Cornell University conducted an internal disciplinary investigation involving more than 50 interviews with 32 witnesses after a student reported she was drugged and raped by several men at a fraternity house in 2024, according to unsealed court documents. https://t.co/HwMbPDGioC

— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) October 2, 2026

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I'd to hear what you mean by revealing with actual logic and not emotion ?

Based on the facts, this is at best a very muddy situation, and at worst, just flat out not true and just wild sex with remorse afterwards gone wrong.

I would beat a man to death with my bare that actually r***d a woman. If I was there(I wouldn't be because morally it's vile) and the women wasn't into it, I'd fight any male to the death who kept going.

But not just jumping onto the public witch hunt reveals nothing about ones character other than someone who wants to think logically rather than through emotion or preconceived notions.

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Hochul giving the presser now announcing this.

Indeed these boys and that school are screwed. She is going in hard at the locals as well.

Essentially she is giving the verdicts across the board assessing the girls story as fact, the accused are guilty, the school and the local PD / DA covered it all up.

Question overall is why is this blowing up like this? What's the political angle here? Hochul afraid she going to lose to Bruce? They distracting from something else coming down the road?

Edit: The first question from the press was asking how they can affirm the accusers statements as facts without a full investigation. And why Big Tish did the same online. Her response was that she has faith in Tish. Next question.

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Forget about the big elephant in the middle of the room. Pay no attention.

Let me ask you this. Do you believe that the State Law in NY that allows the victim being too drunk to refuse from being raped means open season? Should this law be changed?

Or, is someone who is too drunk from knowing what's going on just someone you shouldn't have sex with?

And, just a little secret, just because someone says they believe someone's story does not mean that they are saying that it is 100% factual, only that they believe that person should be heard. Kinda like believing they're eating cats and dogs in Ohio.

Why don't you want her to tell her story?

She told her story, then retold her story, revised her story, revised it at least 20 more times, begged to get invited back for more story time, then told more stories when she was shunned.

She wasn't drunk. She was willfully under the influence of very very powerful drugs. As were the other participants.

She went to a physician for a UTI and to get tested for sex diseases and mentioned nothing of the alleged rapes.

I do expect the the Governor and AG not to taint a potential jury pool across the whole state with their rhetoric of standing behind the statement of a young woman who has varied her recount of events from that evening.

And Haitians were eating cats and dogs.

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Story where she is lying?? Why are taking all agency away from women, she went to smashed out and now feels bad about it....stop white knighting.

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Story where she is lying?? Why are taking all agency away from women, she went to smashed out and now feels bad about it....stop white knighting.

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Do you think you would have participated, given the chance? Is that the problem?

Oh, you think that if she was smashed out, what SEVEN grown men did to her (as well as what the 'Brothers' of those seven did) was just fine? I mean, was posting the extra-curricular photos and texts just boys having fun, or would you have been disgusted if they were sent to your phone?

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Story where she is lying?? Why are taking all agency away from women, she went to smashed out and now feels bad about it....stop white knighting.

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Oh, you think that if she was smashed out, what SEVEN grown men did to her (as well as what the 'Brothers' of those seven) was just fine?

Do you think you would have participated? Is that the problem?

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Yeah, she was so upset she wanted to go back for more and only got mad when she was not allowed back for the Halloween party.

You need to stop projecting on me are you upset your dating life hasn't gone very well especially in college?

I haven't read any of the source documents, and there is so much junk being peddled that it's hard to know what happened with any confidence. I'm not invested enough to become an internet PI.

But I have heard several times that one of the guys was passed out and she continued to perform "acts" on him.

If that is true - and I don't know how anybody can accurately determine what is true, short of video evidence - is Jane Doe not guilty of rape herself? If you can't say yes to that, you might want to spend some time contemplating your own biases and agenda.

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I'd to hear what you mean by revealing with actual logic and not emotion ?

Based on the facts, this is at best a very muddy situation, and at worst, just flat out not true and just wild sex with remorse afterwards gone wrong.

I would beat a man to death with my bare that actually r***d a woman. If I was there(I wouldn't be because morally it's vile) and the women wasn't into it, I'd fight any male to the death who kept going.

But not just jumping onto the public witch hunt reveals nothing about ones character other than someone who wants to think logically rather than through emotion or preconceived notions.

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I was reminded why it is not wise to post in the comments section of Instagram last night. I basically said the same thing, and just presented the possibility that some girls actually do engage in this type of behavior willingly, and if that were the case, it's hard to call this "rape" and I started getting blown up by crazy dudes in the comments.

They started bringing my daughter into it, saying all types of vile things about me as a father and how she should be taken away from me, and then one of them actually found my wife and DM's her and said "Did you know that your husband supports drugging and raping girls"? Luckily my wife is not stupid and has our take on things...that there is a lot we don't know.

This was on a more right-winged gun/2A account but somehow it attracted a bunch of smooth-brained white-knighting leftist dudes with pronouns in their bios and dozens of them lashed out at me.

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Oh, you think that if she was smashed out, what SEVEN grown men did to her (as well as what the 'Brothers' of those seven) was just fine?

Do you think you would have participated? Is that the problem?

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there's a vast difference between abhorrent behavior and illegal behavior.

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I haven't read any of the source documents, and there is so much junk being peddled that it's hard to know what happened with any confidence. I'm not invested enough to become an internet PI.

But I have heard several times that one of the guys was passed out and she continued to perform "acts" on him.

If that is true - and I don't know how anybody can accurately determine what is true, short of video evidence - is Jane Doe not guilty of rape herself? If you can't say yes to that, you might want to spend some time contemplating your own biases and agenda.

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Some good questions.

We can investigate. That is the traditional, conservative, and rational thing to do. Let's find out where these rumors are coming from and get the source to say what they know.

Or, is that somehow wrong?

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Do you think you would have participated, given the chance? Is that the problem?

Oh, you think that if she was smashed out, what SEVEN grown men did to her (as well as what the 'Brothers' of those seven did) was just fine? I mean, was posting the extra-curricular photos and texts just boys having fun, or would you have been disgusted if they were sent to your phone?

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No, I would never willingly participate in drug fueled orgies like it appears she did.

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I haven't read any of the source documents, and there is so much junk being peddled that it's hard to know what happened with any confidence. I'm not invested enough to become an internet PI.

But I have heard several times that one of the guys was passed out and she continued to perform "acts" on him.

If that is true - and I don't know how anybody can accurately determine what is true, short of video evidence - is Jane Doe not guilty of rape herself? If you can't say yes to that, you might want to spend some time contemplating your own biases and agenda.

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Some good questions.

We can investigate. That is the traditional, conservative, and rational thing to do. Let's find out where these rumors are coming from and get the source to say what they know.

Or, is that somehow wrong?

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Yeah, a DA did that already didn't' find they had enough evidence. hth

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I'd to hear what you mean by revealing with actual logic and not emotion ?

Based on the facts, this is at best a very muddy situation, and at worst, just flat out not true and just wild sex with remorse afterwards gone wrong.

I would beat a man to death with my bare that actually r***d a woman. If I was there(I wouldn't be because morally it's vile) and the women wasn't into it, I'd fight any male to the death who kept going.

But not just jumping onto the public witch hunt reveals nothing about ones character other than someone who wants to think logically rather than through emotion or preconceived notions.

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I was reminded why it is not wise to post in the comments section of Instagram last night. I basically said the same thing, and just presented the possibility that some girls actually do engage in this type of behavior willingly, and if that were the case, it's hard to call this "rape" and I started getting blown up by crazy dudes in the comments.

They started bringing my daughter into it, saying all types of vile things about me as a father and how she should be taken away from me, and then one of them actually found my wife and DM's her and said "Did you know that your husband supports drugging and raping girls"? Luckily my wife is not stupid and has our take on things...that there is a lot we don't know.

This was on a more right-winged gun/2A account but somehow it attracted a bunch of smooth-brained white-knighting leftist dudes with pronouns in their bios and dozens of them lashed out at me.

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Yes, it's all disgusting and vile. I would never post on Facebook or anything like that

This is the only place because it's at least somewhat anonymous but even then, I'm sure someone could find out who I was. So I still choose words carefully.

But in situations like this, you can't even simply say you want all the facts out and none of us know what happened without being accused of a rapist yourself.

And bringing children / parenting up in it is also disgusting and vile of people to do.

I have no idea how we got here as a society. Where even civil discussion about how none of us know all the facts or what went down that night. That doesn't mean people don't despise rapists, and wouldn't defend women and children from any harm with their lives. I know I would.

But I also see a muddy situation that really could be a number of things that actually went down. The "facts" aren't enough for me to take one side with conviction and say this is the way it is.

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I'd to hear what you mean by revealing with actual logic and not emotion ?

Based on the facts, this is at best a very muddy situation, and at worst, just flat out not true and just wild sex with remorse afterwards gone wrong.

I would beat a man to death with my bare that actually r***d a woman. If I was there(I wouldn't be because morally it's vile) and the women wasn't into it, I'd fight any male to the death who kept going.

But not just jumping onto the public witch hunt reveals nothing about ones character other than someone who wants to think logically rather than through emotion or preconceived notions.

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I was reminded why it is not wise to post in the comments section of Instagram last night. I basically said the same thing, and just presented the possibility that some girls actually do engage in this type of behavior willingly, and if that were the case, it's hard to call this "rape" and I started getting blown up by crazy dudes in the comments.

They started bringing my daughter into it, saying all types of vile things about me as a father and how she should be taken away from me, and then one of them actually found my wife and DM's her and said "Did you know that your husband supports drugging and raping girls"? Luckily my wife is not stupid and has our take on things...that there is a lot we don't know.

This was on a more right-winged gun/2A account but somehow it attracted a bunch of smooth-brained white-knighting leftist dudes with pronouns in their bios and dozens of them lashed out at me.

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Depends. A proper investigation through legal/judicial channels. Great.

Trial by media, social media, and politicians. Not only wrong, but guaranteed to get an incorrect result.

'Do you think you would have participated, given the circumstances?'

That's a DISGUSTING suggestion.

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Depends. A proper investigation through legal/judicial channels. Great.

Trial by media, social media, and politicians. Not only wrong, but guaranteed to get an incorrect result.

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Which is exactly why a special prosecutor is being involved.

The local legal/judicial channels had their opportunity, now the State wants to look at the evidence. Legally and judicially. What's wrong with that?

I suspect the chapter president did the smartest thing he ever decided in his life by disinviting her to the other party.
My speculation is her way of getting away from the humiliation was to go participate again and then claim rape.

The whole situation is a study in how the carnal mind/actions wrecks lives. Even in consensual participation those things never leave you. In muddy situations even more so.

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Depends. A proper investigation through legal/judicial channels. Great.

Trial by media, social media, and politicians. Not only wrong, but guaranteed to get an incorrect result.

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Which is exactly why a special prosecutor is being involved.

The local legal/judicial channels had their opportunity, now the State wants to look at the evidence. Legally and judicially. What's wrong with that?

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I believe it's the public lynching and witch hunt from a very muddy story that quite frankly, NO ONE in the public knows what happened, before trial that has people saying this whole situation is wrong, not a full investigation.

If wrongdoing is found, by all means ruin the guys lives who forced themselves upon her.

Ooooooof

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I haven't read any of the source documents, and there is so much junk being peddled that it's hard to know what happened with any confidence. I'm not invested enough to become an internet PI.

But I have heard several times that one of the guys was passed out and she continued to perform "acts" on him.

If that is true - and I don't know how anybody can accurately determine what is true, short of video evidence - is Jane Doe not guilty of rape herself? If you can't say yes to that, you might want to spend some time contemplating your own biases and agenda.

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Some good questions.

We can investigate. That is the traditional, conservative, and rational thing to do. Let's find out where these rumors are coming from and get the source to say what they know.

Or, is that somehow wrong?

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Did the da not investigate it? The school did.

Cornell University conducted an internal disciplinary investigation involving more than 50 interviews with 32 witnesses after a student reported she was drugged and raped by several men at a fraternity house in 2024, according to unsealed court documents. https://t.co/HwMbPDGioC

— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) October 2, 2026

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'Do you think you would have participated, given the circumstances?'

That's a DISGUSTING suggestion.

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You forgot the rest of my post.

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Oh, you think that if she was smashed out, what SEVEN grown men did to her (as well as what the 'Brothers' of those seven did) was just fine? I mean, was posting the extra-curricular photos and texts just boys having fun, or would you have been disgusted if they were sent to your phone?

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Please excuse the typo (Oh instead of Or)

Because, if you were as disgusted as I am, then you pretty much consider it rape (or at least, wrong) and you would not want it swept under the rug. If there is truth to her story, and these men took advantage of a helpless woman incapable of taking care of herself, I do want something done to prevent a copy-cat.

If the best defense come up with is "We aren't responsible, she took our drugs and came back for more," even if they can technically get away with rape.

We need to find out what happened. If we don't, then is is sure to happen again. Being abused like that is not just punishment for making a bad decision.

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Because, if you were as disgusted as I am, then you pretty much consider it rape (or at least, wrong) and you would not want it swept under the rug. If there is truth to her story, and these men took advantage of a helpless woman incapable of taking care of herself, I do want something done to prevent a copy-cat.

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This didn't happen no "rape" survivor wants to return to party again....

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You forgot the rest of my post.

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Oh, you think that if she was smashed out, what SEVEN grown men did to her (as well as what the 'Brothers' of those seven did) was just fine? I mean, was posting the extra-curricular photos and texts just boys having fun, or would you have been disgusted if they were sent to your phone?

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Please excuse the typo (Oh instead of Or)

Because, if you were as disgusted as I am, then you pretty much consider it rape (or at least, wrong) and you would not want it swept under the rug. If there is truth to her story, and these men took advantage of a helpless woman incapable of taking care of herself, I do want something done to prevent a copy-cat.

If the best defense come up with is "We aren't responsible, she took our drugs and came back for more," even if they can technically get away with rape.

We need to find out what happened. If we don't, then is is sure to happen again. Being abused like that is not just punishment for making a bad decision.

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It's very wrong. The men were disgusting, but so was she, if we are to go by what evidence we do have. If my adult daughter one day wants to seek gratification or validation by engaging in multiple drug fueled threesomes in one night, and then suggesting she wants MORE the very next day from a smaller group...I could not tell you how disgusted, disspointed and mortified I would be. I would feel like I had completely and utterly failed as a father. In fact, if it's true that she willingly engaged in this vile behavior, I would bet big money that either (a) no father was present for most of her life, or (b) that she just had a horrendous, likely liberal, father.

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Question overall is why is this blowing up like this? What's the political angle here?

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Why is it blowing up: it is blowing up because it plays into 2 sides applying the current Hermeneutics of Suspicion from their side against a person that they can deem "bad" according to Christian society standards. It also relies on both sides putting up blinders to their own sides faults.

On one side you have the "republican" side which is suspicious of "Me Too" movement. This is just another Duke Lax or Cornell mattress case. The woman is the worst. Woe being a man. The biggest sin is not being able to see through a lie. Which is a really unhealthy mindset.

On the other side you have the "liberal" side which is suspicious that the frat sets up and designs parties for the opportunity to take advantage of women. Not really arguable. So they see through the culpability of someone going to an event like that because they know it was designed as a trap. Then they mistake morally wrongness with legal fault and go too far.

The truth is the very unsatisfying and thus perpetually unresolved. The woman was hurt. That is real. The frat guys are setting up situations to take advantage of women. That is real. There is no justice for the pain caused to the woman because legally there is nothing done wrong (potentially). So it gives the appearance that men are able to escape the harm they caused. Thus creating the trope of men aren't held responsible because they have the power.

The lesson learned is that our christian society as it falters and breaks further from its guide rails will create these situations where wrong is done but not punished. Creating victims with no recourse for justice. Both sides are too eager to cry out for justice they more easily relate with while casting aside injustice their side is committing.

That is at least as it appears with the limited information available.

DA had a sworn statement from the alleged victim that she said she was a willing participant in everything. So, I doubt he saw a need to investigate further.

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It is most definitely not the Duke Lacrosse case and the UVA rape case is also a bad comparison.

In both of those cases, events were outright fabricated and easily debunked. In the UVA case, the article's claims were investigated by police and immediately shot down due to a total lack of evidence and a huge amount of contradictory facts. Unfortunately in the Duke case you had a renegade prosecutor who manufactured evidence and hid other evidence to keep the case going.

The accusations here are that the campus PD and DA did nothing even with credible evidence. The fact that the University conducted a Title IX investigation and expelled multiple students and kicked the fraternity off campus in response is telling.

In both the Duke and UVA cases, the campus faculties egged on the social tension. Cornell kept this incident incredibly quiet.

The kids in the Duke and UVA cases were victims of social media lynch mobs based on totally fabricated stories. The kids in this instance admit to doing very ugly and screwed up things and the whole question goes down to whether the alleged victim consented or not.

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2. The fact that a Title IX investigation and kicking a frat off campus being "telling" is absolutely not telling. Title IX has absolutely zero standards or bar to prove - it is 100% an arbitrary decision that is made by some group of administrators at a college and nothing more than that. There is no legislation to fall back on, no jurisprudence required - it is absolutely a "I feel like making this decision today because it is Tuesday and my morning coffee wasn't as hot as normal" decision making.

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Why is it blowing up: it is blowing up because it plays into 2 sides applying the current Hermeneutics of Suspicion from their side against a person that they can deem "bad" according to Christian society standards. It also relies on both sides putting up blinders to their own sides faults.

On one side you have the "republican" side which is suspicious of "Me Too" movement. This is just another Duke Lax or Cornell mattress case. The woman is the worst. Woe being a man. The biggest sin is not being able to see through a lie. Which is a really unhealthy mindset.

On the other side you have the "liberal" side which is suspicious that the frat sets up and designs parties for the opportunity to take advantage of women. Not really arguable. So they see through the culpability of someone going to an event like that because they know it was designed as a trap.

The truth is the very unsatisfying and thus perpetually unresolved. The woman was hurt. That is real. The frat guys are setting up situations to take advantage of women. That is real. There is no justice for the pain caused to the woman because legally there is nothing done wrong (potentially). So it gives the appearance that men are able to escape the harm they caused. Those creating the trope of men aren't held responsible because they have the power.

The lesson learned is that our christian society as it falters and breaks further from its guide rails will create these situations where wrong is done but not punished. Creating victims with no recourse for justice. Both sides are too eager to cry out for justice they more easily relate with while casting aside injustice their side is committing.

That is at least as it appears with the limited information available.

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Thankfully cases like this are extremely rare. Only a very miniscule, statistically insignificant % of women willingly engage in degenerate, drug fueled orgies like this.

I want to give a round of applause to the one good character in the story...the dude who apparently barged in and told them to stop and gtfo. That took good character, and some level of stones. Everyone else is garbage imo, yes - including the girl (barring the release of some new magical evidence indicating she was raped against her will), and needs to seek God and completely overhaul their lives.

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lol women all the time willing participate in activities like this, what is setting up situations like this mean exactly?

Again, women either have agency, or they don't this need to protect women at all costs then whip around say they can do whatever they want is exhausting.

This is just like the Duke Lacrosse rape case.... hope these young men sue everyone into oblivion.

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Hochul giving the presser now announcing this.

Indeed these boys and that school are screwed. She is going in hard at the locals as well.

Essentially she is giving the verdicts across the board assessing the girls story as fact, the accused are guilty, the school and the local PD / DA covered it all up.

Question overall is why is this blowing up like this? What's the political angle here? Hochul afraid she going to lose to Bruce? They distracting from something else coming down the road?

Edit: The first question from the press was asking how they can affirm the accusers statements as facts without a full investigation. And why Big Tish did the same online. Her response was that she has faith in Tish. Next question.

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Forget about the big elephant in the middle of the room. Pay no attention.

Let me ask you this. Do you believe that the State Law in NY that allows the victim being too drunk to refuse from being raped means open season? Should this law be changed?

Or, is someone who is too drunk from knowing what's going on just someone you shouldn't have sex with?

And, just a little secret, just because someone says they believe someone's story does not mean that they are saying that it is 100% factual, only that they believe that person should be heard. Kinda like believing they're eating cats and dogs in Ohio.

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It's important to look at those stories and what we know. It's also important that we look at the situation objectively because if we don't we will look up and "rape" will lose all meaning just like "racist" and "sexist" have and that would be horrible for society. Rape is completely unacceptable and anyone who engages in it should be held to account but it also can't be thrown about casually because it is such a powerful accusation.

All we have heard is her story and how she kept changing it. One thing is very clear, she was far more concerned about the consequences to her reputation and how the women in her sorority were treating her for the idea of willingly having a sex party at a frat house than anything else. I have no doubt she was a damaged girl who had low self esteem and was taken advantage of but that's not illegal. What it is is a girl who is insecure and wanted attention and acceptance (as most girls do) and she made a terrible series of decisions that resulted in consequences she didn't want to face.

She had 3 choices at that point and she went through all 3 based on her text messages afterwards. One, she could embrace being the campus hoe and act like she was empowered by doing what she did. This was her first response and it was clear the other girls (esp in her sorority) were not cool with that. Then she tried to hope it would all just go away and ignore it which actually may have worked somewhat (she clearly tried this as well) but she would have had to stick to it and deal with some level of consequences but she wasn't strong enough to do that. So she went with choice 3, she was assaulted. By going with choice 3 all of the other women who were shaming her now would defend her and blame the men. She got tons of attention and sympathy. Nothing was her fault. There were also lots of women who were more than happy to now use her to push their own agendas against men and frats and the school and whatever else. It's not like anyone wants to stand up and say what she did was her fault or that it was acceptable so this was by far the best option.

This isn't new and yet people are acting outraged. Similar (not as dramatic) stuff happened at A&M back when I was in school. Girls get drunk/high and do things they regret. If you have a society that allows women freedom and doesn't require chaperones or restrictions on their behavior some will make very bad choices. So you can either choose to live with that as a consequence or you can take away those freedoms. What is wrong is to give them the freedom and absolve them of responsibility.

BTW, this isn't saying the guys were innocent either. There were some bad dudes taking advantage of a girl and that's terrible. Still she was willing and everyone was drunk and the reality is that random sex effects men differently than women because of how it impacts them emotionally. That's just biologic reality. I have 2 boys who I am confident wouldn't do this in the same situation. Boys aren't perfect though and make mistakes too. If you put a girl who is very willing to do wild porn style sex acts in front of them while they are drunk/high and horny not all of them will have the resolve to do the right thing. It's incredibly important to note that by every account she wasn't forced to do anything she didn't want to do and they stopped whenever she asked. The only things that happened that she didn't want were a few guys that touched her and she swatted away but she was encouraging other guys at the same time, it's not like this was some rational environment. Sounds like one guy slapped her butt and she had hickies but no way to know if she was into that in the moment. To make it even more complicated it is also clear that she had serious interest in at least 1 if not more of these guys afterwards and wanted to keep seeing them. Not sure how these guys were all supposed to figure out what she was ok with other than the "Well, no girl would want to do THAT" when the reality is some girls are willing to do some pretty disgusting stuff and some guys do too.

Such a mess and unfortunately there are no winners in this. The people who are most effected are actual rape victims btw and the next most are young men and women who are just trying to figure out what the rules are for sex and relationships in today's world.

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he truth is the very unsatisfying and thus perpetually unresolved. The woman was hurt. That is real. The frat guys are setting up situations to take advantage of women. That is real.

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lol women all the time willing participate in activities like this, what is setting up situations like this mean exactly?

Again, women either have agency, or they don't this need to protect women at all costs then whip around say they can do whatever they want is exhausting.

This is just like the Duke Lacrosse rape case.... hope these young men sue everyone into oblivion.

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You need it explained to you? No offense but not worth engaging.

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Boogie2988Ag said:

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he truth is the very unsatisfying and thus perpetually unresolved. The woman was hurt. That is real. The frat guys are setting up situations to take advantage of women. That is real.

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lol women all the time willing participate in activities like this, what is setting up situations like this mean exactly?

Again, women either have agency, or they don't this need to protect women at all costs then whip around say they can do whatever they want is exhausting.

This is just like the Duke Lacrosse rape case.... hope these young men sue everyone into oblivion.

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You need it explained to you? No offense but not worth engaging.

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Oh no anyway...I am right on this subject sorry not sorry. Stop babying grown adult women.