I like Mayer but don't worry the Texans taking a TE at some point in the 3/4 rounds is as sure a bet as Dubon getting a hit in a game this season for the Astros
*******The Official Houston Texans 2023: The reign of Meco thread************
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Love when people talk $h!t and then vehemently deny it. "I WOULD NEVER!!!" (clutching pearls)Lake08 said:Harry Dunne said:Says the guy who told me Levis was going #1 overall.Lake08 said:
So instead of trading down and upgrading your roster, you now give up a ton. And btw, look who still is on the board. Idiots, just idiots
Huh? Show me where I EVER said that
And I get it. It certainly is a statement for a fanbase that has been miserable the past three years. These are two potential franchise cornerstone players on either side of the ball that should bring fans back and keep excitement up for the next couple years.
It just contradicts my version of preferred team building -- accumulate a warchest of draft capital (especially day 1 and 2 picks) and get as many rolls of the dice as possible. Texans were set up for that - and risked it. It may pay off, may not. I think the franchise just risked putting it all on red/black which is not my preferred method of building a team. It would not have been as exciting or generated the same amount of buzz (which are also factors into this equation), but I would have preferred the slow build (and nothing says that strategy would have worked in the end either).
It just contradicts my version of preferred team building -- accumulate a warchest of draft capital (especially day 1 and 2 picks) and get as many rolls of the dice as possible. Texans were set up for that - and risked it. It may pay off, may not. I think the franchise just risked putting it all on red/black which is not my preferred method of building a team. It would not have been as exciting or generated the same amount of buzz (which are also factors into this equation), but I would have preferred the slow build (and nothing says that strategy would have worked in the end either).
i'm not personally high on stroud, but texans (and others) apparently are.
if they are right, this was fantastic night for them. they didn't give up too much for anderson. you need elite players, they got one with him
if they are right, this was fantastic night for them. they didn't give up too much for anderson. you need elite players, they got one with him
I agree 100% with this approach. You have numerous picks and should use them to take BPA available until you at least have a solid team. Then you go for the "all in" trades.Ranger222 said:
And I get it. It certainly is a statement for a fanbase that has been miserable the past three years. These are two potential franchise cornerstone players on either side of the ball that should bring fans back and keep excitement up for the next couple years.
It just contradicts my version of preferred team building -- accumulate a warchest of draft capital (especially day 1 and 2 picks) and get as many rolls of the dice as possible. Texans were set up for that - and risked it. It may pay off, may not. I think the franchise just risked putting it all on red/black which is not my preferred method of building a team. It would not have been as exciting or generated the same amount of buzz (which are also factors into this equation), but I would have preferred the slow build (and nothing says that strategy would have worked in the end either).
Overall (and I reserve the opportunity to change my mind), I'm happy with what they did yesterday.
You NEEDED a quarterback, and while Stroud is not perfect, he is a good prospect. He has every physical attribute a quarterback needs, and has accuracy you can't teach. And, listening to him talk and watching his reactions last night, I think he has a little bit of a chip on his shoulder (in a good way). The two comparison I've seen the most with him are Jared Goff and Joe Burrow. I don't think he'll be as good as Burrow, although he is comparable physically. I think Goff is a good floor for what to expect from him. If he somewhere in between Burrow and Goff, I'll take it. We weren't going to get Caleb Williams next season, so roll the dice with the best guy available. I see little bust potential here. I don't know that he'll be a MVP type guy, but I don't see a bust.
As for Anderson, I see it similarly as I see Stroud. I see very little bust potential. Anderson is very likely going to be a real good NFL pass rusher. A guy who makes Pro Bowls. BUT, is he worth all that we traded to get him? I don't know. Unless he becomes a Von Miller-type, we probably overpaid. If that second rounder had been a third or if the 2024 first was instead a second, I would feel much better about this. But, it isn't.
I think Caserio was under pressure to do something big. The Texans haven't given their fans much of anything to be happy about in a long time. He may have been more likely to part with picks next year because he knows that if things don't go well, he may not be around next year to use those picks...maybe? The Texans swung for the fences and added two guys at the very top of the draft who likely will be your captains on both sides of the ball for the foreseeable future. Neither has character concerns. Both have elite traits. So push in your chips and let DeMeco and his staff develop them.
As it has been pointed out by others, although I hate to give up first or second day picks, the Texans still have a TON of picks. One of the reasons you acquire all of these picks is so that you have the ammo to go up and get a player you really want. The Texans really wanted Stroud and Anderson. Time will tell if they were right, but just stockpiling more and more picks isn't necessarily the answer either. And, Caserio loves to move up and down in the draft. I strongly suspect he'll package one of those third rounders with other picks to go up and get somebody they like in the 2nd. Also, he seems to have done a decent job in his time here of finding guys who can play in the mid and late rounds. His predecessors mostly whiffed in these rounds.
We can Monday morning quarterback this to death, but the Texans have greatly improved the talent on their roster this offseason. Unlikely to be a playoff contender this season, but they will be fun to watch. And, for the first time in a long time, you see a core that has the potential to be really good. Been a long time since I was optimistic about the Texans.
You NEEDED a quarterback, and while Stroud is not perfect, he is a good prospect. He has every physical attribute a quarterback needs, and has accuracy you can't teach. And, listening to him talk and watching his reactions last night, I think he has a little bit of a chip on his shoulder (in a good way). The two comparison I've seen the most with him are Jared Goff and Joe Burrow. I don't think he'll be as good as Burrow, although he is comparable physically. I think Goff is a good floor for what to expect from him. If he somewhere in between Burrow and Goff, I'll take it. We weren't going to get Caleb Williams next season, so roll the dice with the best guy available. I see little bust potential here. I don't know that he'll be a MVP type guy, but I don't see a bust.
As for Anderson, I see it similarly as I see Stroud. I see very little bust potential. Anderson is very likely going to be a real good NFL pass rusher. A guy who makes Pro Bowls. BUT, is he worth all that we traded to get him? I don't know. Unless he becomes a Von Miller-type, we probably overpaid. If that second rounder had been a third or if the 2024 first was instead a second, I would feel much better about this. But, it isn't.
I think Caserio was under pressure to do something big. The Texans haven't given their fans much of anything to be happy about in a long time. He may have been more likely to part with picks next year because he knows that if things don't go well, he may not be around next year to use those picks...maybe? The Texans swung for the fences and added two guys at the very top of the draft who likely will be your captains on both sides of the ball for the foreseeable future. Neither has character concerns. Both have elite traits. So push in your chips and let DeMeco and his staff develop them.
As it has been pointed out by others, although I hate to give up first or second day picks, the Texans still have a TON of picks. One of the reasons you acquire all of these picks is so that you have the ammo to go up and get a player you really want. The Texans really wanted Stroud and Anderson. Time will tell if they were right, but just stockpiling more and more picks isn't necessarily the answer either. And, Caserio loves to move up and down in the draft. I strongly suspect he'll package one of those third rounders with other picks to go up and get somebody they like in the 2nd. Also, he seems to have done a decent job in his time here of finding guys who can play in the mid and late rounds. His predecessors mostly whiffed in these rounds.
We can Monday morning quarterback this to death, but the Texans have greatly improved the talent on their roster this offseason. Unlikely to be a playoff contender this season, but they will be fun to watch. And, for the first time in a long time, you see a core that has the potential to be really good. Been a long time since I was optimistic about the Texans.
The giant chain with the custom suit look is absolutely ridiculous. Garish.
Stroud really impressed me in some of the late-season Ohio State games I watched. I think he has a lot of potential, especially under the right coaching staff.
I had doubts about both guys but in the end I think the Texans probably landed the 2 best players in this draft. They hid how much they liked CJ but based on the phone call between Demeco and CJ they seem to really hit it off and he was always their choice after his visit.
Anderson seems very happy being drafted by Houston and playing for Demeco. The reason you gather extra pices is to use them someday to trade up. This was the first. CJ is our QB and we have no need to draft another one next year.
We also sent the Browns first instead of ours next year. A simple look at the schedule shows why. They play SF, Seattle, LA Rams, Ariz and Carolina in NFC while we play the depleted South plus ArIzona. Texans could easily finish 3-4 wins better than Cleveland next year.
Indy is gonna own last in the AFC South next year. Tenn if they dump Tanne and go with Willis could be shooting for the top pick next year. Should be interesting.
Anderson seems very happy being drafted by Houston and playing for Demeco. The reason you gather extra pices is to use them someday to trade up. This was the first. CJ is our QB and we have no need to draft another one next year.
We also sent the Browns first instead of ours next year. A simple look at the schedule shows why. They play SF, Seattle, LA Rams, Ariz and Carolina in NFC while we play the depleted South plus ArIzona. Texans could easily finish 3-4 wins better than Cleveland next year.
Indy is gonna own last in the AFC South next year. Tenn if they dump Tanne and go with Willis could be shooting for the top pick next year. Should be interesting.
I'm never going to cry foul on a team getting 2 of the top 3 picks in the draft.
You can talk all you want about who might be at the top next year, but there is zero way of knowing who will be there and how good they will be.
Caleb Williams might regress or break his leg or might get fat or might turn into Ricky Williams Jr. and just want to smoke dope all day.
I would have preferred Bryce Young over Stroud, but that's just my gut instinct; I have no idea which one is going to be better.
In a span of 15 minutes though, the Texans went from having Dameon Pierce and a bunch of nobodies to having legit ROY candidates on offense and defense and 2 super important positions. They've got guys coming into camp that I'm legitimately excited to see, and can help me forget that Derek Stingley Jr. got picked ahead of Sauce Gardner.
This is the most excited I've been since we drafted DeShaun in 2017, and while that played out terribly, he made us relevant and fun to watch for a number of years.
I'm going all in on Sunday afternoon viewing this fall, something I haven't done since after the Kansas City playoff collapse.
Somebody wake up Clay Walker, it's football time in Texas!
You can talk all you want about who might be at the top next year, but there is zero way of knowing who will be there and how good they will be.
Caleb Williams might regress or break his leg or might get fat or might turn into Ricky Williams Jr. and just want to smoke dope all day.
I would have preferred Bryce Young over Stroud, but that's just my gut instinct; I have no idea which one is going to be better.
In a span of 15 minutes though, the Texans went from having Dameon Pierce and a bunch of nobodies to having legit ROY candidates on offense and defense and 2 super important positions. They've got guys coming into camp that I'm legitimately excited to see, and can help me forget that Derek Stingley Jr. got picked ahead of Sauce Gardner.
This is the most excited I've been since we drafted DeShaun in 2017, and while that played out terribly, he made us relevant and fun to watch for a number of years.
I'm going all in on Sunday afternoon viewing this fall, something I haven't done since after the Kansas City playoff collapse.
Somebody wake up Clay Walker, it's football time in Texas!
Life is better with a beagle
I'm assuming Stroud will be starting Week 1 right? IMO you don't draft a guy #2 and not start him.
What do they do with Mills? Carry 3 QBs or trade him for lotto ticket picks?
Makes me think of that dumbass Buttchin who moved up to draft Deshaun only to open the season with Tom Savage starting. That lasted all of 2 quarters.
What do they do with Mills? Carry 3 QBs or trade him for lotto ticket picks?
Makes me think of that dumbass Buttchin who moved up to draft Deshaun only to open the season with Tom Savage starting. That lasted all of 2 quarters.
yes, Caserio was definitely under pressure to do something big.
and it feels like the rebuild is finally coming to an end.
the Texans are going to make a serious push toward 6, 7, 8, wins this year
and it feels like the rebuild is finally coming to an end.
the Texans are going to make a serious push toward 6, 7, 8, wins this year
We sent the browns first or the texans first
speaking of Stingley...
he and Kenyon are still big pieces of the turnaound.
the coaching staff needs to make them into major contributors
he and Kenyon are still big pieces of the turnaound.
the coaching staff needs to make them into major contributors
That's one thing I have really high hopes for...Demeco using Stingley correctly and getting the most out of him.
And getting green in shape
Stingley, Kenyon, Metchie, Pitre, Harris, Pierce, etc. There was a huge investment in last year's class and enough flash to be optimistic about it.W said:
speaking of Stingley...
he and Kenyon are still big pieces of the turnaound.
the coaching staff needs to make them into major contributors
One of the reasons I look more favorably on the aggressive move yesterday. We are not starting from zero. Need to stack another productive class on top of last year's. By 2024, this should be a playoff capable team if everyone has done their jobs.
Ags #1 said:
We sent the browns first or the texans first
I would assume ours.
Hopefully Stingley uses the success of the Jets CB and this draft as a sign that he needs to get his **** together and start showing up to play again.
Did he want to be a high pick and make one contract or did he want to be a really good football player?
Green I think will be fine. He was really rough his first year at A&M too. I think he'll have come back in shape and ready to roll. There's nothing from his time at A&M that would make me concerned about work ethic, etc.
But both need to be good.
Did he want to be a high pick and make one contract or did he want to be a really good football player?
Green I think will be fine. He was really rough his first year at A&M too. I think he'll have come back in shape and ready to roll. There's nothing from his time at A&M that would make me concerned about work ethic, etc.
But both need to be good.
its usually week 2 or 3Quote:
'm assuming Stroud will be starting Week 1 right? IMO you don't draft a guy #2 and not start him.
Has there ever been good buckeye NFL qb?
Reno Hightower said:
Has there ever been good buckeye NFL qb?
Joe Burrow
Reno Hightower said:
Has there ever been good buckeye NFL qb?
I keep seeing this brought up. What does this matter?
Had there ever been a good Tech QB pre-Mahomes? What about a good Wyoming QB pre-Allen? Or a good LSU QB pre-Burrow?
Hell Burrow was a tOSU QB.
Who are we looking at in the 3rd round?
I think Tillman is intriguing for a WR that could be deadly for us.
I think Tillman is intriguing for a WR that could be deadly for us.
Tonight, they need to draft a center. All of them are still on the board, and you can probably wait until the third and get a good one.
Other than that...best available player. I know they need help at receiver, but nobody available is likely to come in and make a difference. Might have to fix that problem next year. Mike Evans will be a free agent. Just saying.
Other than that...best available player. I know they need help at receiver, but nobody available is likely to come in and make a difference. Might have to fix that problem next year. Mike Evans will be a free agent. Just saying.
kind of like kyler being an a&m qb 
Realitly is fields is the best they have put out and he got most of his yards running the ball. Doesnt mean stroud cant be the next josh allen or lamar. The osu qb track record isnt good but that doesnt mean stroud cant be a top 10 qb
Realitly is fields is the best they have put out and he got most of his yards running the ball. Doesnt mean stroud cant be the next josh allen or lamar. The osu qb track record isnt good but that doesnt mean stroud cant be a top 10 qb
Has there ever been a bad Stanford QB?
Elway
Luck
oh yeah, our guy.
Elway
Luck
oh yeah, our guy.
Life is better with a beagle
No one would be saying 'Oh he's gonna be a stud because he played at USC' so why would anyone say 'He's gonna be bust because he played at tOSU'.
Systems and coaches yeah I can understand that but school doesn't mean shlt.
Systems and coaches yeah I can understand that but school doesn't mean shlt.
If you don't have a long term QB, you should draft one every other year or so. Unless you're a team that is a qb away from a Super Bowl, $40M/year to sit in QB purgatory is dumb.
Stroud may not work out but I think Nick and Co are smart enough to realize it before it's too late.
Stroud may not work out but I think Nick and Co are smart enough to realize it before it's too late.
True and I think Stingley puts it all together this season. If you were going to go with Lovie and his Cover 2 scheme long term, then Stingley was the wrong CB to pick. I still think he'll be a Pro Bowler for many years.Ag_07 said:
That's one thing I have really high hopes for...Demeco using Stingley correctly and getting the most out of him.
Ags #1 said:
kind of like kyler being an a&m qb
Difference between Stroud and the QB's you referenced is that he is an incredibly accurate passer where those QB's weren't coming out of college.
one thing we can all agree upon...
the Ohio State WR room in 2021 & 2022 >>> the Texans WR room heading into the 2023 season
the Ohio State WR room in 2021 & 2022 >>> the Texans WR room heading into the 2023 season
exactly.
the second contract is the killer
the second contract is the killer
Sorry I typed it wrong. We kept Cleveland's pick and traded ours. Betting that we are better than the Browns. I think we will have a better record than Cleveland because our schedule is much easier.
Our divisions play each other so we actually have all of the same opponents in the afc including Denver and the Jets. We both play ariz and Carolina in the nfc. The only different opponents are the Browns play SF, LAR and Seattle while we play TB, NO and Atl. They also play Cin, Piit and Balt 2 times while we get Ten. Jags Indy twice.
Our divisions play each other so we actually have all of the same opponents in the afc including Denver and the Jets. We both play ariz and Carolina in the nfc. The only different opponents are the Browns play SF, LAR and Seattle while we play TB, NO and Atl. They also play Cin, Piit and Balt 2 times while we get Ten. Jags Indy twice.
There also wasn't a history of tech QBs going in the first after putting up video game stats and sucking it up. That system plus the skill position talent brings up a valid question of whether their QBs are real. I personally think Stroud is a better prospect than any of the recent QBs there but I also think his stats are inflated.Ag_07 said:Reno Hightower said:
Has there ever been good buckeye NFL qb?
I keep seeing this brought up. What does this matter?
Had there ever been a good Tech QB pre-Mahomes? What about a good Wyoming QB pre-Allen? Or a good LSU QB pre-Burrow?
Hell Burrow was a tOSU QB.
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