How would a shelter in place in Harris county affect the chemical plants? Can you imagine the impact if they are told to shutdown...

Cstrickland05 said:

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Harris County expected to shelter-in-place 'very soon': Dallas County Judge says
https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/03/23/harris-county-expected-to-shelter-in-place-very-soon-dallas-county-judge-says/

Press conference tomorrow morning at 9:30

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So you mean to tell me that tomorrow evening I may not be legally allowed to take a walk around my neighborhood (where I have been giving wide berths to anyone I encounter) without having an essential reason. I get that I can likely continue doing so, but the fact that it is being outlawed is ****ing lunacy.

The list of essential businesses is long and distinguished

Read the info about the Dallas County order.

https://www.khou.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/dallas-county-judge-clay-jenkins-orders-shelter-in-place-order-from-monday-until-april-3/287-ff6d4fce-c590-4b4a-8f97-d8b3e1692873

Exceptions include medical care, trips to the grocery store, outdoor exercise and other events that contribute to health or safety but allow for social distancing.

TXTransplant said:

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Read the info about the Dallas County order.

https://www.khou.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/dallas-county-judge-clay-jenkins-orders-shelter-in-place-order-from-monday-until-april-3/287-ff6d4fce-c590-4b4a-8f97-d8b3e1692873

Exceptions include medical care, trips to the grocery store, outdoor exercise and other events that contribute to health or safety but allow for social distancing.

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I'm stupid for not reading the entire document.

The document is stupid for it's broad definition of essential activity. I'm glad it is so broad, but it certainly includes more than essential activity.

Hope they don't ban the beach. It's been a nice way to get the kids some fresh air and social distancing has not been an issue. Most folds are 50 yards away.

aggietony2010 said:

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TXTransplant said:

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Read the info about the Dallas County order.

https://www.khou.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/dallas-county-judge-clay-jenkins-orders-shelter-in-place-order-from-monday-until-april-3/287-ff6d4fce-c590-4b4a-8f97-d8b3e1692873

Exceptions include medical care, trips to the grocery store, outdoor exercise and other events that contribute to health or safety but allow for social distancing.

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I'm stupid for not reading the entire document.

The document is stupid for it's broad definition of essential activity. I'm glad it is so broad, but it certainly includes more than essential activity.

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You're not stupid. We are all on edge which is giving us a tendency to jump to worst-case-scenario conclusions.

If people would just stay the heck home, we wouldn't need gov't issuing these types of orders. Because all they are is a written version of what we've already been told to do!

Hulla Baller said:

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How would a shelter in place in Harris county affect the chemical plants? Can you imagine the impact if they are told to shutdown...

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It won't. Where do you think manufacturers are going to get plastic and other materials to make PPE? And where do you think freight companies are going to get fuel to deliver all of those medical supplies?

Besides, even when shut down, these plants need a crew on-site. You don't just turn them of and walk away.

The majors all probably have plans in place already, whether it is trailers on-site so key personnel (ie, operators) don't ever have to leave or changed to rotation shifts to minimize turnover (ie, 14 on/14 off).

The last thing any major wants is an outbreak in a control room that takes out an operations crew.

TXTransplant said:

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aggietony2010 said:

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TXTransplant said:

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Read the info about the Dallas County order.

https://www.khou.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/dallas-county-judge-clay-jenkins-orders-shelter-in-place-order-from-monday-until-april-3/287-ff6d4fce-c590-4b4a-8f97-d8b3e1692873

Exceptions include medical care, trips to the grocery store, outdoor exercise and other events that contribute to health or safety but allow for social distancing.

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I'm stupid for not reading the entire document.

The document is stupid for it's broad definition of essential activity. I'm glad it is so broad, but it certainly includes more than essential activity.

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You're not stupid. We are all on edge which is giving us a tendency to jump to worst-case-scenario conclusions.

If people would just stay the heck home, we wouldn't need gov't issuing these types of orders. Because all they are is a written version of what we've already been told to do!

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This is what drives me crazy. Most people here are doing this. We just went to Social Distancing last week. We sure it's not working?

aggietony2010 said:

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TXTransplant said:

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aggietony2010 said:

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TXTransplant said:

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Read the info about the Dallas County order.

https://www.khou.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/dallas-county-judge-clay-jenkins-orders-shelter-in-place-order-from-monday-until-april-3/287-ff6d4fce-c590-4b4a-8f97-d8b3e1692873

Exceptions include medical care, trips to the grocery store, outdoor exercise and other events that contribute to health or safety but allow for social distancing.

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I'm stupid for not reading the entire document.

The document is stupid for it's broad definition of essential activity. I'm glad it is so broad, but it certainly includes more than essential activity.

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You're not stupid. We are all on edge which is giving us a tendency to jump to worst-case-scenario conclusions.

If people would just stay the heck home, we wouldn't need gov't issuing these types of orders.

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Shelter-in-place is a really terrible name for it. That conjures up images of poison gas leaks and other things that would literally make you stay inside your house except for fire reasons. It also didn't help that I listened to an interview with someone it Italy where the phrase meant just that. In order to leave your property you had to have a form prefilled out with your destination.

And we have been staying home. I've gone to the store a couple times and to a drive thru once. My wife went to the grocery store once. My dad came over to our house once, where I placed a tray of rolls on his passenger seat.

It really should be called mandatory social distancing.

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I agree. I've also only been to the store once since the SHTF. Maybe they think calling it shelter in place will scare people into staying home?

And I didn't mean to imply that you haven't been staying home. I just know plenty of people have not been.

CowtownAg06 said:

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TXTransplant said:

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aggietony2010 said:

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TXTransplant said:

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Read the info about the Dallas County order.

https://www.khou.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/dallas-county-judge-clay-jenkins-orders-shelter-in-place-order-from-monday-until-april-3/287-ff6d4fce-c590-4b4a-8f97-d8b3e1692873

Exceptions include medical care, trips to the grocery store, outdoor exercise and other events that contribute to health or safety but allow for social distancing.

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I'm stupid for not reading the entire document.

The document is stupid for it's broad definition of essential activity. I'm glad it is so broad, but it certainly includes more than essential activity.

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You're not stupid. We are all on edge which is giving us a tendency to jump to worst-case-scenario conclusions.

If people would just stay the heck home, we wouldn't need gov't issuing these types of orders. Because all they are is a written version of what we've already been told to do!

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This is what drives me crazy. Most people here are doing this. We just went to Social Distancing last week. We sure it's not working?

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I think the point is to not find out that social distancing isn't working because then it's too late.

Problem is, I'm doubt these orders will change the behavior of those who simply don't want to comply.

aggietony2010 said:

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TXTransplant said:

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aggietony2010 said:

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TXTransplant said:

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Read the info about the Dallas County order.

https://www.khou.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/dallas-county-judge-clay-jenkins-orders-shelter-in-place-order-from-monday-until-april-3/287-ff6d4fce-c590-4b4a-8f97-d8b3e1692873

Exceptions include medical care, trips to the grocery store, outdoor exercise and other events that contribute to health or safety but allow for social distancing.

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I'm stupid for not reading the entire document.

The document is stupid for it's broad definition of essential activity. I'm glad it is so broad, but it certainly includes more than essential activity.

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You're not stupid. We are all on edge which is giving us a tendency to jump to worst-case-scenario conclusions.

If people would just stay the heck home, we wouldn't need gov't issuing these types of orders.

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Shelter-in-place is a really terrible name for it. That conjures up images of poison gas leaks and other things that would literally make you stay inside your house except for dire reasons. It also didn't help that I listened to an interview with someone it Italy where the phrase meant just that. In order to leave your property you had to have a form prefilled out with your destination.

And we have been staying home. I've gone to the store a couple times and to a drive thru once. My wife went to the grocery store once. My dad came over to our house once, where I placed a tray of rolls on his passenger seat.

It really should be called mandatory social distancing.

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Exactly. The name for it is terrible. All it will do is create panic for people that half ass pay attention.Turner needs to make is extremely clear what will still be open.

Haven't been out. So people are more concerned with someone cutting in line rather than maintaining social distancing?

My work requires me to come in even though we're consultants.

I've been the person to go out in our household.

Going out, the people I see don't follow any of the suggestions. At the grocery store I see groups of old people talking and hugging each other in line. With signs saying to distance.

The target group we're trying to keep safe.

Then talking about how this is a big overblown issue and everything is fine.

And this isn't a single one time event. Of the 4 times I've gone to the store, I've seen at least one set of these geriatrics.


I also think the order is for my companies like mine to finally force WFH that don't really need to have people come in.

Since about 3/4 of my company is 60+, overweight and have massive health issues.

~egon

I posted this on the Politics thread but thought it fit here too.

Dallas County lied at their press conference and doctored the data from the website. While I disagree with the data itself on the website, what Dallas County did amounts to criminal.


The 4 categories listed on the website are these, not what was presented:

1. No action

2. Three months of social distancing

3. Three months of shelter in place

4. Three months of Wuhan style Lockdown.

The category Dallas County "changed" to Texas style has these assumptions:

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• Delay/Distancing
• Goal: Delay the overloading of the healthcares system to minimize unnecessary deaths, while minimizing damage to the economy
• Duration: 3 months (12 weeks)
• Measures: Voluntary "shelter-in-place" for high-risk groups, ban on events over 50 people, public advocacy around "social distancing" and enhanced hygiene, possible school closures, restricted travel, and passive monitoring. Roll-out of population-wide testing and quarantine, so that quarantines can be relaxed for those who are not infected.
• After-effects: Measures likely to be extended for 12-18 months in order to fully #flattenthecurve

R0 assumptions: 1.7 for 3 months. Based on rough extrapolation of reducing 50% of overall transmission opportunities in society, thus cutting a worst-cases R0 of ~3.2 to roughly 1.7.

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That's clearly not the "Texas style" that the Dallas County talked about.

The category Dallas County "changed" to California style has these assumptions:

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• "Shelter-in-place" Containment/Delay
• Goal: Ideally fully contain disease until vaccine is developed, or at least delay spread until healthcare capacity can be built and therapeutic becomes available
• Duration: 3 months (12 weeks)
• Measures: Voluntary/VolunTold "shelter-in-place" community-wide home quarantine (especially firm for high-risk groups), shutdown of non-essential businesses, close schools, ban on events over 10 people, passive monitoring, public advocacy around social distancing and enhanced hygiene. Possibly closed borders or restricted travel. Public aid relief bill. Roll-out of free population-wide testing and quarantine, so that quarantines can be relaxed for those who are not infected.
• After-effects: If contained, long-term implementation of border quarantines (14 days), active monitoring, and potential for repeat of measures above to ensure containment. If not contained, measures likely to be extended for 12-18 months in order to fully #flattenthecurve, with testing making quarantines more targeted.
• R0 assumptions: 1.3 for 4 weeks, 1.1 for 4 weeks, 0.8 for 4 weeks. Based on conjecture and extrapolation from Wuhan data above to a less ideal/strict containment scenario.

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This is what they say California is doing that we aren't.

Summary: This is complete crap.

The majority of the "Shelter in place" options involve the Federal Government and have already been implemented (i.e. close borders and restrict travel, Public aid relief, free population testing).

So Dallas County. You were just lied to.

Diggity said:

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Hope they don't ban the beach. It's been a nice way to get the kids some fresh air and social distancing has not been an issue. Most folds are 50 yards away.

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We were at pointe west this weekend. Beaches were all open. But Friday we went to the beach next door so we could drive in. Cops came by later that day and said they were closing a bunch of beaches to vehicle traffic but you could still walk on. We'll see if that changes.

Yeah, I saw they had put some roadblocks up around there.

Don't know about beaches, they have a lot more space to be able to spread out. But I will be shocked if the city doesn't start to close parks and trails in Houston this week. People completely suck at self regulating this, heights hike and bike trail, memorial park, white oak, buffalo bayou, etc. have been jam packed. I use them regularly for cycling and running and they are easily a couple hundred times busier than normal. I've just been running around River Oaks to get away from the crowds.

Its not that damn hard, if you get to these trails and realize you can't spread your arms in a circle and spin around without hitting someone, go somewhere else. Do a better job of being smart and regulating yourself so the city doesn't step in and mandate what you do.

I can't wait until our mayor and seasoned county judge claim in their next political ad campaign that their actions single handedly saved millions of lives while Trump ordered everyone in the nation to go lick door handles and toilet seats.

Ciboag96 said:

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I can't wait until our mayor and seasoned county judge claim in their next political ad campaign that their actions single handedly saved millions of lives while Trump ordered everyone in the nation to go lick door handles and toilet seats.

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They clearly misunderstood Trump calling them window lickers

Hidalgo said to be announcing shelter in place for Harris at the 9:30 presser

TXTransplant said:

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Hulla Baller said:

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How would a shelter in place in Harris county affect the chemical plants? Can you imagine the impact if they are told to shutdown...

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It won't. Where do you think manufacturers are going to get plastic and other materials to make PPE? And where do you think freight companies are going to get fuel to deliver all of those medical supplies?

Besides, even when shut down, these plants need a crew on-site. You don't just turn them of and walk away.

The majors all probably have plans in place already, whether it is trailers on-site so key personnel (ie, operators) don't ever have to leave or changed to rotation shifts to minimize turnover (ie, 14 on/14 off).

The last thing any major wants is an outbreak in a control room that takes out an operations crew.

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I've had to keep up with all of the "shelter-in-place" orders across the country, and businesses like chemical plants, steel manufacturing, energy, and anything to do with infrastructure and materials like plastics have been specifically named "essential businesses" that keep running.

HtownAg92 said:

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TXTransplant said:

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Hulla Baller said:

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How would a shelter in place in Harris county affect the chemical plants? Can you imagine the impact if they are told to shutdown...

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It won't. Where do you think manufacturers are going to get plastic and other materials to make PPE? And where do you think freight companies are going to get fuel to deliver all of those medical supplies?

Besides, even when shut down, these plants need a crew on-site. You don't just turn them of and walk away.

The majors all probably have plans in place already, whether it is trailers on-site so key personnel (ie, operators) don't ever have to leave or changed to rotation shifts to minimize turnover (ie, 14 on/14 off).

The last thing any major wants is an outbreak in a control room that takes out an operations crew.

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I've had to keep up with all of the "shelter-in-place" orders across the country, and businesses like chemical plants, steel manufacturing, energy, and anything to do with infrastructure and materials like plastics have been specifically named "essential businesses" that keep running.

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And a lot of these plants are already working with "skeleton crews." FIL works at a plant off 225 and said many of the contract laborers are gone and they have scaled back the # of employees allowed in. Taking temps at the door when you walk in. They have been told to keep identification and given paper in their car that would allow them to travel to work and back as an "essential" employee.