The stadium bonds are currently losing 52%-48%. 30% of precincts reporting.

Vote totals for the 30% reporting are:

2,153 For
2,412 Against

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With 67% reporting, this bond issuance appears headed for defeat:

For 3,644 45.1%
Against 4,438 54.9%

KHOU reporting 57% of precincts reporting:

3544 for - 45%
4438 against - 55%

Seems like pretty poor turnout.

The above numbers that we have been reporting only include Harris County. The media has run into this problem before when they need to add up votes in jurisdictions that include multiple counties.

This has little impact in this case as the trends are the same for the portion of Katy ISD in Ft Bend County. With all of Ft Bend County reporting, the Ft. Bend totals that need to be added to the above are:

For 2,903 45.6%
Against 3,457 54.4%

So Ft. Bend adds another 500 votes net to the likely defeat of this measure.

With 95% of Harris County precints reporting, this bond issuance has failed. The below Harris totals need to be added to Ft. Bend for overall totals:

For 4,440 45.3%
Against 5,353 54.7%

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You might also look to see where the money pushing these bond referendums comes from. It comes from big architecture and construction companies. PBK Architects has a group dedicated to pushing through these bonds. Oh, and guess who designed that really cool Allen Footbal Stadium? Yup.

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This. I've had first-hand experience with this situation and there's some ethical issues on how it works (well at least a couple of years ago). Not to mention that if this stadium design would have passed as was shown on the rendering, Katy would have one of the sheetiest looking stadiums around. My god that's absurd they even let that get through. I worked on the Berry Center and Allen projects which were respectable (architectural-wise, not politically or economically) and those had at least some effort.

The people said no!

Huge!

Awesome.

screwing themselves in the long run, before they know it they will be playing varsity football games on Wednesday....with expansion of more high schools in KISD, you will need more facilities. 1 stadium worked fine back when there was 4 high schools. now that the distract has grown a lot, and will continue to grow in the future, this will not be good.

Does anyone have information on how many districts with 7 varsity schools only have one stadium?

Cy-Fair had 6 schools playing in 1 stadium when I was in school. Graduated in '03. We had Thursday and Saturday afternoon games.

I dont think anyone thinks that Katy ISD doesn't need another stadium. They just don't need a $70,000,000 football palace. They went for the top of the line model this vote go around. They will come back with a more modest proposal for the next vote

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They just don't need a $70,000,000 football palace

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As a Cy-Fair resident I am jealous of the brains that Katy voters have.

Katy ISD used to have another site identified for the future football stadium. It was immediately south of Tompkins High School on land they owned. I even saw site layouts for a future football stadium there. Don't know exactly when or why they decided to move the facility, but from a traffic standpoint I would think the land north of Rhodes would be a more suitable location. The land south of Tompkins was sold and is now a subdivision called Avalon at Pine Mill Ranch.

Back to the drawing board for Katy ISD. Can't say I'm disappointed. I don't think it's a coincidence that the proposed most expensive football stadium in the state was going to be closest to Katy High School, the bellcow football program.

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I dont think anyone thinks that Katy ISD doesn't need another stadium. They just don't need a $70,000,000 football palace. They went for the top of the line model this vote go around. They will come back with a more modest proposal for the next vote

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This.

Bond debt is easy for the ISD's to argue in favor of but its getting out of hand with these porked-up contracts. We need another facility but at a reduced cost.

I've got friends that live in pine mill ranch and when they bought their house 2 years ago they thought the new stadium would be going in there next to Tompkins. They were very happy to hear that any future new stadium was going to not be by their neighborhood.

Do the other Katy schools sans Katy tigers really need a football stadium? Have you seen their attendance?

So what is it, I've heard both sides from the people living south. They either feel it should be there so it's more accessible to them, or they are full blown NIMBY about it.

I don't have a dog in this fight anymore, but I am from there and a new facility is needed. I believe KISD is the only district in the area (maybe the state?) with that many HS and only one stadium. I'm from old Katy and I think that site selection was piss poor. Even with staggered game times, you would have been looking at gigantic CF's every weekend.

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Do the other Katy schools sans Katy tigers really need a football stadium? Have you seen their attendance?

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It's not about wanting a bigger stadium, it's about not having varsity games on Thursday night, and having to do two games at one stadium on Saturdays.

As of right now, they are already playing on game on Thursday and two on Saturday. I'm not sure what they are going to do next year when Tompkins plays a Varsity schedule.

Cinco Ranch, Seven Lakes, and Taylor have pretty good attendance. They usually fill up their side of the stadium. I'm sure Tompkins will have decent support as well. However, excluding a few of the Katy-Cinco matchups there rarely has been a need for a stadium larger than Rhodes. Perhaps the district was looking at having the new stadium be a key player in playoff hosting. I'd ask Cy-Fair if any extra money from playoff games has really helped with cash flow issues.

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It's not about wanting a bigger stadium, it's about not having varsity games on Thursday night, and having to do two games at one stadium on Saturdays.

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Which is fair, but the notion that a football palace is required is simply wrong. High school football can be watched just fine from less than state-of-the-art facilities.

it's about ego...we don't need the most expensive high school stadium in the country, just put some nice bleachers in at Tompkins and have them play their games there for a couple years.

next year they'll come back with a $50 Million stadium proposal and claim they just saved us $20 Million.

if they had split the items up, I bet the STEM and AG complex would done better at the polls.

Good to see there is some fiscal sanity left in this town. Bring us a modest stadium proposal.

Figure out how to make stsdiums work on campus. $10M at each school would not build a palace but would give each school a "home" field. Actually base the amount each school gets on the average attendance that they have had over the years. Katy HS and many of the others schools that don't have much of a following don't need the same stadium.

CyFair has 10 high schools, about 3 of them fill over 25% of Berry. The other 7 have no following at all.

All of the Katy high schools currently have field turf and stands for their sub-varsity teams. Mayde Creek and Morton Ranch could probably play some varsity games at their campus fields. However, i doubt the administration wants to get accused of playing favorites by not letting some of the schools play at the bigger district stadium.

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Actually base the amount each school gets on the average attendance that they have had over the years. Katy HS and many of the others schools that don't have much of a following don't need the same stadium.

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Makes perfect sense but politicians wont do that because it wouldn't be "fair" and open them up to discrimination claims

Can you imagine the backlash of building a nice 10,000 seat stadium for one Katy school (like a Cinco Ranch I guess is more affluent) and then a 2500 seat junker like 6 man football uses in west texas for Morton Ranch or a school with more minorities?

How much do lights, bleachers and a field cost?

It would be more expensive to build stadiums at each school. That's the whole poing of having a district stadium.

In rejecting this, Katy proved they have the smartest voters in the area, at least smarter than Cy-Fair.

(Speaking as someone who has never lived in the KISD area.)

Was the stadium extravagant?

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next year they'll come back with a $50 Million stadium proposal and claim they just saved us $20 Million.

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I am sure you are right. I hope that fails miserably too. Most people that voted yesterday probably agree a 2nd stadium is necessary. Instead of appealing to stupidity (We are going to spend $100 million and it won't cost you a thing!); present people with multiple stadium plans at various price points and get polling feedback from the public before you put it on a bond. If it is a $70 milllion stadium or nothing then it will be nothing for a long time. I don't care if kids are playing varsity games at 2am on a tuesday. If you show me different plans for $10-$30 million stadiums and convince me why the more expensive is necessary....I'll listen and possibly vote yes.

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It would be more expensive to build stadiums at each school. That's the whole poing of having a district stadium.

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$10M at 7 schools is cost neutral to one $70M stadium. Each stadium is just not a palace.