http://www.ultimateclearlake.com/2010/05/shopping-cart-damage

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Police hope surveillance video from the store captured the incident, Whitten said. If the shopping cart was purposely pushed in to the car, the three could face a charge of criminal mischief, he said.

If it was unintentional, the three could be charged with reckless damage or not charged at all, Whitten said.

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Looks like you could be charged criminally if you abandoned cart damaged another's vehicle.

Personally, I don't want to risk damaging something that most people work hard to pay for. I know I would be livid if someone's abandoned cart damaged my truck.

MommaBear, I would personally like to thank you for being responsible! You sound like someone that sets very good examples for your children and the world could use more people like you. Again, thank you for showing us that this can be done!

technoag, It's also just a few more feet to walk to put the cart up so give it a try! Your car has obviously never been damaged by "just a cart" before by someone who lacks the respect of other people's property.

Emy92:

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Looks like you could be charged criminally if you abandoned cart damaged another's vehicle.

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LOL. The rest of the story indicates the "damage" was a little scratch on the bumper:

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A Dickinson woman was loading items into her Toyota Camry about 1:55 p.m. when a shopping cart used by two women and man struck her car, causing an estimated $50 in damage to her front bumper, he said.

The woman and the trio exchanged words, which included the damaged car's driver demanding they pay for repairs. The three people laughed and then drove away, Whitten said.

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techno, you are an obvious troll, nobody is stupid enough to laugh at that! Oh well, actually you might be. It does kind of go along with the fat, lazy a** you seem to be. Now go get a job and do something with your life. Can you maybe post some personal info like kaggie did yesterday so that if I ever see you at the store I will know?

So techno you think it's funny to damage other people's property and then laugh in their face about it. $50 or $500 makes no difference to me. It's the simple principle of respecting other people's time and property, and taking responsibility for your actions. Self-centered people make me sick.

Since it's obviously OK with you if your car gets hit by a cart please post your car's make, model, color, license plate number, and the store you frequent most. The rest of us can then keep an eye out for you and be sure to take our own $50 worth of laziness out on you. Everyone needs a healthy outlet for their aggression and since you are obviously OK with it, just let us bash your car. It would be your own little contribution to bettering the community.

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LOL. The rest of the story indicates the "damage" was a little scratch on the bumper:

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Herein is the problem. YOU perceive it as "Just a little scratch". The owner of the car perceives it differently.

Seems to me the fact is this is all about YOU. YOU think it is fine. YOU don't worry about it. YOU think it is "just a cart" and "Just a scratch” How selfish and self centered of YOU and how MAGNANIMOUS of you to waive my rights and impose YOUR will because YOU think its acceptable.

Let me ask you this. If I walked by you and your kid with a knife in my hand carelessly waving it about and gave him what I called "Just a scratch" accidentally would you go along with that, blow it off and say "It’s just a scratch?!" or would you go APE SH** on me over how careless I am all the while I keep saying "It is just a scratch what’s the big deal"? My point is I wonder what is YOUR hot button that will set you ablaze when someone performs what YOU perceive is an ill on you and yours. I'm sure then we will hear from YOU again.

There is what YOU believe is right and what society accepts as right. You are on the WRONG side of this one and are too clueless to get it I believe.

I have been meaning to add that I have 3 children, two of them under 5 and my wife and I manage to put the cart up if we are together OR alone without anyone dying or being kidnapped every time.

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SKF,

I just read your post and it made me laugh. Only because I had a mental image of this oblivious persons car surrounded by carts EVERY time he/she goes to the store and they can't get back in it.

Life in his/her head must be a blast. The real world is a bit** and a harsh teacher.

I personally think NOT putting the cart up is just lazy. My wife has been stuck with both kids crashed out (one in the cart, one in the stroller) and still can handle putting them in the vehicle and putting the cart away without screwing the rest of the BCS shoppers. Hence, my kids have learned manners, will help the elderly with grocery bags, and will hold the door open for a mother swamped with strollers and a pack of kids.

If you were truly concerned with your child's safety you wouldn't be using a store provided cart in the first place. You would supply your own. Think of the eleventy billion different germs on that cart.

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Herein is the problem. YOU perceive it as "Just a little scratch". The owner of the car perceives it differently.

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No, here is the problem. I perceive you people don't seem to care about the safety of children. If there are small children in the car, for the love of all that's holy, pay more attention to your children and don't worry about the stupid cart.

If that cart you left out were to inadvertently cause fifty bucks worth of damage to someone's car, it's worth it because you know that you have put your children's safety above a false sense of civic duty. Give the offended person a 50 dollar bill, say "I'm sorry. I didn't mean to scratch your car." Then be on your way, content in the knowledge you did the best for your kids.

techno, are you truly that dense? Why can't you park next to the corral or why can't you take the kids with you when you put the cart up? Is it because it would take some effort on your part or are your kids just hellions because you have done such a horrible job raising them because of all of the fine examples you have set for them? You honestly have no business being a parent or being allowed to be in public and yes, you are what is wrong with society. Also, you never did deny being a fat a** or living off of our welfare system so I think me making assumptions about you was correct. If you were to hit my car with a cart and try to hand my $50.00, I guarantee you, it would be the last time you didn't put a cart in the corral! Please do tell us the make, model and license plate number of your clunker though, I would be happy to push a cart into it for you!

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Can you maybe post some personal info like kaggie did yesterday so that if I ever see you at the store I will know? ... Please do tell us the make, model and license plate number of your clunker though, I would be happy to push a cart into it for you!

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Nah. I'd hate for you to see me in the CS WM parking lot: "There's that Techno-Ag and his kids! He disagrees with me on MyBCS! Must run them over!"

techno, have fun trollin' but some of us actually have jobs so best of luck to your kids because they are going to need it. I don't wish this on anyone else here but I do hope that one day techno a cart smashes into your car and does a lot more than $50.00 worth of damage and that there are no witness' or cameras around to see it. You deserve it! And one more thing, get off of your high horse and stop making this a kids safety issue, this has nothing to do with the safety of your kids, it has to do with you being lazy. You are worthless scum to me.

For those of you that take the time put up your carts, thank you and keep up the good work. I, unlike others, work for what I have and always respect other people's belongings and respect people that do the same.

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You are worthless scum to me.

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Seriously? No! Just because I value my kids over putting a cart back in a corral?

And you wonder why I don't give out personal info on the car I drive ...

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No, here is the problem. I perceive you people don't seem to care about the safety of children. If there are small children in the car, for the love of all that's holy, pay more attention to your children and don't worry about the stupid cart.

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Criminal mischief, reckless damage, civil liability... I only wish I could be there when you tell the judge, "It was for the KIDS!"

techno, this has nothing to do with your kids, this has to do with you being lazy! What don't you get about that? If you don't have the mental capacity to get this simple concept, you really should not be raising children and I'm not trying to be mean about that but maybe CPS or a family member needs to step in. It's not hard to unload your groceries, go put the cart up with your kids and then take your kids back to the cart. Park by a corral and if you can't park by a corral at Walmart, shop somewhere else.

Make your kids mind, what is so hard about that? Discipline them if they are being brats, there is nothing wrong with making your kids behave in public and I'm not talking about beating them. Honestly, I would like to know how you make it through the day?

SEVEN pages and not one single person called hitler or a nazi, and no sneaky adds for a local hamburger joint!


I'm impressed! Keep up the good work!

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Criminal mischief, reckless damage, civil liability... I only wish I could be there when you tell the judge, "It was for the KIDS!"

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... and the judge says, "I agree, son. When I've got the kids with me, to heck with the cart!"

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No, here is the problem. I perceive you people don't seem to care about the safety of children. If there are small children in the car, for the love of all that's holy, pay more attention to your children and don't worry about the stupid cart.

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So you put the cart away when you don't have the kids with you, and you're fine with that?

Never mind the carts-I cant stand the people who spit their gum on the hot parking lot pavement, and you know what happens when you step on it.

techno, I'm sure in your fantasy world the judge would say that but in reality, no that's not what the judge would say because that's not what the law says and that's not what society thinks.

You have the mentality that everything is all about you and you are a joke. You know this has nothing to do with your kids safety so get off of it and just admit you're lazy and think it's someone else's job and please do not bring anymore kids into this world! One more thing, you better hope the car your cart hits isn't mine!

Like they say techno, karma is a b*tch!

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So you put the cart away when you don't have the kids with you, and you're fine with that?

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Sure. I put my cart away most of the time. But that's not what we're arguing about. All the hate started after I posted this:

"And if you have little ones with you and it's just you, nobody should expect you to wheel the cart over to a corral. Safety of the kids comes before carts any day."

This "exception to the rule" really got people's ire up. And no matter how many different ways it was explained, no matter how many other parents came and supported the position, people just kept arguing against it.

Based on some of the responses, people honestly believe that carts in the parking lot are more important than the safety of children. Go back and read some of the arguments. It's amazing.

Then of course it devolved into a hatefest with people like Cat here suggesting repeatedly I shouldn't bring kids into the world, I'm scum of the earth, etc. Unbelievable.

I agree with what a mother stated earlier, you can tell who the parents are. There will come a day when some of these posters who have made such hateful remarks are shopping alone with a baby or small child, and they will find themselves alone with their shopping cart, their baby in a hot car, and the corral some distance from the car. When that day comes, I strongly doubt they will leave the child to return the cart.

But I could be wrong. Judging by some of the insane comments here that my position has generated, there may well be people who would leave or otherwise endanger their children to return the stupid cart.

Techno I'm a parent also and you will never find my kids alone in a hot car. My kids stay in the cart while I load, then ride on the cart to the corral, then come back with me, where I then load them in the car. How can you not see that this is a better solution than just leaving your cart? You refuse to believe that there might actually be different ways of doing things. Your density, self-centeredness, and narrow-mindedness are both appalling and disturbing.

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Your density, self-centeredness, and narrow-mindedness are appalling and disturbing.

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Oh, SKF, I expected better from you, man! Don't stoop to name calling and insults after doing so well for so long.

You can't see any situation in which you have your small children and putting up the cart would endanger them? Really? Because that's what I'm saying here. Sure, bring the kids with you to put the cart up if you can. Sure, park near a corral if you can. But if you have small children and you find yourself in a situation that would endanger the kids by putting it up ... Forget the cart.

To argue with that stance, SKF, that attitude of safety first and concern for your kids ... *that* is a disturbing and appalling thing ...

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You can't see any situation in which you have your small children and putting up the cart would endanger them?

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No, I really don't. Please give a detailed example of a situation where putting your cart up in the manner that SKF described would endanger your kids. I would really like to know.

techno, I also am a mother of 2 and my oldest will graduate from A&M next year and my youngest is a freshman at A&M and when they were young, I never left them in a hot car to return a cart, I simply took them with me to put it away. Unless there is a gun man in the parking lot, your kids are not in any danger if take them with you to put the cart away, nobody asked you to lock them in a hot car. You simply have one way of thinking and can't look at things any other way and this safety thing is ridiculous. However, I also would love to hear you explain these dangerous situations that your kids are placed in by you returning a cart. I anxiously be awaiting your reply! (I hope you can tell that was sarcasm but somehow I doubt it)

No I'm not arguing with kids over cart. But no I can't imagine a situation that would require me to leave them in the car. Ever. I'm more safety-conscious and paranoid than 95% of people. I don't agree with the people that say you can leave your kids in the car for 15 seconds while you return the cart. The eternal pessimist in me says no. Never. No way. There is always a small risk of something happening to me on the way back to the car.

It's simple problem solving to me. The problem is how do I get the kids in the car without inconveniencing others or damaging their property. My solution is to keep the kids with me and in sight at ALL times, by taking them with me when I return the cart. Our in other words cleaning up my own mess (the cart). If there is a simpler solution that allows me to achieve both goals please share.



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techno....is that you kaggie?

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Glad you're beginning to see it our way. I'll be the judge as to when I feel the need to put up the cart, or leave it, especially when the kiddos are involved. I'll put you down on the pro children safety side, despite your reservations.

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I hope you realize I am on the side of "stop being lazy and put up your cart." As I said before, sure there are extreme situations, but those are few. You should be able to return your cart 95% of the time without endangering your child. The fact is that you can put up your cart without endangering your child most of the time. Extreme cases might include things like extreme weather conditions, unlit parking lots in a bad neighborhood, sick child.. And even then, you should have probably made an effort to park by a cart return.

I take my son with me to return my cart, he's perfectly safe with me and hell.. you burn a few more calories that way.

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... and the judge says, "I agree, son. When I've got the kids with me, to heck with the cart!"

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Techno,

I stand corrected. It is not that you are clueless. You are delusional. Please, go back to the doc and tell him to up adjust your meds

Holy crap I would pay REAL MONEY to see that court scenario played out and you finally get educated on the subject.

P.S. I will edit this again in a few to give a tally of those for and against. NOT posts for an against, but individuals for and against. You think more agree with you? Like I said.. up the meds.

HERE IT IS.....

FOR putting the cart up:
Aggie Jenna
Charliemac
AggieJason
EMY92
double b
Nom De Plume
csnole
agfan92
montegobay
rock the good ag 90'
TXElsie
harley98
aggieknit
txyaloo
Aggidfan54
Mr.Short-termMemory
awesome12atm - Smart Alec comment !
bugle rank '87
mymainname3
BurnetAg
Sweet Kitten Feet
Dakota01
Allonym
NFLFAN
OnlyANobody
jimmyb - because he says he returns his and other peoples
The Anchor
AgFan1999
cat1070
BlueTeam02
Clucky
ltaylor
AggieBB
the todd
taxpreparer
zbeagle
Another Frugal Mom
rrtodds
J. Walter Weatherman
4lilmonkeys
chevis8
Hammerheadjim
syrei
op_06
4x4xfar
cplstansfield - talked about germs on the cart so isnt buying the safety angle
Kudzu



Against putting the cart up:
techno-ag
Laurentum05
MommaBear
serinde


Not Sure could go either way (mostly because they just gave a smart a** comment or said so):
MaroonMommy
BVbuilder
Tariny
Titanius Anglesmith
SumAggie
Another Frugal Mom
RV Ag
wapa
cplstansfield
Kattx07
jed1154


So techno... still feeling superior in the support you have for your cause? a couple of those I listed as against I only did so because they were against the people who were against you, they never said "KIDS SAFETY" blah blah blah....

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Al, Al, Al. (Shaking head in disbelief). What makes you think I'm against putting carts up? Never said that. I'm all for putting carts up. It doesn't bother me like it does some of y'all to see carts out of the corral, but I am all for putting them up and do it on a regular basis.

No, you haven't been reading my posts. Or if you have, you haven't been understanding them. Let me try and make this clear for you and all the other anti-child safety people:

Here is the narrow scenario others were requesting. You have a small child while shopping. Let's say a baby. You are alone, and no one helps you with the groceries. Everything is put up in the car, then for whatever reason you decide for the safety of the baby to ... (wait for it) ... just leave the cart where it is. What could that potential situation be? Could it be bad weather? Maybe it started raining on the way to the car and you don't want your baby to get soaked while taking her back and forth from the car to the corral. Could it be a suspicious person lurking near the corral? It doesn't matter. You have a judgment call to make as a responsible parent. If you deem it safer to not return the cart, then by all means ... just ... leave ... the ... cart ... Period.

Your child's safety is more important than a shopping cart. Always will be, and it doesn't matter how many people here disagree with that.

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Based on some of the responses, people honestly believe that carts in the parking lot are more important than the safety of children.

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Nobody believes that carts are more important than children. Not a single person has argued that. To a person, everyone disagreeing with you has said this is a false choice - an excuse for bad behavior on your part.

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I agree with what a mother stated earlier, you can tell who the parents are.

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Then either you can't read or you think many of us are lying. I have 4 children. The oldest is 11, the youngest is 5. While it is easier now that they aren't quite so young (like just about everything else) both myself and Mrs. Beagle have always been able to return our shopping carts when shopping with the kids.

If you read this thread, there are people at all points in life - mothers, fathers, grandmothers (although I'm not sure I've seen a grandfather, yet) - lining up to tell you that you are simply presenting a false dilemma. Are all these people wrong, or are they just much more capable than you when it comes to shopping? If we are all just recklessly endangering our children then where are all the bodies? Do you have any data to back up your claim? Even one case?

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You are alone, and no one helps you with the groceries. Everything is put up in the car, then for whatever reason you decide for the safety of the baby to ... (wait for it) ... just leave the cart where it is. What could that potential situation be? Could it be bad weather? Maybe it started raining on the way to the car and you don't want your baby to get soaked while taking her back and forth from the car to the corral. Could it be a suspicious person lurking near the corral?

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This is a different set of circumstances than you have argued to date. These circumstances might influence what you do with or without a child.

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Let me try and make this clear for you and all the other anti-child safety people:

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Ok folks... STOP FEEDING THE TROLL. It's like mud-wrestling with a pig. You get dirty and techno here is having waaaaaaaaay too much fun.

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