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oklaunion said:

Muzzleblast said:

We can't wait for the eminent domain land seizures, inflation, traffic, and crime. It'll be great for the bumpkins out here that don't know what's good for them.
The unaffected are fully for it.


Why do you and others keep alluding to the rise in crime? I know several of the county deputies who have told me they don't ever want to go to parts of north Grimes without at least one backup patrol, especially around the Darrell Hall communities. And the Bedias area has more than their share of killings, meth labs and perverts.


Not sure what one has to do with the other. Bedias is a meth den. Crime will increase with the influx of thousands of temporary workers. This is a simple truth. We don't want more crime. Shocking, isn't it.
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I'm in south east college station and will absolutely be affected. I'm all for it
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Muzzleblast said:

We can't wait for the eminent domain land seizures, inflation, traffic, and crime. It'll be great for the bumpkins out here that don't know what's good for them.
The unaffected are fully for it.

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Mr. Musk has added a link to the top of his X account entitled "Terafab.ai"

Clicking that link takes the reader to a video- but also an "Apply" button where resumes can be sent.

If you're interested in applying, now might be a good time to submit.

If finalized, I'd rather see as many of those jobs as possible go to locals in greater Aggieland.

Here's the link: https://terafab.ai/
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More info coming out.

KBTX: JETI and Grimes ISD's
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What the filings say about investment and jobs: The applications were filed under Terafab AI, LLC with both Anderson-Shiro and Iola, with four phases listed for each district. In Anderson-Shiro, the filings list about $10.37 billion in eligible investment for Phase 1, followed by $23.84 billion for each of phases 2 through 4, and 617 permanent jobs. In Iola, the filings list $6.43 billion, $14.80 billion, $14.80 billion and $9.70 billion in eligible investment across the phases, with 383 permanent jobs.

Upcoming hearings and votes: Anderson-Shiro plans a single meeting July 13 for the public hearing and a vote on whether to enter the agreement. Iola hearings are tentatively scheduled for July 6 and July 7, with a vote expected around July 13 or July 14.

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Recommendation packets have been posted. I only looked at two but assume this is the case for all eight: the applications have been recommended by the Comptroller's office for approval.
https://comptroller.texas.gov/economy/development/prop-tax/jeti/applications.php

Also of note, the IPO raised $85.7 billion total, after additional options were exercised. This adds $10 billion to the $75 billion raised last week.
https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/spacex-ipo-raises-857-billion-underwriters-exercise-greenshoe-option-2026-06-15/
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rocketscience said:

Recommendation packets have been posted. I only looked at two but assume this is the case for all eight: the applications have been recommended by the Comptroller's office for approval.
https://comptroller.texas.gov/economy/development/prop-tax/jeti/applications.php

Also of note, the IPO raised $85.7 billion total, after additional options were exercised. This adds $10 billion to the $75 billion raised last week.
https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/spacex-ipo-raises-857-billion-underwriters-exercise-greenshoe-option-2026-06-15/


Massive windfall for the schools. Massive tax savings windfall for SpaceX. The ISDs have a real challenge to sort out as to how to proceed if they approve this.

Minimally, if they approve it, I'd say they could have some very well paid public school teachers. That'd be a nice change!

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They will probably have to build new schools to accommodate the influx of move ins. Iola is a tiny school and Anderson shiro is fairly small as well.
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My questions are, what does this do to the College Station schools? What steps need to be taken so our current students don't find themselves suffering as a result of overcrowded classrooms? How are those steps implemented without hitting everyone hard for more bonds and property taxes?

I'll be honest, my youngest is going into 4th grade and making sure his schools dont turn into a circus is top priority. And Im already struggling to keep up with property taxes, like a lot of other people.

Everything else, bad or good, is pretty irrelevant for me.
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Jbob04 said:

They will probably have to build new schools to accommodate the influx of move ins. Iola is a tiny school and Anderson shiro is fairly small as well.

Iola is building or has built a new high school. I think they're in good shape. Very well run school district at the highest levels.
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CS78 said:

My questions are, what does this do to the College Station schools? What steps need to be taken so our current students don't find themselves suffering as a result of overcrowded classrooms? How are those steps implemented without hitting everyone hard for more bonds and property taxes?

I'll be honest, my youngest is going into 4th grade and making sure his schools dont turn into a circus is top priority. And Im already struggling to keep up with property taxes, like a lot of other people.

Everything else, bad or good, is pretty irrelevant for me.

CSISD has been losing students. Their projections were grim enough that the board voted to become an open enrollment district and accept transfer students living elsewhere.

So I think CSISD has plenty of room for an influx of new students. This is the kind of problem districts love to have.
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Jbob04 said:

They will probably have to build new schools to accommodate the influx of move ins. Iola is a tiny school and Anderson shiro is fairly small as well.


Well, as I read it, this deal offers no abatement at all on I&S and only 50% on M&O. That means they could easily have a bond election and raise cash for new schools- IF they think they need it on that timeline. In the alternative they could pause, keep their powder dry and make capital improvements as they go- to an extent. Their budgets essentially double in the short term, then rocket (pardon the pun) to 7x to 9x in just a handful of years.

The fiscal implications for those ISDs is enormous.

Respectfully

Yancy '95
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techno-ag said:

CS78 said:

My questions are, what does this do to the College Station schools? What steps need to be taken so our current students don't find themselves suffering as a result of overcrowded classrooms? How are those steps implemented without hitting everyone hard for more bonds and property taxes?

I'll be honest, my youngest is going into 4th grade and making sure his schools dont turn into a circus is top priority. And Im already struggling to keep up with property taxes, like a lot of other people.

Everything else, bad or good, is pretty irrelevant for me.

CSISD has been losing students. Their projections were grim enough that the board voted to become an open enrollment district and accept transfer students living elsewhere.

So I think CSISD has plenty of room for an influx of new students. This is the kind of problem districts love to have.


What is an influx, sort of subjective. 1500 students and probable manageable ok, 5000 students and screwed.
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KaneIsAble said:

techno-ag said:

CS78 said:

My questions are, what does this do to the College Station schools? What steps need to be taken so our current students don't find themselves suffering as a result of overcrowded classrooms? How are those steps implemented without hitting everyone hard for more bonds and property taxes?

I'll be honest, my youngest is going into 4th grade and making sure his schools dont turn into a circus is top priority. And Im already struggling to keep up with property taxes, like a lot of other people.

Everything else, bad or good, is pretty irrelevant for me.

CSISD has been losing students. Their projections were grim enough that the board voted to become an open enrollment district and accept transfer students living elsewhere.

So I think CSISD has plenty of room for an influx of new students. This is the kind of problem districts love to have.


What is an influx, sort of subjective. 1500 students and probable manageable ok, 5000 students and screwed.
The construction jobs are the bigger number but they're temporary. If I had to prognosticate I would bet Anderson-Shiro, Iola, CS, Bryan, and Navasota will all absorb additional students. I don't think one district will grab them all. You might also see an uptick farther out like in Huntsville ISD and other places like Brazos Christian or the ILT charter school.
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techno-ag said:

KaneIsAble said:

techno-ag said:

CS78 said:

My questions are, what does this do to the College Station schools? What steps need to be taken so our current students don't find themselves suffering as a result of overcrowded classrooms? How are those steps implemented without hitting everyone hard for more bonds and property taxes?

I'll be honest, my youngest is going into 4th grade and making sure his schools dont turn into a circus is top priority. And Im already struggling to keep up with property taxes, like a lot of other people.

Everything else, bad or good, is pretty irrelevant for me.

CSISD has been losing students. Their projections were grim enough that the board voted to become an open enrollment district and accept transfer students living elsewhere.

So I think CSISD has plenty of room for an influx of new students. This is the kind of problem districts love to have.


What is an influx, sort of subjective. 1500 students and probable manageable ok, 5000 students and screwed.
The construction jobs are the bigger number but they're temporary. If I had to prognosticate I would bet Anderson-Shiro, Iola, CS, Bryan, and Navasota will all absorb additional students. I don't think one district will grab them all. You might also see an uptick farther out like in Huntsville ISD and other places like Brazos Christian or the ILT charter school.


Yalls debate is indicative of how hard a call it will be. Good points on all sides. Not an easy planning or fiscal discipline exercise. I wish them the best in their decision and if it's yes, I wish them the best in managing that growth.

I'm sure at some point the school districts in the region will meet and discuss the future. I sure hope so. If this goes through I'd sure love to see everyone talk about how well we managed it years from now.

Silos no more

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techno-ag said:

Jbob04 said:

They will probably have to build new schools to accommodate the influx of move ins. Iola is a tiny school and Anderson shiro is fairly small as well.

Iola is building or has built a new high school. I think they're in good shape. Very well run school district at the highest levels.


A couple weeks before the Terafab announcement, Iola passed a bond to build a $69M high school. However, the design is more an upgrade for the existing facilities and assumes minimal projected growth (approximately a 7-10 additional high school students in the next seven years, according to the information they provided prior to the bond election). They only projected a 4% growth per year.

It seems like even with the new school, they will not be in a position to accept even a minor influx of families that the Bedias data center and Terafab could bring to the district.

Perhaps they could use the excessive administration office space for classrooms?
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BuddysBud said:

techno-ag said:

Jbob04 said:

They will probably have to build new schools to accommodate the influx of move ins. Iola is a tiny school and Anderson shiro is fairly small as well.

Iola is building or has built a new high school. I think they're in good shape. Very well run school district at the highest levels.


A couple weeks before the Terafab announcement, Iola passed a bond to build a $69M high school. However, the design is more an upgrade for the existing facilities and assumes minimal projected growth (approximately a 7-10 additional high school students in the next seven years, according to the information they provided prior to the bond election). They only projected a 4% growth per year.

It seems like even with the new school, they will not be in a position to accept even a minor influx of families that the Bedias data center and Terafab could bring to the district.

Perhaps they could use the excessive administration office space for classrooms?
From what I heard they're building the new HS in the field across the street. If I understand correctly the old HS building will remain in place.

Certainly about 10 new students would have been about right before Terafab.
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Anderson-Shiro broke ground earlier this year on a new elementary school. Not sure how much room to grow they allocated for in that new campus.
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Bedias datacenter will have few permanent jobs. Terafab on the other hand will have a lot.
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Hornbeck said:

Bedias datacenter will have few permanent jobs. Terafab on the other hand will have a lot.


Correct and agreed. Far more direct jobs than they estimate in the application. They have to ensure they surpass it by a wide margin because if they don't, it breaches the agreement. Same for salary data. JETI requires a certain % of the average income. I think it's 110%. Notice they set estimated annual income for new jobs at $1 over the current average. That ensures they don't miss. Jobs and salaries will far exceed what's estimated.

And then there's indirect employment- which is the associated supplier wave as well as retail and commercial to service the growth in economic activity.

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Bob Yancy said:

Jbob04 said:

They will probably have to build new schools to accommodate the influx of move ins. Iola is a tiny school and Anderson shiro is fairly small as well.


Well, as I read it, this deal offers no abatement at all on I&S and only 50% on M&O. That means they could easily have a bond election and raise cash for new schools- IF they think they need it on that timeline. In the alternative they could pause, keep their powder dry and make capital improvements as they go- to an extent. Their budgets essentially double in the short term, then rocket (pardon the pun) to 7x to 9x in just a handful of years.

The fiscal implications for those ISDs is enormous.

Respectfully

Yancy '95

I watched a portion of the Iola ISD board meeting from Tuesday. There was a discussion from 0:45-1:15 or so that included some talk about how it was possible to transfer some expenses they currently were not into their I&S budgeting. It's a good listen.
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normaleagle05 said:

Bob Yancy said:

Jbob04 said:

They will probably have to build new schools to accommodate the influx of move ins. Iola is a tiny school and Anderson shiro is fairly small as well.


Well, as I read it, this deal offers no abatement at all on I&S and only 50% on M&O. That means they could easily have a bond election and raise cash for new schools- IF they think they need it on that timeline. In the alternative they could pause, keep their powder dry and make capital improvements as they go- to an extent. Their budgets essentially double in the short term, then rocket (pardon the pun) to 7x to 9x in just a handful of years.

The fiscal implications for those ISDs is enormous.

Respectfully

Yancy '95

I watched a portion of the Iola ISD board meeting from Tuesday. There was a discussion from 0:45-1:15 or so that included some talk about how it was possible to transfer some expenses they currently were not into their I&S budgeting. It's a good listen.


Thanks for the heads up. You obviously know, but for those that don't, M&O is Maintenance & Operations and I&S is Interest & Sinking which is the debt service portion of your property taxes. Various state statutes require the two be broken out and looked at/treated/spent/regulated differently.

Basically, M&O is running things, fixing things and paying employees, et al. I&S is the credit card bill on debt- which is bond payments (usually building things) for government.

The fact that Maintenance & Operations is proposed to be abated at 50% but SpaceX/state of Texas will pay full boat on I&S is very very interesting.

Depending on how you look at it, that will lend both complexity and flexibility to the school districts.

I wish them the best in the decisions and plans they make. I'd love to see those districts do well and of course their kids and teachers mainly!

Respectfully

Yancy '95

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If what was said in that meeting is true, the tax rates should fall much faster than the assessments grow. And if the school boards are smart about it those districts will have world class funding that comes largely from SpaceX.

A lot of resignation to higher taxes from the comments that don't seem to pencil out.
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normaleagle05 said:

If what was said in that meeting is true, the tax rates should fall much faster than the assessments grow. And if the school boards are smart about it those districts will have world class funding that comes largely from SpaceX.

A lot of resignation to higher taxes from the comments that don't seem to pencil out.


I haven't heard anything about higher taxes. The value of this project, if approved, will force tax rates downward dramatically over time.

Surging values (which SpaceX would inarguably bring) cause downward pressure on tax rates by state law- with variation on that theme depending upon whether applied to cities, counties and school districts… but when property valuation rises (from new property on the tax rolls to increasing value of existing property) that necessitates a lowering of the tax rate, generally speaking.

I'd say there's pretty much no way tax rates do anything but subside with a project like this. That said, we all know tax rates can remain static or even go down, while taxes paid can still rise due to soaring valuations.

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Bob Yancy said:

normaleagle05 said:

Bob Yancy said:

Jbob04 said:

They will probably have to build new schools to accommodate the influx of move ins. Iola is a tiny school and Anderson shiro is fairly small as well.


Well, as I read it, this deal offers no abatement at all on I&S and only 50% on M&O. That means they could easily have a bond election and raise cash for new schools- IF they think they need it on that timeline. In the alternative they could pause, keep their powder dry and make capital improvements as they go- to an extent. Their budgets essentially double in the short term, then rocket (pardon the pun) to 7x to 9x in just a handful of years.

The fiscal implications for those ISDs is enormous.

Respectfully

Yancy '95

I watched a portion of the Iola ISD board meeting from Tuesday. There was a discussion from 0:45-1:15 or so that included some talk about how it was possible to transfer some expenses they currently were not into their I&S budgeting. It's a good listen.


Thanks for the heads up. You obviously know, but for those that don't, M&O is Maintenance & Operations and I&S is Interest & Sinking which is the debt service portion of your property taxes. Various state statutes require the two be broken out and looked at/treated/spent/regulated differently.

Basically, M&O is running things, fixing things and paying employees, et al. I&S is the credit card bill on debt- which is bond payments (usually building things) for government.

The fact that Maintenance & Operations is proposed to be abated at 50% but SpaceX/state of Texas will pay full boat on I&S is very very interesting.

Depending on how you look at it, that will lend both complexity and flexibility to the school districts.

I wish them the best in the decisions and plans they make. I'd love to see those districts do well and of course their kids and teachers mainly!

Respectfully

Yancy '95



Just tells me that Grimes ISD's won't grow that much. There is hardly a SFH development in the whole county. That could change quickly, but it ain't there. If you call King Oaks a large development, then I can't help you. Navasota is the only city of any size and its farther away than CoCS. Grimes ISD's need roof tops and until a big development/home builder makes a major commitment, there will be no need. 5-6K jobs could make a huge change to the tiny districts, but I'm guessing CSISD will be the major beneficiary. If more SFH pops up in Grimes, then CSISD loses. Maybe there will be enough for everybody, but only time will tell.
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It would be great if those huge developments with postage stamp back yards and saplings in the front yard stayed in Brazos County and destroyed the landscape there. It would be a win win for Grimes County. Unfortunately , I fear that may not happen.
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Bucketrunner said:

It would be great if those huge developments with postage stamp back yards and saplings in the front yard stayed in Brazos County and destroyed the landscape there. It would be a win win for Grimes County. Unfortunately , I fear that may not happen.

Pretty sure King Oaks has acre and a half to three acre lots.
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late night project going way, way late....saw this on the Xer tonight (link below)

Will this be tied to Terafab in any way? I'm guessing no but the nuclear energy could be very valuable at first. Not sure how long these take to build out. Once Terafab starts putting DCs in space, it's all over for the land DCs. SpaceX/Terafab will own the compute/DC market. The Amazons, Microsofts, Googles, IBMs, and Oracles will be using SpaceX DCs for compute. It's inevitable because SpaceX will be getting free solar energy 247x365 from the sun in space and never really need anything more (that we know of). I see why this is such a monster money-maker for Elon. It's enormous. Nothing anywhere close. If we balk, they'll have others. It's too big. In the grand scheme of things, the compute that the cloud companies use right now is very small on the GPU landscape (chips for mining) but that will pick up as they all become AI companies (which seems to be the inevitable).

The cloud world right now runs through West/East coasts and all over the world. This would probably go away and the space world would take over (funny that they called it cloud but it never really left the atmosphere - not the case for space DCs). Space DCs are the future and SpaceX/Terafab will run it. Nobody even close. That's why Google has already promised $2 billion/month to SpaceX for their compute. It's probably a great deal at this point. I'm sure Amazon will come up with their own space DCs but they are probably set back right now with the Blue Origin (owned by Bezos) accident a couple weeks ago. I never read up on it but they basically blew up a launch site in Florida a couple weeks ago. It was all over the news for a couple days. Bezos didn't say much. Neither did Elon.

Elon and Larry Ellison are best buds so I don't see why they won't rely on each other down the road. Oracle is not near the cloud company that Amazon is (in overall market share) but they've gone all-in on AI with the DC being built in Abilene. Again, this may be temporary until the space DCs get going. Space will be much cheaper to run DCs in the long run and it certainly is the future. Why nobody ever came up with this idea is beyond me. I guess we never had anywhere near the capability to even think it until now. Not sure if this will affect the mining DCs around the area but my guess is that they'll eventually go in space as well once they see SpaceX doing it (no idea on this though).

One way to think or look at SpaceX/Terafab/etc is Amazon when they entered the cloud industry. They already had the DCs because they needed them to run Amazon.com (retail). The cloud company (AWS) was a side project that became as big as their retail division based on the fact that they had most of the infrastructure already to do it. They just needed to expand a little and market it (which they did). They had a 5-10 year head start on the technology as Microsoft, Google, IBM, and Oracle had to play catch up. These other companies had the name brands but they eventually had to run them in Amazons DCs to keep up with them. They all have their own DCs now but they probably won't be sustainable when space DCs kick in. SpaceX/Terafab is similar to Amazon starting cloud in that they know they need Terafab and space DCs to make this profitable or even possible (economically) because we don't have the energy nor the land space right now to accomplish this kind of manufacturing (24x7x365). Elon knows this and has already jumped ahead of the curve by going into space. It's brilliant and makes me believe in this guy even more because the cloud companies right now kind of have control of the job market globally (bringing in the best talent) but they'll lose that eventually if they don't adapt in some way. Again, AI plays a huge part in that though.

Just rambling on some things I learned tonight I guess. Feel free to butcher whatever I posted. I'm sure I got something wrong. This is one of those landmark items in civilization though.

I hope I did not offend anybody with this post. If I did, please come see me at my address in my profile so we can talk.
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A lot of people think he's nuts on his goal of going to Mars, but with his "first principles thinking" mindset, he needs these space DCs as a stepping stone to that. In the meantime, it'll make trillions of dollars to fund that as you mentioned.

Essentially these will just be giant space stations fueled by solar. It's completely and totally possible considering what the reusable rockets have been advancing to the last decade. Look already at the amazing accomplishments that have been done in space with SpaceX and Starlink. Heck, I was steaming a live YouTube video podcast perfectly on my iPad at 10,000ft this week coming home from Florida for free through United's starlink WiFi. Pretty incredible stuff and this is just the beginning.

Aggieland may get to be at the forefront of all of that. What a time to be alive!
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https://seminode.com/newsroom/data-centers-in-orbit


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https://www.cio.com/article/4186890/your-next-data-center-could-soon-be-in-space-heres-why-you-should-care.html
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We're going to have to come up with a different nomenclature. They're not really "data centers" in space. It's a network really- a constellation of satellites- each one the size of a server rack (excluding the solar panels and heat radiating panels) that are interconnected via laser arrays.

Folks I talk to around town are skeptical and picturing a giant data center building in orbit. Maybe someday it'll come to that- but what's being proposed now is more like a "data grid" than a "data center."

SpaceX has filed with the Federal Communications Commission for a million data satellites in non-geo synchronous orbit. The application is under review.

Just thought I'd add some color to yalls discussion. Have a great weekend!

https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/spacex-files-for-million-satellite-orbital-ai-data-center-megaconstellation/

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And it's not super big. We live there on about 5 acres
 
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