https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/texans/article/houston-texans-nfl-draft-day-trade-will-anderson-17922489.php

"It's an important distinction that the Texans sent the Cardinals their own first-round pick in 2024, a person with knowledge of the terms said, and held on to the final first-rounder acquired from the Browns. They are essentially betting on themselves, believing their record will not have them picking in the top three again for the third straight season."

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/36307434/texans-select-cj-stroud-no-2-overall-pick-nfl-draft

"The Texans still own the Cleveland Browns' 2024 first-round pick from last year's Deshaun Watson trade."

The Texans are giving up...

1) the 2nd-best player still left on the board
2) Possibly Caleb Williams or Drake Maye. Maybe Marvin Harrison Jr. or Brock Bowers.
3) and a R3 / R4 swap

...just to move up 9 spots in Round 1.

This was a HORRIFIC trade.https://t.co/N94EAMy0li

— Scott Barrett (@ScottBarrettDFB) April 28, 2023

This is how I feel.

Full disclosure, I am one of the fans who completely lost interest because or the organizational dysfunction over the past few years.

The combination of new coach and two top picks had me wanting to come back. Stupid **** like this just shows me how incompetent the leadership of the organization really is. Stroud and Anderson are great players…. but they don't make us a contender. We have so many more holes to fill and the combination everything we had in the next two drafts is what was going to start to build the foundation. We couldn't afford to trade 3* first rounders (I'm counting 33 as one) for just one pick.

Or if we did, it needed to be a generational QB. Not an edge rusher with a really high floor.

Well here's the argument that it's not horrible...

33 is not a 1st. It helps your argument so you include it but it's a 2nd rounder.

And a bunch of possibly and maybes being thrown around.

Reality is they filled their 2 biggest needs with 2 top end talents that are ready to contribute ASAP.

Wrec86 Ag said:

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The Texans are giving up...

1) the 2nd-best player still left on the board
2) Possibly Caleb Williams or Drake Maye. Maybe Marvin Harrison Jr. or Brock Bowers.
3) and a R3 / R4 swap

...just to move up 9 spots in Round 1.

This was a HORRIFIC trade.https://t.co/N94EAMy0li

— Scott Barrett (@ScottBarrettDFB) April 28, 2023

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Will Anderson is a premium prospect with an almost universal top 3 grade, so if we can speculate on 2024 picks by name, then we can refer to Anderson by name and not just as an Edge.

How many reports were there about how shallow the pool of elite prospects and even first round prospects are in this draft. The 3 vs the 12 has more value in this draft than others. The 33 vs the 65 and the 73 they have in the third may not have much additional value.

Calling a second round pick, basically a first round pick, especially in this draft is just fitting the narrative to your viewpoint.

There are way too many fantasy nerds turned draft experts on Twitter these days.

And at the end of the day it's drafting. Everyone wants to look at it and evaluate it using certainties when in reality there are no certainties.

Stroud could be a complete and utter bust of shlt show QB, but so could Young. Hell every pick the Texans make this year could be a bust. BoB actually accomplished this a couple years which is actually quite impressive.

The best you can do is look at your needs and find a way to get the best player to fill those needs. I feel like that's what they did.

Just a reminder, the Texans still have 10 picks left in this draft. They will add two more players tonight early in the third round and will start day 3 off with the 2nd and 3rd picks in the 4th round. That is if they don't use some of that capital to move up.

They also still have 10 picks in next year's draft. From 2022-2024 they will add somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 players to the roster via the draft.

This was an aggressive trade, but they havent mortgaged anything.

The Texans have two 3's and two 4's as well as six picks over 5-7. If they don't move into the second you still have a chance at a lot of decent talent.

For everyone crapping on the trade, they got 2 of the top 5 players in the draft vs getting 1 of the top players and other guys you didn't have as high a grade on.

If they actually get 12 drafted players, you get everything y'all are whining about.

coastalAg said:

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Just a reminder, the Texans still have 10 picks left in this draft. They will add two more players tonight early in the third round and will start day 3 off with the 2nd and 3rd picks in the 4th round. That is if they don't use some of that capital to move up.

They also still have 10 picks in next year's draft. From 2022-2024 they will add somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 players to the roster via the draft.

This was an aggressive trade, but they havent mortgaged anything.

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This is important perspective. We gave up a lot to get what should be elite talent but we also had a lot to give up. You stack draft capital so you package it and get these kind of players.

33 could end up being Mayer, Branch or Porter Jr. Could have also been used on one of the top centers. While nothing is certain, that's an additional starter or at least significant snap contributor.

You also gave up a Top 15 player in next year's daft that would have been a starter/contributor.

If you consider 12 + 33 + next year's 1 to be significant contributors, you traded three players for one with a roster that is in the bottom third of the league (and that's being generous).

Anderson may end up being a Pro Bowl player or All Pro, but he needs to be with the package that was given up. Consensus was coming in while we was a top player in the draft, he was not on the level of a Myles Garrett or Bosa brothers, and that's a problem.

Only time will tell if Anderson > than Van Ness + Mayer/Schmitz/Tippmann/Porter Jr + Texans 2024 1st now owned by the Cardinals

So instead of trading down and upgrading your roster, you now give up a ton. And btw, look who still is on the board. Idiots, just idiots

coastalAg said:

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Just a reminder, the Texans still have 10 picks left in this draft. They will add two more players tonight early in the third round and will start day 3 off with the 2nd and 3rd picks in the 4th round. That is if they don't use some of that capital to move up.

They also still have 10 picks in next year's draft. From 2022-2024 they will add somewhere in the neighborhood of 30 players to the roster via the draft.

This was an aggressive trade, but they havent mortgaged anything.

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Agree, and I admit I had some sticker shock when the trade was made, but after that wore off I'm pretty good with the trade. I'm also betting that we use one of the 3rds mixed in with 1 or 2 later round picks to move back up into the 2nd

Lake08 said:

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So instead of trading down and upgrading your roster, you now give up a ton. And btw, look who still is on the board. Idiots, just idiots

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Says the guy who told me Levis was going #1 overall.

Ag_07 said:

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Well here's the argument that it's not horrible...

33 is not a 1st. It helps your argument so you include it but it's a 2nd rounder.

And a bunch of possibly and maybes being thrown around.

Reality is they filled their 2 biggest needs with 2 top end talents that are ready to contribute ASAP.

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And they filled not just their two biggest needs but the most important positions on each side of the ball with elite talent

Ranger222 said:

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33 could end up being Mayer, Branch or Porter Jr. Could have also been used on one of the top centers. While nothing is certain, that's an additional starter or at least significant snap contributor.

You also gave up a Top 15 player in next year's daft that would have been a starter/contributor.

If you consider 12 + 33 + next year's 1 to be significant contributors, you traded three players for one with a roster that is in the bottom third of the league (and that's being generous).

Anderson may end up being a Pro Bowl player or All Pro, but he needs to be with the package that was given up. Consensus was coming in while we was a top player in the draft, he was not on the level of a Myles Garrett or Bosa brothers, and that's a problem.

Only time will tell if Anderson > than Van Ness + Mayer/Schmitz/Tippmann/Porter Jr + Texans 2024 1st now owned by the Cardinals

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I have definitely run through these scenarios. Stroud + Gonzalez/Van Ness + Mayer would look nice. So would Anderson + Gonzalez + Levis/Hooker.

I am also justifying the risk some because I am a fan who is tired of being miserable. They have at least made a statement that they want to win and Demeco has two foundational players to groom.

I'm genuinely surprised how many people don't like the move. I love it. It's nice being aggressive for once and taking a big swing.

Harry Dunne said:

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Lake08 said:

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So instead of trading down and upgrading your roster, you now give up a ton. And btw, look who still is on the board. Idiots, just idiots

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Says the guy who told me Levis was going #1 overall.

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He's talking about Levis? Wow, the fact that no one jumped back into the 1st round to take him should show that every team thinks he's a big time project, because every team passed on the opportunity to keep him on a rookie contract for 5 years.

texasaggie2015 said:

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I'm genuinely surprised how many people don't like the move. I love it. It's nice being aggressive for once and taking a big swing.

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Actually, most people really love the move. A lot (like me) were just caught up in sticker shock at the beginning.

Heard a good interview with Caserio this morning where he said (paraphrasing) the Jimmy Johnson chart is great in a vacuum where the players are hypothetical and we're talking about general "value", but when you are actually there with not just a value but a specific player up for grabs & you believe a guy can be a difference maker, you go get him.

In other words if you think a guy is the next JJ Watt, you're OK giving up a lot for him.

I have no idea whether it was a good trade or not. I feel good about the concept of letting the guy you hired because you thought he was great do his job and make a move to get a star and attempt to fill two very important positions in which we have dire need for game changers. In the end it all comes down to whether Caserio is good at his job or not, and only time will tell. But IMO you brought the man here because you believed in him, so let him do his job.

Lake08 said:

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Harry Dunne said:

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Lake08 said:

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So instead of trading down and upgrading your roster, you now give up a ton. And btw, look who still is on the board. Idiots, just idiots

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Says the guy who told me Levis was going #1 overall.

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Huh? Show me where I EVER said that

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From the Aggie Football forum Young vs. Stroud thread. I bumped it there, for your viewing pleasure...

Lake08 said:

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Harry Dunne said:

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This. Use the 2nd or 3rd round pick on a QB. There isn't a no-doubt QB out there, so roll the dice on Hooker or Levis and choose difference-makers in the first round.

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Levis in the 2nd or 3rd??? Um, you realize he could go #1 overall

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What Vegas odds had Levis as the favorite to go #1?

Young was the overwhelming betting favorite for awhile.

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All I said was that some experts had Levi's going 1. Vegas odds even said that.

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Things that never happened for $100 Alex.

Levis was never the favorite, not even close.

The odds dropped like that because someone on Redditt posted Levis was telling everyone he already had a deal with the Panthers.

Harry Dunne said:

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Heard a good interview with Caserio this morning where he said (paraphrasing) the Jimmy Johnson chart is great in a vacuum where the players are hypothetical and we're talking about general "value", but when you are actually there with not just a value but a specific player up for grabs & you believe a guy can be a difference maker, you go get him.

In other words if you think a guy is the next JJ Watt, you're OK giving up a lot for him.

I have no idea whether it was a good trade or not. I feel good about the concept of letting the guy you hired because you thought he was great do his job and make a move to get a star and attempt to fill two very important positions in which we have dire need for game changers. In the end it all comes down to whether Caserio is good at his job or not, and only time will tell. But IMO you brought the man here because you believed in him, so let him do his job.

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Sounds like the logic of a GM who thinks he only has 1 year left