Beagle,

Yeah I wasnt going to respond but it seems that el-delusional boy changes the story to make himself seem like he has the upper hand and is sitting pretty.


Techno,
For PAGES now you have talked about HEAT, about KIDNAPPING, about SAFETY and telling all who will listen that for the sake of the childs safety you should NEVER bother with that cart because it is TOO dangerous to walk away from your kids in the car.

Not ONCE have you addressed the fact that you can actually take the kids with you to the coral in the cart and walk them back until today with your "What if its raining" business. So what if it is raining? Are your kids witches and it will cause them to melt?

[This message has been edited by Allonym (edited 7/1/2010 9:30a).]

can't the people with all the kids either leave them at the house with their spouse OR accept the bagger's offer for help with carryout (then they will put away the cart for your lazy arse) ?

Seems like that will solve the problem with kids vs. cart responsibility

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Yeah I wasnt going to respond but it seems that el-delusional boy changes the story to make himself seem like he has the upper hand and is sitting pretty.

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I think this is a good sign. Techno has realized that he needs to come up with additional rationale and I think he's done it in at least one case. Someone lurking by the corral is certainly something to be concerned about. I hope he is mature enough to admit that he is wrong. I think most of us would respect him for that, whereas clinging to such a hopeless position at this point will have the opposite effect.

(I take it only the first part of your post was directed at me and rest at techno. )

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can't the people with all the kids either leave them at the house with their spouse OR accept the bagger's offer for help with carryout (then they will put away the cart for your lazy arse) ?

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Yes. This has been brought up several times now by myself and others.

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Here is the narrow scenario others were requesting.

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Here’s how any normal person would handle it. Raining, sketchy dude watching you, etc.

You exit the grocery with your baby in the cart and lots of bags. You wheel said cart over to your vehicle, open it up, and proceed to first put your child in his/her car seat, making sure they are safe, secure and dry before even worrying about unloading the groceries. For those with multiple kids; wash, rinse, repeat. THEN, after the kiddos are secure in the car, start putting your groceries into the truck, back hatch, truck bed, wherever. THEN, knowing full-well that your kids are in their car seats and your keys are safely in your pocket/purse, close the doors to your car and lock it. Take the 15-30 second walk to the cart corral, deposit your cart, and then go back to your car. (Even in hundred degree heat, your kids won’t melt within this miniscule timeframe. If you’re still worried, you can always crack the windows before you unload the kids/groceries.) Unlock your car again, check to make sure your kiddos are still in their respective car seats/booster seats, and then kick her in gear and head home. My mom managed to do this for years with three small children in tow. Also, this was long before the days of cart corrals when you actually had to push the cart all the way back to the holding area near the front door, so there really is no excuse for this lazy, complacent BS.

Now you have safely deposited both your kids and groceries and there’s one less unattended cart left in the lot by a careless d-bag. Thanks for playing techno! This was fun!

On a personal note, this “not my problem” or “my need for happiness is greater than your need for happiness” attitude is exactly what’s wrong with people today. It’s the reason we have jerk-offs leading our country, why 50% of our nation is overweight and unhealthy, and why we’ve gone from being one of the most wealthy and powerful nations in the world, to a second-tier society of complacent lapdogs.

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For PAGES now you have talked about HEAT, about KIDNAPPING, about SAFETY and telling all who will listen that for the sake of the childs safety you should NEVER bother with that cart because it is TOO dangerous to walk away from your kids in the car.

Not ONCE have you addressed the fact that you can actually take the kids with you to the coral in the cart and walk them back until today with your "What if its raining" business.

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I think this is a good sign. Techno has realized that he needs to come up with additional rationale and I think he's done it in at least one case. Someone lurking by the corral is certainly something to be concerned about.

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The narrow scenario involving rain or lurkers was in response to comments like this:

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Please give a detailed example of a situation where putting your cart up in the manner that SKF described would endanger your kids. I would really like to know.

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No, my stance hasn't changed, sorry guys. As for me personally when if I'm shopping with the kids returning the cart is probably last on my list of priorities. I'm more concerned about other things, primarily safety of the kids, to worry much about the cart.

I respect all y'all who have politely asserted that returning the cart sets a good example for the kiddos and other related polite comments. Thanks for making MyBCS a good place for clean debate. For anyone who hates me for my stand on this issue, know that it is not returned. I salute you and hope you can get past your ill will, and perhaps we can discuss issues of more substance at a future date.

Actually, I think what is wrong with people today is they spend so much time and energy pissing and moaning about things like the proper placement of grocery carts.

Techno,

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When I've got the kids, I don't give a rip about the cart. Kids are worth so much more than putting a stupid cart back in the corral

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There are much more important things to worry about when you have little ones with you than getting a cart back to the corral. Sorry, I'm going to continue to leave the cart wherever when I have the kids with me

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Everybody: please don't endanger your kids out of some inflated sense of civic duty to put your carts up. Just leave 'em there.

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Taken from your posts on the subject.

This is what has set the tone for you the entire thread:

I don't give a rip about the cart and stupid cart AND Everybody: please don't endanger your kids out of some inflated sense of civic duty to put your carts up. Just leave 'em there.

There is more to this than a "Stupid Cart". It is about your advocacy of dumping the cart wherever and whenever you please out of some misguided sense of endangerment to children if you do actually return it.

Good to see though that you are now trying to distance yourself from your prior position. You must be a politician or a Democrat

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Could it be bad weather? Maybe it started raining on the way to the car and you don't want your baby to get soaked while taking her back and forth from the car to the corral.

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See, here is where this "judgment" that you keep speaking of comes into play. First off, your child is not endangered from getting wet. Period. He/She may even enjoy the water.

But if you're really that concerned about it, you can make a judgment call that satisfies everyone. Put your child in the car, lock the doors, take the keys with you as you put up your cart.

Let me guess, "But, it's too hot in the car!", right? Except it's raining, and if it's anything more than a light sprinkle, it's now cloudy - ergo, your car is not that hot. Or it is still hot because it is such a light rain, which, again, poses no danger to your child.

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Could it be a suspicious person lurking near the corral?

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Okay, I'll give you that, though, similar to the rain, if there is a suspicious person lurking it's probably dark outside, therefore not hot and you can put your child in the car.

I understand that this now becomes a safety threat for yourself, and that's perfectly understandable. But you've been claiming safety of your child all along, and never have not brought up your own safety. My guess is that you realize that making a claim that putting up your cart puts YOU, an adult, in danger is so ridiculous in 99.99% of cases that you weren't even going to try to make that argument.

techno-ag,

Don't be surprised if because of your lazy stance, one day you emerge from HEB, Kroger, Walmart, Albertsons, etc. and find a shopping cart padlocked to your back bumper...

"Actually, I think what is wrong with people today is they spend so much time and energy pissing and moaning about things like the proper placement of grocery carts," he said, pissing and moaning.

ALLONYM!

I just want to clarify my position:

I am not 'against' putting the cart up. I could go either way. If the corral is within 10 feet or so, sure, no problem, if not, i don't bother. Its really about the little ones' safety and convenience for me.

That said, I don't get all bent out of shape by having to park two spaces further out because there is a cart in the one I want to park in. If I want the space that bad, Ill move the cart.

It looks to me like a lot of people are not putting up carts based on the concept that their kids safety is at stake. I have no problem with this. It also appears that because some are inconvenienced by a silly cart that you are by proxy questioning people's parenting because they feel that their children's safety is an issue...and quite frankly, if you are worried about a cart and judging a person on whether they won't put it up because of their reasoning...you can go (fill in the blank).

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zbeagle- it's a vicious cycle.

Invisible Cart - I think that picture is the perfect way to end this thread!

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it's a vicious cycle.

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heh heh. Nope. I don't think that's what's wrong with the world.

The problem with complaining about people who complain is that you can't do it without becoming the thing you are condemning.

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No, my stance hasn't changed, sorry guys. As for me personally when if I'm shopping with the kids returning the cart is probably last on my list of priorities. I'm more concerned about other things, primarily safety of the kids, to worry much about the cart.

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No data? Not a single body to backup your claim? You're not even going to try?

So what other false dichotomies do you subscribe to? Do you put your kids safety above...say...having a pizza delivered? Watching a football game? Going to the bathroom? Surfing the Internet?

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Don't be surprised if because of your lazy stance, one day you emerge from HEB, Kroger, Walmart, Albertsons, etc. and find a shopping cart padlocked to your back bumper...

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This would be freaking hilarious. I would stick around to watch.

Safety of the kids has nothing to do with putting your cart away. And I'm guessing most of you that keep espousing that fallacy haven't had a cart that a lazy ass left in the lot tag the side of your car.

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So what other false dichotomies do you subscribe to? Do you put your kids safety above...say...having a pizza delivered? Watching a football game? Going to the bathroom? Surfing the Internet?

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Well that might explain what he is full of

It is possible to be both responsible (kids) and courteous (thinking of what your actions do to others) at the same time. It's not that hard. For one thing, my wife & I do things like shopping for groceries together-I do most of the cooking anyway. Our kids are grown now, but not once did we ever a)leave them with someone while we went shopping, or b) fail to put a cart up properly. Kids are your FIRST responsibility, not your ONLY one. But, I just might start me a new bidness-shopping and home delivery for people who don't have the time.

As I see it, it makes me mad when a cart is not put in the coral, up there with parking in front of the store while waiting for someone shopping or due to come out,blocking traffic and making it difficult to get around because of the oncoming traffic. Then the ones that take up the parking spots for "customer's with Children" "Senior Parking". Seems to me that they are the same ones that leave their carts about the lot. It is just pure laziness. But wait, where did they learn it? When they were kids going shopping with their parents perhaps?

I understand the concen of parents for the safety of their children, but where are they going to learn good manners, other than by example. Show the Children that one puts the cart away for the sake of other customers, even if it is a bit out of the way, and takes that extra minute or two. That it is just the right thing to do. Parents must show by example.

I would like to clarify, since my name ended up on the "naughty" list, that I am FOR putting away carts, but I won't leave them alone in a car, running or not. I park next to a corral. Usually I have to park at the very back of the lot to do this, but so what.

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but I won't leave them (kids) alone in a car, running or not

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If you can't leave your kids alone for 30 seconds, you have bigger problems than lack-of-courtesy...

I don't have kids, but I have a dog. I once left him in the car with it running, and he locked me out.

Swear to God, true story.

OK, I give

InformedAg - what problem do I have by not leaving my kids alone in a car for even 30 seconds? What on earth would be good about leaving them alone? What is the bigger problem? I can't see why you would care anyway, but I am not going to leave them alone in a car for any amount of time. What if I get hit by a car and knocked out cold and nobody realizes they are alone in a car? I know that's a long shot, but what if? What if a crack head jumps in the car and drives off? I'm not worried about them misbehaving, if that's what you mean by my bigger problems. Honestly, I wouldn't leave my purse on the seat of my car and walk away from the car without locking it up, so I certainly wouldn't leave my babies.

You are obviously not a mother.

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but I am not going to leave them alone in a car for any amount of time

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So how do you pump gas? And I am a mother.

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I went to Wal Mart today and did not put up the cart, in honor of this thread. And I didn't even have any kids.

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/child.endangerment.arrest.2.610570.html

Store video surveillance proved she was only away from her car for 3-1/2 minutes so the charges were dropped. Not a fun situation to put yourself in though.

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/treffly.coyne.endangerment.2.676764.html

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MommaBear, you're all right. I think you are showing a great example.

Techno Ag probably doesn't even have any kids. (She's just yanking our chain and we responded.)

Hey! For fun, let's all video folks who don't put up their carts and post the YouTube link right here! Then we can carry on the thread ad infinitum.

I must be the worst parent in the world. When I go to the grocery store here's what I do...

1. Put groceries in trunk
2. Put child in car seat (if it's bad weather #1 and #2 get switched). Car remains unlocked.
3. Put cart in corral.
4. Return to car.
5. Profit!

I don't think that anyone was stating you must put your children in the car before you put the cart up. Do what you feel is safe, nobody is asking anyone to place their kids in danger, all I am asking is to respect other people's property and to return the cart to the corral or ask for help to your car.

It seems to me that techno has a one track mind and cannot see any other way to do things. If he/she would just admit to being lazy and stop blaming it on a safety issue, nobody would be arguing over this.

Techno, I do have a question for you. With all of your so called safety concerns over your children, who keeps them safe (what if there is a suspicious person lurking?) while you are trolling forums all day/evening?

Honestly, you should have just said "Hey, I'm lazy and don't give a crap if my cart damages your car or I might open my car door into yours and dent your car but I'm self centered and the world revolves around me but that's the chance you took by parking in the parking lot".
AMAZING

"meh, lifes too short to worry about this.

I frequently not only return mine but also look for someone else who is finishing their unloading and try to return that one also. Pay it forward.?"

This is the best post on the thread, and the thread has been entertaining. I have begun practicing putting up more than one cart, OR, take one from someone who is finished with theirs as you go in the store. Also, the comments on the "carry-outs", most stores don't have enough of them to keep the parking lot clear of carts, maybe it's different where you shop but I rarely see more than 2 or 3 working.

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if you know anyone else who wakes up/takes children to the grocery store between 9pm (when the milk runs out) and 7am (when the milk is needed for coffee) JUST to get milk, i will gladly accept the label of lazy. sane people, however, just go the next day IMO.

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Lar, get your husband to watch them. duh!

or

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