cc10106 said:

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Williams is a d-bag supreme. Don't want him in Houston.

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Yes

Kyler Junior mentality.

I was just being nice regarding Williams. I can't stand the dude.

scd88 said:

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He's probably talking about the USC QB Caleb Williams. He seems like he has a lot of growing up to do.

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Of course he is. That one is obvious, but he said TWO generational QBs

mAgnoliAg said:

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scd88 said:

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He's probably talking about the USC QB Caleb Williams. He seems like he has a lot of growing up to do.

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Of course he is. That one is obvious, but he said TWO generational QBs

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Maybe the other is Maye. He's already been mentioned so I went with Williams.

Caserio is wrong here. Sure you don't let one thing make your decision, but he should absolutely be going to the pro days of qb, if they are planning to draft a qb.

You take the guys to dinner after the pro days you find out who they really are in their domain and if it's someone to build a franchise around, etc.

Many owners even attend these pro days with their gms when it's for a qb hungry team. Qb isn't something you just leave up to your scouts.

Im not sure anyone said Caserio was leaving things up to the scouts. The point was that pro days are rehearsed events in very controlled environments and dont move the needle for the Texans as much as game film.

I dont really care one way or another. Some franchises seem to be making a big show about bringing a big entourage to the pro days. That feels as much about feeding their own egos as it does about evaluating the prospect.

There are a lot of different avenues for gathering the information needed to make a decision and being thorough in your process.

This article is a good example of why pro days are important.

https://www.audacy.com/wgr550/sports/bills/bills-decided-josh-allen-was-their-franchise-quarterback-when-he-was-late-for-dinner

But hey what do I know? I do know that if caserio messes this up, he will lose his job in a few years.

Why not both gif.

Is there any reason he can't be at Pro Days day 2 & 3 guys as well as the one that his career will be based off of.

This is the time of year when a GM is their busiest, 7 days a week, 18 hours a day.

Which why he said he he doesn't go.

There are more productive things for him to do than go watch a guy throw indoors in shorts against air to his own WRs running familiar routes.

As for the interviews and all that yeah that happens when they bring them in for a visit.

I'm just a keyboard GM so I won't say that he should or shouldn't be going but I see the logic in not going.

redag06 said:

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This article is a good example of why pro days are important.

https://www.audacy.com/wgr550/sports/bills/bills-decided-josh-allen-was-their-franchise-quarterback-when-he-was-late-for-dinner

But hey what do I know? I do know that if caserio messes this up, he will lose his job in a few years.

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Pure PR bait. If the deciding factor in who to draft was really the fact that Josh Allen didnt cancel dinner plans then the Bills are luckier than they are smart.

Also, nobody is saying don't meet face to face with your potential draft picks. There are just other avenues to do so besides pro day.

On your last statement, I think we all agree. He would have been gone after last season if it were up to me.

But I think the approach and process to the coaching search and this free agency class have been better so I am willing to wait and see. Absolutely has to nail the draft though.

I personally think pro days are silly.

Let's see what this guy does in a scenario nothing like the real deal.

Pahdz said:

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You guys that argue Texans with redag06 are idiots, he will find the negatives in any Texans story

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Maybe its because the Texans have given him (and all their fans) very little to be positive about.

No arguing the records, you can't, but that wasn't my point.

redag06 said:

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This article is a good example of why pro days are important.

https://www.audacy.com/wgr550/sports/bills/bills-decided-josh-allen-was-their-franchise-quarterback-when-he-was-late-for-dinner

But hey what do I know? I do know that if caserio messes this up, he will lose his job in a few years.

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that article says nothing about going to his pro day.

Just to compare the Texans to our neighbors, since 2002 when the Texans started Houston is 4-6 in the NFL playoffs while dallas is 4-9 over the same years. If the Texans are pitiful, what are the Cowboys?

I think it's time we stop doing that about the Texans. True you can't change the records but the reason we have so much angst built up as fans is that we've seen them be close and we all want to see our team win it all.

It sucks that we haven't been good lately but a lot of these franchises that are now prolific were absolute trash for decades. Unfortunately for everyone, the past 20 years have been the Brady era and no one stacks up. Sure others won but the regular season and playoffs have been all Pats. But look over there. Same coaches, mediocre product.

I'm an admitted koolaid drinker but I'm going to remain patient. This team will eventually make its mark on the league, I hope and believe it starts with the moves they are making now. You have to draft well and hit on a QB. Let's see how they handle it.

Y'all can trash me for wanting to pass up the records debate but they are what they are. Can't change them till you do.

Agreed. I guess I don't see the reason for ****ting all over every mention of them even when they are doing good things, because they've done stupid things in the past. The franchise has only been around 20 years. It hasn't been great, but there have been good seasons, and things seem to be going in the right direction.

Cowboy Cal created one of the worst situations in all of professional sports. Until I literally see someone take a dump on his face, I reserve the right to spend the next 5 years metaphorically dumping all over his organization for any minutely idiotic thing they do.

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I get it. I will add, however, that some of the blame rests at Bob's feet, for letting the fox (BOB) in the henhouse. Cal made the even dumber decision, however, when he took over at Bob's death and doubled down on the disaster.

I really don't blame Cal too much. He was thrust into the role probably earlier than he was ready given Bob's health. I think he put too much trust into the wrong people (BOB) and the organization caught on fire.

He responded with getting rid of BOB and hiring Nick, who seemingly has a plan and seems to operate pretty well. Nick is smart and knew this would be a multi-year rebuild. Cal has signed every check to hire whatever bridge coach they wanted or were pressured to pay.

Cal has also fired Easterby, Lovie, etc. I am hopeful he learned his lesson to cut bait sooner rather than let people poison the well.

He seems to have figured out how to be an owner and is getting the fans engaged again. Sure, it was a very tough set of years but there is legitimate optimism now. Better yet, the optimism seems sustainable

Somebody is about to get trade raped...... Lamar officially requested a trade

Mr.Bond said:

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Somebody is about to get trade raped...... Lamar officially requested a trade

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What else could he do

He's kind of in a no win situation.

NFL teams are starting to finally figure things out on these QBs. Arizona and Cleveland are hosed.

Mr.Bond said:

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Somebody is about to get trade raped...... Lamar officially requested a trade

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I don't get this. He's technically a free agent right?

The fact he hasn't found a team to sign him means other teams don't agree with his value either.

What makes him think any team is gonna give up assets to trade for him AND sign him for what he wants?

Ag_07 said:

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Mr.Bond said:

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Somebody is about to get trade raped...... Lamar officially requested a trade

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I don't get this. He's technically a free agent right?

The fact he hasn't found a team to sign him means other teams don't agree with his value either.

What makes him think any team is gonna give up assets to trade for him AND sign him for what he wants?

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Because there are plenty of stupid GMs out there. We say the same thing every year in baseball when another 10 year deal is done "oh well surely GMs have learned by now this albatross of a contract isn't worth it " then BAM it happens again. Someone will overpay Lamar. Bank on it

I don't know...No one has yet.

Weird situation

Not a true free agent he was given a non-exclusive franchise tag: https://www.nfl.com/news/ravens-place-non-exclusive-franchise-tag-on-qb-lamar-jackson

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Baltimore placed the non-exclusive franchise tag on its quarterback, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported on Tuesday, per a source.

Jackson's tag will cost the Ravens $32.416 million in 2023, and they'll have until July 17 to reach a multi-year extension with the 2019 AP NFL Most Valuable Player before that number becomes permanent.

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Jackson is still free to negotiate with other teams in free agency. Should he sign an offer sheet from another organization, Baltimore will have five days to decide to match it or bow out. The Ravens therefore run the risk of being outbid and losing their franchise piece for two first-round draft picks in return.

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Ag_07 said:

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I don't know...No one has yet.

Weird situation

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If I had to bet something will be done before draft night

scd88 said:

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I like what Baltimore is doing with Lamar. I feel like they are letting the market set the contract instead of them overpaying based upon what Lamar wants. Too much cap space is being committed to the QB position for a lot of these clubs.

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Agreed

Average QBs are being paid just bc they are starters.

I do think Lamar is better than many that got a stupid contract.