Township has received the following message from the Montgomery County Hospital CEOs: "We are asking our community and government leaders to help support our local hospitals and health care workers by encouraging mask coverings in all public places, social distancing with limited gathering of people, and proper hand hygiene."

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MoCo has 724 active cases as of today and reported the death Of a 40 year old Conroe man.

Anyone know what the status is on ventilators?

We keep hearing about ICU capacity up but we're not hearing the concern about ventilators like we did with the first wave?

Guess it could be they got ventilators but curious what percentage of ICU patients are ventilated.

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiYjU5MzU4NjAtZWJjMC00MTllLTkwYjYtMzE4ODY1YjAyMGU2IiwidCI6ImI3MjgwODdjLTgwZTgtNGQzMS04YjZmLTdlMGUzYmUxMGUwOCIsImMiOjN9

Over 1300 adult vents available

TXTransplant said:

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terradactylexpress said:

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So we just stop elective procedures until herd immunity or a vaccine happens?

Most elective procedures aren't elective in the sense that the are cosmetic etc, but delaying long term would have a much more negative impact on our cities well being as cancers etc are not found or treated as quickly.


What level of ICU occupancy for covid do you suggest? 50% 75%?

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That should be left up to each hospital's discretion. It's not something politicians should be dictating.

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I'm not asking the government, I'm asking soupnazi his opinion

I'll have to dig up the tweet from a month ago

I'm obligated to attend a wedding on July 4 in Galveston.
Anybody want to give their take on the odds this actually happens?

flnk06 said:

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Too many people see the ages of covid deaths and try to play it off like it's no big deal. However, the issue is much larger than that. With ICU beds reaching capacity very soon, that means people in automobile accidents, people that fall and hit their heads, victims of violence, people who get severely burned (i.e. things that happen to people of all ages regardless of comorbidities) may not be able to get into a place with the proper resources and staff that are more familiar with treatment. People are still going to be having heart attacks, strokes, fall into septic shock, etc., and they often times need ICU care as well.

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Bingo.

I don't know what it's like but it seems like the ICUs were at 70% capacity anyway, which is concerning. And this drive it up near 100. And we have a plan to help mitigate it. Which we should. What do you want?

SoupNazi2001 said:

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Jim Bianco is a big bear on the financial market and a finance guy so color me that he is biased and has an agenda. Let's all panic and shut it down though.

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He's a bear now that's true but he's not always been. He's no chicken little and is and has been well respected for many years across many market cycles.

Anyway in this case he's just reporting the same data as many others.