O'Doyle Rules said:EMY92 said:
Depends on the cargo. An MRAP that broke free on takeoff took down a 747 very quickly when leaving Bagram. The nose went up and there was nothing that could be done to level the plane.
That plane was likely carrying light cardboard boxes . Not tanks.
Jesus, are we really going to get into the weeds? You knew exactly what I was talking about, and in common nomenclature application when an engine either loses fuel or the ability to perform combustion as a result of a loss of fuel or air, calling it a stalled engine is not uncommon.CanyonAg77 said:No.sc said:
Yes, methane or other gas that is in high enough concentration to deprive the engine of oxygen can cause a stall.
An engine failure is not a stall.
A stall is an aerodynamic event where the wing loses lift, usually a speed/angle of attack problem.
And it would have to be a HUGE gas pocket to stop an engine. A plane going as slow as 100mph would be in and out of a football-field sized gas pocket in two seconds. Barely enough time to make the engine stumble.
The closest thing to that happening has been airliners flying through volcanic ash. And it was erosion and clogging of internal parts that caused their failures.
CanyonAg77 said:
Words matter. "Stall" has a specific meaning in aviation.
Personally, there is a wealth of knowledge on the board, and I enjoy being informed by people who know what they're talking about.
must.......not......be........condescending.......Deats said:
Best part is your wrong.
CanyonAg77 said:must.......not......be........condescending.......Deats said:
Best part is your wrong.
Hey, I freely admit I can be a smartass. It's what I do.
However, discerning someone's tone from what they write is a superpower I don't claim, unlike others.
Wow. If there was ever a post with a severe lack of self-awareness, this is it.schmellba99 said:
This crap right here is what is making the OB harder to tolerate these days. It's like everybody looks for a hair to split just so they can thump their chest and talk about how they are more right than the next guy.
I Am A Critic said:Wow. If there was ever a post with a severe lack of self-awareness, this is it.schmellba99 said:
This crap right here is what is making the OB harder to tolerate these days. It's like everybody looks for a hair to split just so they can thump their chest and talk about how they are more right than the next guy.
cbr said:
Wth happened to this thread?
Boxed cargo will move by air 1 of 2 ways.NRD09 said:
While we're arguing minutiae...
the comment that keeps getting quoted that the plane was probably filled with light cardboard boxes keeps bugging me. Don't they box/pad/label at the distribution centers? I'd expect anything delivered by air to be packed a bit more efficiently
AgGrad99 said:
This was absolutely palletized or containerized loads. I diont know of any operator with an aircraft that size, operating in bulk configuration. It would be more expensive, and much much less efficient.
But cargo shift didnt cause this. That would be more likely to occur on takeoff or because of an event. But this was a controlled/normal descent....until a sudden dive. Doesnt look anything like a cg shift.
Something else had to have occurred.
And stall has a specific meaning with respect to engines too. Which, coincidentally, is what was being discussed in the theoretical world.CanyonAg77 said:
Words matter. "Stall" has a specific meaning in aviation.
Personally, there is a wealth of knowledge on the board, and I enjoy being informed by people who know what they're talking about.
Quote:
verb
verb: stall; 3rd person present: stalls; past tense: stalled; past participle: stalled; gerund or present participle: stalling
[ol]1.
(of a motor vehicle or its engine) stop running, typically because of an overload on the engine.
"her car stalled at the crossroads"
- (of an aircraft or its pilot) reach a condition where the speed is too low to allow effective operation of the controls.
- Sailing
have insufficient wind power in the sails to give controlled motion.- cause (an engine, vehicle, aircraft, or boat) to stall.
2. [/ol]
stop or cause to stop making progress.
I think most of us could work on how we address each other online. I think a good rule of thumb is to treat others how you would treat them in person. If someone was wrong in person...or "technically wrong" in a hair splitting way...you wouldn't say "No. An engine failure is not a stall.". Seems kind of normal to type that on a mostly anonymous forum but someone who talks like that in person would universally be considered an ******* or childish for not using any tact whatsoever. I've been a fan of CanyonAg77's for years and know he's not an a-holeschmellba99 said:
This crap right here is what is making the OB harder to tolerate these days. It's like everybody looks for a hair to split just so they can thump their chest and talk about how they are more right than the next guy.
If CG shift is out then it sounds like loss of elevator control somehow, right?gomerschlep said:
Was talking to one of our FW pilots today. The plane was on a totally normal approach at about 6500ft then made a nose down pitch. Hit the bay basically flying straight down. In a cargo aircraft my mind always jumps to unsecured payload or a cargo shift, but I don't think that could be so severe as to pitch straight down so suddenly.
