How did she get into Cornell ? She can't be that smart. With what she just started she has tattooed a huge "Scarlet letter " on her face/image/name. This will follow her and affect her for DECADES!!!

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I suspect the chapter president did the smartest thing he ever decided in his life by disinviting her to the other party.
My speculation is her way of getting away from the humiliation was to go participate again and then claim rape.

The whole situation is a study in how the carnal mind/actions wrecks lives. Even in consensual participation those things never leave you. In muddy situations even more so.

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Ironically it was the thing that sunk them. For her the real issue was being shamed. Had they let her come to another party and not made it into a gangbang she wouldn't have pushed the issue and it likely would have faded away. If you read her texts it is clear the thing she was most upset about was being shunned. At worst had she shown up to another party then it would have destroyed her credibility further. By not inviting her the implication was that she was in the wrong.

I know it's incredibly messed up logic but that's almost certainly what happened based on reading the information we have.

I think she was setting them up. She had already experienced the embarrassment and was working on a way to sway sympathy to her. Again, that is speculation on my part. But it seems to match her character, from what information is available.

Don't read this wrong. The guys were just as disgusting taking part in the whole thing.

But, I think she couldn't handle the social stigma that came with it and was working on a way to get back in the good graces of the herd.

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Question overall is why is this blowing up like this? What's the political angle here?

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The thing about tapping into suburban mom pseudo-piety/white woman guilt/unmarried cat woman unhappiness for political power is that you have to keep feeding the beast.

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Why is it blowing up: it is blowing up because it plays into 2 sides applying the current Hermeneutics of Suspicion from their side against a person that they can deem "bad" according to Christian society standards. It also relies on both sides putting up blinders to their own sides faults.

On one side you have the "republican" side which is suspicious of "Me Too" movement. This is just another Duke Lax or Cornell mattress case. The woman is the worst. Woe being a man. The biggest sin is not being able to see through a lie. Which is a really unhealthy mindset.

On the other side you have the "liberal" side which is suspicious that the frat sets up and designs parties for the opportunity to take advantage of women. Not really arguable. So they see through the culpability of someone going to an event like that because they know it was designed as a trap.

The truth is the very unsatisfying and thus perpetually unresolved. The woman was hurt. That is real. The frat guys are setting up situations to take advantage of women. That is real. There is no justice for the pain caused to the woman because legally there is nothing done wrong (potentially). So it gives the appearance that men are able to escape the harm they caused. Those creating the trope of men aren't held responsible because they have the power.

The lesson learned is that our christian society as it falters and breaks further from its guide rails will create these situations where wrong is done but not punished. Creating victims with no recourse for justice. Both sides are too eager to cry out for justice they more easily relate with while casting aside injustice their side is committing.

That is at least as it appears with the limited information available.

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Thankfully cases like this are extremely rare. Only a very miniscule, statistically insignificant % of women willingly engage in degenerate, drug fueled orgies like this.

I want to give a round of applause to the one good character in the story...the dude who apparently barged in and told them to stop and gtfo. That took good character, and some level of stones. Everyone else is garbage imo, yes - including the girl (barring the release of some new magical evidence indicating she was raped against her will), and needs to seek God and completely overhaul their lives.

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Unfortunately that one good guy will be collateral damage with the rest because he was in the Frat. As are the dozens of other guys in the Frat who had no involvement.

Wife told me last night, the new trend on social media is women making videos saying I am Jane Doe. Standing in solidarity with this woman, because they too apparently have been raped or molested.

Have you been living under a rock for the last 10-15 years? That's exactly how society handles it today. Heard of the Me Too movement? Believe All Women?

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Yes, it's all disgusting and vile. I would never post on Facebook or anything like that

This is the only place because it's at least somewhat anonymous but even then, I'm sure someone could find out who I was. So I still choose words carefully.

But in situations like this, you can't even simply say you want all the facts out and none of us know what happened without being accused of a rapist yourself.

And bringing children / parenting up in it is also disgusting and vile of people to do.

I have no idea how we got here as a society. Where even civil discussion about how none of us know all the facts or what went down that night. That doesn't mean people don't despise rapists, and wouldn't defend women and children from any harm with their lives. I know I would.

But I also see a muddy situation that really could be a number of things that actually went down. The "facts" aren't enough for me to take one side with conviction and say this is the way it is.

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I was thinking about this exact thing this morning. I think social media is just absolutely toxic. But that raises the question of WHY is it toxic? The conclusion I've come up with is that it allows people to hide behind their computer or phone screen. I also think that text messaging has a little bit to do with it. You used to actually have to be civil when communicating with other people. Decades of never having to "say it to someone's face" has allowed people to become disgusting with their interactions. And for a lot of people, that has permeated into real life as well.

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Wife told me last night, the new trend on social media is women making videos saying I am Jane Doe. Standing in solidarity with this woman, because they too apparently have been raped or molested.

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If they had been raped, why didn't they report it to the police right after it happened?

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I think she was setting them up. She had already experienced the embarrassment and was working on a way to sway sympathy to her. Again, that is speculation on my part. But it seems to match her character, from what information is available.

Don't read this wrong. The guys were just as disgusting taking part in the whole thing.

But, I think she couldn't handle the social stigma that came with it and was working on a way to get back in the good graces of the herd.

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Maybe, but once again the better thing to do would be to let her come and make sure it isn't an orgy. By disinviting her they further shamed her.

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Or, is that somehow wrong?

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Depends. A proper investigation through legal/judicial channels. Great.

Trial by media, social media, and politicians. Not only wrong, but guaranteed to get an incorrect result.

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Which is exactly why a special prosecutor is being involved.

The local legal/judicial channels had their opportunity, now the State wants to look at the evidence. Legally and judicially. What's wrong with that?

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I believe it's the public lynching and witch hunt from a very muddy story that quite frankly, NO ONE in the public knows what happened, before trial that has people saying this whole situation is wrong, not a full investigation.

If wrongdoing is found, by all means ruin the guys lives who forced themselves upon her.

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I am pretty sure that the reason for the public outcry is that it seems that these are undisputed facts:
-She went to a party and consumed alcohol and drugs
-While she was under the influence, she engaged in sexual activities with a number of men.
-This occurred over a period of hours at the same location, during which it was being texted to a broad audience.
-She is now saying she was raped (and reported it to Campus police at the time).
-The school concluded the proper punishment was for the perpetrators to write an essay.

Now, if any of those are false, please explain. If they are all true, don't you think an investigation independent of the University investigation is in order? Not that these men must be found guilty, but under what code of ethics is this ethical behavior? Shouldn't criminal punishment be applied to criminal behavior?

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I don't disagree that this seems more like a case of regret rather than rape as the current evidence available stands, however, there is a bit of grey area with regard to how much she consented to, and whether she was incapacitated at any point which she is now claiming and potentially might have claimed in her initial police statement. I doubt they ever meet the bar for evidence for criminal charges, but it is important that we clarify that we can't confidently make definitive declarations about her case without at least seeing what her a actual initial statement was.

She never said "everything was consensual". That came from the DA who was reportedly paraphrasing the information they received from campus PD. It appears the actual police statement says otherwise. Why would someone reporting to be a victim of rape subsequently claim "it was all consensual"? That would be nonsensical.

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So tell me - what standard should somebody with zero legal, psychological, etc. training be held to in determining whether or not a female actually consents or not in the heat of the moment?

Because this is what you are advocating - that a 19 or 20 year old college male should be an expert in determining whether or not the chick that is in bed with him really means "yes" when she says "yes" or not. And, like your other statement, you seem to be advocating that 100% of the onus is on the male and the male alone regardless of the situation.

I'm 100% confident in stating that a female that is raped doesn't ask if she can go to a party at the same place with the same people she was supposedly raped in and by the next day, all the while stating to not bring the whole frat into the bedroom this time. That defies every bit of logic there is concerning the human psyche.

I think 93's take is closer to right. The likely explanation is that she wanted to feel known and desired. Though in this case it was in an unhealthy and unsustainable way. That is why she likely went their the first time. When rejected from the next party it sent the clear message she wasn't desired and they didnt want to know her. She was used by them. At that point what she had exchanged sex for... being known and desired was taken from her.

That is the piece men fail to grasp. Outside of marriage sex is a commodity that is a traded good. The woman is very rarely trading sex for sex. She is trading sex for being desired and or known. So that is why you get the confusion in this sex without consequences. People dont known what it is they are expected to transact. And even if they knew they were transacting that it still would blow up because of later consequences.

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Or, is that somehow wrong?

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Depends. A proper investigation through legal/judicial channels. Great.

Trial by media, social media, and politicians. Not only wrong, but guaranteed to get an incorrect result.

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Which is exactly why a special prosecutor is being involved.

The local legal/judicial channels had their opportunity, now the State wants to look at the evidence. Legally and judicially. What's wrong with that?

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I believe it's the public lynching and witch hunt from a very muddy story that quite frankly, NO ONE in the public knows what happened, before trial that has people saying this whole situation is wrong, not a full investigation.

If wrongdoing is found, by all means ruin the guys lives who forced themselves upon her.

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I am pretty sure that the reason for the public outcry is that it seems that these are undisputed facts:
-She went to a party and consumed alcohol and drugs
-While she was under the influence, she engaged in sexual activities with a number of men.
-This occurred over a period of hours at the same location, during which it was being texted to a broad audience.
-She is now saying she was raped (and reported it to Campus police at the time).
-The school concluded the proper punishment was for the perpetrators to write an essay.

Now, if any of those are false, please explain. If they are all true, don't you think an investigation independent of the University investigation is in order? Not that these men must be found guilty, but under what code of ethics is this ethical behavior? Shouldn't criminal punishment be applied to criminal behavior?

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Are you purposefully excluding the DA's investigation into the matter or did that slip your mind?

You're first statement is misleading at best. She had already been at a sorority function and a bar and was already drinking. Her own admission is she went specifically to the frat party to continue to party and hook up with 2 guys specifically.
At every point from there on the guys stopped when she said. When someone tried to join that she didn't want they didn't join. When she asked to stop because she was tired, they stopped. Again, all of that is by her own sworn statement. She voluntarily drank and took drugs. She was not plied with them in a date rape situation.

She wanted to go to another party later on after she was "raped"..... Her text messages show she was just ashamed of her behavior that she had developed a reputation as a sl**. THATS when her tune started to change

BTW, a lot of you should watch "Call Her Daddy" and how they have made Alex Cooper into one of the most popular shows, esp for young women. It's all about women engaging in wild and inappropriate sex without consequences and bragging about it. TikTok is filled with worse. That's what a lot of young women see and are influenced by. The line between appropriate and not doesn't exist. Remember that Kim Kardashian literally became famous because of a sex tape.

Now you can say men should do more to protect women from themselves and that has merit but this is the content far too many, especially young women consume. I also see a lot of their mothers acting like their BFF's instead of teaching them why this is so unhealthy and a lot of fathers that don't want to get involved in the "sex talk" with their daughters so they just let their wives handle it. Unfortunately, a lot of Moms suck at teaching their daughters boundaries and consequences, the default is empathy and protecting feelings instead.

It's a real mess. I had boys so all I have done is teach them to be very, very careful in all their relationships and that in the end they have to be responsible for their choices. No one will feel sorry for them and life isn't fair so they better have themselves wired tight. They have also found that there are good women out there and they are attracted to guys with self discipline and standards. It's not easy though.

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Or, is that somehow wrong?

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Depends. A proper investigation through legal/judicial channels. Great.

Trial by media, social media, and politicians. Not only wrong, but guaranteed to get an incorrect result.

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Which is exactly why a special prosecutor is being involved.

The local legal/judicial channels had their opportunity, now the State wants to look at the evidence. Legally and judicially. What's wrong with that?

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I believe it's the public lynching and witch hunt from a very muddy story that quite frankly, NO ONE in the public knows what happened, before trial that has people saying this whole situation is wrong, not a full investigation.

If wrongdoing is found, by all means ruin the guys lives who forced themselves upon her.

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I am pretty sure that the reason for the public outcry is that it seems that these are undisputed facts:
-She went to a party and consumed alcohol and drugs
-While she was under the influence, she engaged in sexual activities with a number of men.
-This occurred over a period of hours at the same location, during which it was being texted to a broad audience.
-She is now saying she was raped (and reported it to Campus police at the time).
-The school concluded the proper punishment was for the perpetrators to write an essay.

Now, if any of those are false, please explain. If they are all true, don't you think an investigation independent of the University investigation is in order? Not that these men must be found guilty, but under what code of ethics is this ethical behavior? Shouldn't criminal punishment be applied to criminal behavior?

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The receipts are coming out finally, including her text messages before and after. She wanted to go to the Halloween party at the same frat 10 days later. LOL

So you are missing a lot of facts.

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Depends. A proper investigation through legal/judicial channels. Great.

Trial by media, social media, and politicians. Not only wrong, but guaranteed to get an incorrect result.

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Which is exactly why a special prosecutor is being involved.

The local legal/judicial channels had their opportunity, now the State wants to look at the evidence. Legally and judicially. What's wrong with that?

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I believe it's the public lynching and witch hunt from a very muddy story that quite frankly, NO ONE in the public knows what happened, before trial that has people saying this whole situation is wrong, not a full investigation.

If wrongdoing is found, by all means ruin the guys lives who forced themselves upon her.

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I am pretty sure that the reason for the public outcry is that it seems that these are undisputed facts:
-She went to a party and consumed alcohol and drugs
-While she was under the influence, she engaged in sexual activities with a number of men.
-This occurred over a period of hours at the same location, during which it was being texted to a broad audience.
-She is now saying she was raped (and reported it to Campus police at the time).
-The school concluded the proper punishment was for the perpetrators to write an essay.

Now, if any of those are false, please explain. If they are all true, don't you think an investigation independent of the University investigation is in order? Not that these men must be found guilty, but under what code of ethics is this ethical behavior? Shouldn't criminal punishment be applied to criminal behavior?

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The police and DA did investigate but she also said it was consensual and nothing illegal happened sexually. She admitted she was drinking and taking drugs of her own choosing. There was no way that was going to meet a legal standard of rape in NY so they closed the case. Now she is changing some elements of her story to sue multiple groups 2 year later with an obvious financial incentive.

There is no logical way that there isn't at least "reasonable doubt" about rape. There is no logical criminal case.

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Wife told me last night, the new trend on social media is women making videos saying I am Jane Doe. Standing in solidarity with this woman, because they too apparently have been raped or molested.

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If they had been raped, why didn't they report it to the police right after it happened?

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Honestly have no idea. How many of these cases are actually rape? And how many of these cases are just he was bad in bed. And claiming rape, is a way of saying I had buyer remorse.

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Wife told me last night, the new trend on social media is women making videos saying I am Jane Doe. Standing in solidarity with this woman, because they too apparently have been raped or molested.

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If they had been raped, why didn't they report it to the police right after it happened?

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Honestly have no idea. How many of these cases are actually rape? And how many of these cases are just he was bad in bed. And claiming rape, is a way of saying I had buyer remorse.

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It's how they maintain their womanly virtue - in their own eyes, the eyes of their families, and society in general - by, yet again, deflecting responsibility to men for their own perverse desires, motivation, and choices.

Helluva few months for feminism.

Regret = rape

Emotional distress greenlights post birth abortion of kids.

Absolute clownshow from hell.

How was she supposed to know that letting 7 dudes bang you at a frat house would earn you a reputation as a *****?

Aren't the students at Cornell supposed to be smart?

A bunch of y'all need to read this document, especially pages 9 thru 12. This case won't be adjudicated on rape but rather sexual assault, because SA has a broader and more loosely defined criteria. Pay particular attention to the terminology regarding consent. Basic summation for those too lazy to read the policy: someone who is intoxicated cannot grant consent. If in doubt, ask what a sober person would do or say.

https://officeofcivilrights.cornell.edu/wp-content/uploads/2026-Student-Procedures-Revision-8.24.26.pdf

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Wife told me last night, the new trend on social media is women making videos saying I am Jane Doe. Standing in solidarity with this woman, because they too apparently have been raped or molested.

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And it's mostly unhinged and mentally ill wildebeests lying through their teeth. Huge overlap with the "I am Lindsay Clancy" crowd.

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A bunch of y'all need to read this document, especially pages 9 thru 12. This case won't be adjudicated on rape but rather sexual assault, because SA has a broader and more loosely defined criteria. Pay particular attention to the terminology regarding consent. Basic summation for those too lazy to read the policy: someone who is intoxicated cannot grant consent. If in doubt, ask what a sober person would do or say.

https://officeofcivilrights.cornell.edu/wp-content/uploads/2026-Student-Procedures-Revision-8.24.26.pdf

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NY Law is what matters, and that says otherwise. She was voluntarily intoxicated according to the New York Law..

She gave consent then withdrew it after, much after.

carl spacklers hat said:

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A bunch of y'all need to read this document, especially pages 9 thru 12. This case won't be adjudicated on rape but rather sexual assault, because SA has a broader and more loosely defined criteria. Pay particular attention to the terminology regarding consent. Basic summation for those too lazy to read the policy: someone who is intoxicated cannot grant consent. If in doubt, ask what a sober person would do or say.

https://officeofcivilrights.cornell.edu/wp-content/uploads/2026-Student-Procedures-Revision-8.24.26.pdf

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So every makeout session, light foreplay, heavy foreplay, or sexual romp is sexual assault if the girl is not 100% sober? So I am literally sexually assaulting my wife if we come home from mexican and margaritas and have sex? Or are we both being sexually assaulted since I cannot consent either? Seriously, does that cancel it out completely if we are both guilty of sexually assaulting one another since we had margaritas? Or is consent only erased if the female has the buzz...while the inebriated man is still 100% in control and completely responsible for his actions?

Goodness this is weird. Females seem to be insanely privileged.

carl spacklers hat said:

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A bunch of y'all need to read this document, especially pages 9 thru 12. This case won't be adjudicated on rape but rather sexual assault, because SA has a broader and more loosely defined criteria. Pay particular attention to the terminology regarding consent. Basic summation for those too lazy to read the policy: someone who is intoxicated cannot grant consent. If in doubt, ask what a sober person would do or say.

https://officeofcivilrights.cornell.edu/wp-content/uploads/2026-Student-Procedures-Revision-8.24.26.pdf

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Cool. Can't wait to read the charges against Jane Doe for assaulting these guys.

That would be what the TitleIX kangaroo courts would go off of. As mentioned previously, those hearings have no connection to jurisprudence. They go so far as to deny basic rights to the accused according to how the school wants to proceed.

This is going to be used by women as a revenge cause because of Clancy and other lapses in social power they as a group have gotten as the #MeToo movement's effects are eroded and scrutinized. Watch the reactions from women on social media.

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carl spacklers hat said:

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A bunch of y'all need to read this document, especially pages 9 thru 12. This case won't be adjudicated on rape but rather sexual assault, because SA has a broader and more loosely defined criteria. Pay particular attention to the terminology regarding consent. Basic summation for those too lazy to read the policy: someone who is intoxicated cannot grant consent. If in doubt, ask what a sober person would do or say.

https://officeofcivilrights.cornell.edu/wp-content/uploads/2026-Student-Procedures-Revision-8.24.26.pdf

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Cool. Can't wait to read the charges against Jane Doe for assaulting these guys.

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Its funny posting that Cornell document thinking it matters.

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This is going to be used by women as a revenge cause because of Clancy and other lapses in social power they as a group have gotten as the #MeToo movement's effects are eroded and scrutinized. Watch the reactions from women on social media.

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They push for equality until it comes to accountability.

It absolutely will matter when Jane Doe's attorney files a $50 million civil suit against Cornell, which is what I think the angle here really is. That the lunatic Left has latched onto it is just gravy. She's looking for a bag and is going to get it.

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It absolutely will matter when Jane Doe's attorney files a $50 million civil suit against Cornell, which is what I think the angle here really is. That the lunatic Left has latched onto it is just gravy. She's looking for a bag and is going to get it.

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I dont care bout that left wing university and I hope they suffer.