Without it I would have quit long before I did lol.Kenneth_2003 said:
Auto pilot is great, but I think the fact that it's engaged for 99.5% of a flight is putting too many "technicians" in the cockpit and not enough "aviators."
Maybe Ender Wiggin?expresswrittenconsent said:jack reacher, is that you?TxAg20 said:
It's either something I've always had or acquired through elementary school fights. I'm not sure which.
I'm not a pilot, and never said I was.Burnsey said:Don't fly with this guy.gomerschlep said:It's been mentioned on here before, but a CG shift would most likely take place and have the most detrimental effect on take-off, not during a standard descent. It sounds like whatever happened it was very sudden. I also don't really think it was intentional. If I was a pilot and wanted to commit suicide I would have crashed it into one of the large refineries nearby, not the bay.80sGeorge said:If CG shift is out then it sounds like loss of elevator control somehow, right?gomerschlep said:
Was talking to one of our FW pilots today. The plane was on a totally normal approach at about 6500ft then made a nose down pitch. Hit the bay basically flying straight down. In a cargo aircraft my mind always jumps to unsecured payload or a cargo shift, but I don't think that could be so severe as to pitch straight down so suddenly.
You had us all at "If I was a pilot"gomerschlep said:I'm not a pilot, and never said I was.Burnsey said:Don't fly with this guy.gomerschlep said:It's been mentioned on here before, but a CG shift would most likely take place and have the most detrimental effect on take-off, not during a standard descent. It sounds like whatever happened it was very sudden. I also don't really think it was intentional. If I was a pilot and wanted to commit suicide I would have crashed it into one of the large refineries nearby, not the bay.80sGeorge said:If CG shift is out then it sounds like loss of elevator control somehow, right?gomerschlep said:
Was talking to one of our FW pilots today. The plane was on a totally normal approach at about 6500ft then made a nose down pitch. Hit the bay basically flying straight down. In a cargo aircraft my mind always jumps to unsecured payload or a cargo shift, but I don't think that could be so severe as to pitch straight down so suddenly.
EMY92 said:
Depends on the cargo. An MRAP that broke free on takeoff took down a 747 very quickly when leaving Bagram. The nose went up and there was nothing that could be done to level the plane.
That makes sense as there was a frontal boundary moving thru the Houston area at the time of the crash. Was not a solid line of storms but there were storms scattered along the front as it past thru. Eerie timing.dradkins said:
I spoke with an airplane mechanic today that works at IAH airport and he said he is guessing a water spout or mini tornado.
Don't kill the messenger just telling what he said. He said they have been told not to speak to any media.
TexasAggie_02 said:
Is it a coincidence that the FAA came out today forbidding lithium ion batteries in the cargo hold of passenger aircraft, and all batteries shipped in cargo planes (new batteries for sale) cannot carry a charge of over 30% capacity?
AgLA06 said:EMY92 said:
Depends on the cargo. An MRAP that broke free on takeoff took down a 747 very quickly when leaving Bagram. The nose went up and there was nothing that could be done to level the plane.
Any chance of pushing nose down in this situation?
I don't think they were anywhere near the squall line. And isn't a waterspout simply a tornado over water?dradkins said:
I spoke with an airplane mechanic today that works at IAH airport and he said he is guessing a water spout or mini tornado.
Don't kill the messenger just telling what he said. He said they have been told not to speak to any media.
danieljustin06 said:TxAg20 said:
Looking at the storm this plane was looking to avoid, it could have been dissipating or in "gust out phase" which can cause severe wind shear. This is the storm phase that caused the L-1011 crash going into DFW years ago.
This was my first thought. Possibly a microburst.
I drive that stretch of highway almost everyday. See planes flying right over and think about how crazy that scene must have been.91AggieLawyer said:danieljustin06 said:TxAg20 said:
Looking at the storm this plane was looking to avoid, it could have been dissipating or in "gust out phase" which can cause severe wind shear. This is the storm phase that caused the L-1011 crash going into DFW years ago.
This was my first thought. Possibly a microburst.
August 1985. Delivering pizza that day not far from the airport, keeping up with the news over the radio during my delivery runs. I almost got hit by a fire vehicle (not service engine; Suburban type) apparently headed out to the scene before I knew anything about it. However, the Delta plane in that crash was only a few hundred feet off the ground when it hit the microburst.
What I thought was amazing about that crash was the news interviewed a passenger who survived. He was being carted off to an ambulance and the news guy asked him what he thought happened. The guy said something like, "I think we had a wind shear..." I had never heard of that before. But then again, I was only 18 at the time.
Crash site was right at the top of the bay.CanyonAg77 said:I don't think they were anywhere near the squall line. And isn't a waterspout simply a tornado over water?dradkins said:
I spoke with an airplane mechanic today that works at IAH airport and he said he is guessing a water spout or mini tornado.
Don't kill the messenger just telling what he said. He said they have been told not to speak to any media.
jabberwalkie09 said:AgLA06 said:EMY92 said:
Depends on the cargo. An MRAP that broke free on takeoff took down a 747 very quickly when leaving Bagram. The nose went up and there was nothing that could be done to level the plane.
Any chance of pushing nose down in this situation?
That crash was unrecoverable if I'm reading Wikipedia correctly. Two things happened, 1) load shift making a pitch up stall and 2) load shifted cargo disabled the rear flight controls.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Airlines_Flight_102
Kenneth_2003 said:jabberwalkie09 said:AgLA06 said:EMY92 said:
Depends on the cargo. An MRAP that broke free on takeoff took down a 747 very quickly when leaving Bagram. The nose went up and there was nothing that could be done to level the plane.
Any chance of pushing nose down in this situation?
That crash was unrecoverable if I'm reading Wikipedia correctly. Two things happened, 1) load shift making a pitch up stall and 2) load shifted cargo disabled the rear flight controls.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Airlines_Flight_102
The MRAP broke through the pressure bulkhead and broke or dislodged the jack screw for the elevators. All control to the rear flight controls that handle pitch were severed. The plane in that crash was uncontrollable.
Stat Monitor Repairman said:
So ... we have a presumably intact aircraft dropping out the sky nose down.
Where does that leave us as far as viable theories?
I don't think it's that amazing. Flight Aware and other sites routinely track aircraft. For around $100 you can build an ADS-B receiver and track any ADS-B equipped aircraft within 100 miles or so, depending on antennae.GSPag` said:
I live in Anahuac. No one has come forward claiming to have seen a water spout.
I was also in the squall line right before the crash. It was passing through Mont Belvieu. And it was moving NE. It came out of nowhere. Then was gone.
Canyon, I have seen that video. Amazing he has that info.
CanyonAg77 said:
I wonder if the crash investigators want any of the debris, or if they consider it unnecessary
Still looking for the FDR and CVR boxes.Quote:
Sheriff Hawthorne appreciates the help and commitment of the Houston Police Department Dive Team pictured starting the grid search on hands and knees at the site of the crash of flight 3591 in Trinity Bay.
