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In reply to aggie93 • 9:19a, 10/5/26
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When I was at A&M, there was a sorority girl with a well known last name who was kicked out of one of the 'top tier' sororities because she was having random hookups and didn't see an issue with it.

Sorority did not like that one bit and booted her. You can have a long term boyfriend you play house with, you can even cycle through who you play house with as your boyfriends.

But no being openly proud of your *****dom of one night stands.
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In reply to Emotional Support Cobra • 9:21a, 10/5/26
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was going to say something similar. Especially with a sorority like Tri Delt, which is arguably the sorority with the most glowing and "innocent" reputation nation wide, I'm sure this was a big thing. In what I'd read (and who knows), it seems like her meetings with her Big Sis weren't "support" meetings, but rather the typical "hey there are some rumors going around about you and we have standards at this sorority and a reputation to maintain." She even admitted to acknowledging that the rumors are true and laughing about it with her Big.

I had several close girlfriends at TAMU that had to go before their board or whatever it's called and sing for their supper to not get booted from their sorority for being known weed smokers. They ended up getting probation and a couple of the girls were so bent out of shape over it that they just left the sorority the next year and didn't look back.

This case is just particularly concerning to see people lump in all sexual assault or claims of sexual assault into a singular bucket....facts and evidence be damned.
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In reply to No Spin Ag • 9:40a, 10/5/26
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No Spin Ag said:
chickencoupe16 said:
No Spin Ag said:
combat wombat said:
What is sad is that she bought the feminist lie. Women and men are the same, we are not wired differently. Women can be just as free sexually. Sexual without consequences is awesome. Sex is natural; it's just sex. Everybody is doing it. Blah blah blah.

How's that working out for her? How about those guys?


Wait, does that mean that men are naturally looking and willing to rape women if given a chance?

I'm not understanding the comparison of A woman wanting to be free to have sex.


She was free and gave it out freely but society (including most women) does not actually want total freedom as that includes freedom from judgement. Because she wasn't totally free, she became a social leper who viewed her way to redemption as claiming rape.


That's an interesting take.

So how many of the men, after the two (i believe to recall) whom she actually wanted to have sex, would be considered rapists then?

Or was she in for a penny in for a pound (no pun intended) once she spread her legs, so every guy who took their turn should be seen in the same light as the ones she actually wanted to be with?

The key point here is she said she didn't want to do some things and as soon as she did the men stopped. So she showed that not only was she capable of expressing her comfort level but that her wishes were respected. It also shows that she was sober enough to make choices. That pretty much destroys the very flimsy rape claims. Essentially it is the reverse of your logic. If she could say no and was respected when she said no then clearly she was ok with the rest in the moment.

The main argument for her is regret based. That upon later reflection she really wished she hadn't let more guys in to the party or done x or y. There is also plenty of evidence that some (and not all as some guys left and one actually stopped the whole ordeal) of the guys were some bad dudes that were actively trying to take advantage of a girl they saw as a sex object. That's really gross but it's not illegal. The dark reality is some girls actually want to be treated that way, typically because of other issues they have around self esteem or prior abuse but that's not really relevant. Men can't be held to a standard legally that they have to protect women from themselves when they make bad choices. We can certainly shame those men and ostracize them, men should be better than this and they shouldn't take advantage of women for sex. Still we have laws and if they aren't breaking the law we need to focus our primary efforts on those who do.

She made a LOT of bad choices here. I mean deciding after a few drinks to go over to a Frat house alone with the intention of having sex with at least 2 guys and doing drugs and partying can lead you down some paths you might regret. She wanted the attention and feeling of freedom of inhibitions of doing something crazy and didn't think it through as to how that would end up long term. Reading her "after" texts is honestly sad to me that she was so deluded. She really seemed to think that people would be cool with her being so uninhibited. All of her anger comes out when she discovers that not only are people not ok with it but it has made her a pariah. Still those were her choices. It's just hard to see it that way because the natural reaction is to feel sorry for her but that's a very short sighted view. We desperately need women to take responsibility for their choices so that they aren't repeated by her and others and I find it sad that her sorority sisters weren't looking out for her that night or in how they reacted to the incident.
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9:43a, 10/5/26
This may end up being sexual assault when all the information comes out from all parties, but right now I am leaning towards the claim of sexual assault came because her actions that night were bringing consequences that the claim would eliminate. I would be curious what occurred to her after the matter was resolved by Cornell and the DA to her filing the lawsuit. Her life continued to spiral, maybe as an effect of the sexual assault, until the prospect of suing gave her a second option at clearing her name and a financial windfall.
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In reply to Omperlodge • 9:51a, 10/5/26
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Omperlodge said:
This may end up being sexual assault when all the information comes out from all parties, but right now I am leaning towards the claim of sexual assault came because her actions that night were bringing consequences that the claim would eliminate. I would be curious what occurred to her after the matter was resolved by Cornell and the DA to her filing the lawsuit. Her life continued to spiral, maybe as an effect of the sexual assault, until the prospect of suing gave her a second option at clearing her name and a financial windfall.

Please explain to me how this was sexual assault legally when she gave consent for some actions and didn't for others and when she didn't her wishes were respected. That shows she was able and willing to decide what she was ok with and it shows that the men stopped whenever she said no. She also went to the Frat house enthusiastically looking to party and have sex.

Taking advantage of a woman who is making bad choices to have sex is immoral but it isn't illegal. Sexual assault is very serious and should be treated as such and it cheapens the horror actual rape victims endure when this is put in the same category or truthfully getting far more attention.
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10:01a, 10/5/26
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In reply to aggie93 • 10:02a, 10/5/26
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Omperlodge said:
This may end up being sexual assault when all the information comes out from all parties, but right now I am leaning towards the claim of sexual assault came because her actions that night were bringing consequences that the claim would eliminate. I would be curious what occurred to her after the matter was resolved by Cornell and the DA to her filing the lawsuit. Her life continued to spiral, maybe as an effect of the sexual assault, until the prospect of suing gave her a second option at clearing her name and a financial windfall.

Please explain to me how this was sexual assault legally when she gave consent for some actions and didn't for others and when she didn't her wishes were respected. That shows she was able and willing to decide what she was ok with and it shows that the men stopped whenever she said no. She also went to the Frat house enthusiastically looking to party and have sex.

Taking advantage of a woman who is making bad choices to have sex is immoral but it isn't illegal. Sexual assault is very serious and should be treated as such and it cheapens the horror actual rape victims endure when this is put in the same category or truthfully getting far more attention.

I don't think it will end up being sexual assault in a criminal sense. I think her attorney put out their best case that it was and now all the other information flowing in which doesn't look good for their case. Unless there is some smoking gun that isn't out there, it looks like it was consensual.

Will they be able to get a verdict in their favor in a noncriminal case? Maybe. This is a million times worse than the facts in the Trump case.
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In reply to Omperlodge • 10:09a, 10/5/26
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Omperlodge said:
aggie93 said:
Omperlodge said:
This may end up being sexual assault when all the information comes out from all parties, but right now I am leaning towards the claim of sexual assault came because her actions that night were bringing consequences that the claim would eliminate. I would be curious what occurred to her after the matter was resolved by Cornell and the DA to her filing the lawsuit. Her life continued to spiral, maybe as an effect of the sexual assault, until the prospect of suing gave her a second option at clearing her name and a financial windfall.

Please explain to me how this was sexual assault legally when she gave consent for some actions and didn't for others and when she didn't her wishes were respected. That shows she was able and willing to decide what she was ok with and it shows that the men stopped whenever she said no. She also went to the Frat house enthusiastically looking to party and have sex.

Taking advantage of a woman who is making bad choices to have sex is immoral but it isn't illegal. Sexual assault is very serious and should be treated as such and it cheapens the horror actual rape victims endure when this is put in the same category or truthfully getting far more attention.

I don't think it will end up being sexual assault in a criminal sense. I think her attorney put out their best case that it was and now all the other information flowing in which doesn't look good for their case. Unless there is some smoking gun that isn't out there, it looks like it was consensual.

Will they be able to get a verdict in their favor in a noncriminal case? Maybe. This is a million times worse than the facts in the Trump case.

looks like for civil cases in NY, if it goes the jury route rather than the Judge bench route, only 5/6 of jury would be required for a decision. these kids could be sued into oblivion and wouldn't take unanimous
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In reply to Omperlodge • 10:14a, 10/5/26
Million times worse
- with victim not known by defendant
- no date known of crime
- 30+ years to report crime
-legislation temporarily changed to create the crime

Bad math, basic math.
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In reply to Omperlodge • 10:18a, 10/5/26
'This is a million times worse than the facts in the Trump case'.....

'facts'......I laughed.
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In reply to Omperlodge • 10:19a, 10/5/26
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Omperlodge said:
aggie93 said:
Omperlodge said:
This may end up being sexual assault when all the information comes out from all parties, but right now I am leaning towards the claim of sexual assault came because her actions that night were bringing consequences that the claim would eliminate. I would be curious what occurred to her after the matter was resolved by Cornell and the DA to her filing the lawsuit. Her life continued to spiral, maybe as an effect of the sexual assault, until the prospect of suing gave her a second option at clearing her name and a financial windfall.

Please explain to me how this was sexual assault legally when she gave consent for some actions and didn't for others and when she didn't her wishes were respected. That shows she was able and willing to decide what she was ok with and it shows that the men stopped whenever she said no. She also went to the Frat house enthusiastically looking to party and have sex.

Taking advantage of a woman who is making bad choices to have sex is immoral but it isn't illegal. Sexual assault is very serious and should be treated as such and it cheapens the horror actual rape victims endure when this is put in the same category or truthfully getting far more attention.

I don't think it will end up being sexual assault in a criminal sense. I think her attorney put out their best case that it was and now all the other information flowing in which doesn't look good for their case. Unless there is some smoking gun that isn't out there, it looks like it was consensual.

Will they be able to get a verdict in their favor in a noncriminal case? Maybe. This is a million times worse than the facts in the Trump case.

Since the standard is "reasonable doubt" there are smoking guns all over the place, mostly from her own texts and statements to the police.

The civil side is a lot messier because it is a different standard but let's face it, that's all she cares about. She and her lawyer want to get paid and the case will be in uber liberal NY. I doubt facts matter much.
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10:25a, 10/5/26
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one thing that is pretty surprising in all of this....her Instagram is still up, and not even private. I don't know what to make of that, but it's certainly a big departure from what we ordinarily see in these cases where socials are immediately scrubbed
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In reply to Omperlodge • 10:27a, 10/5/26
Omperlodge said:
aggie93 said:
Omperlodge said:
This may end up being sexual assault when all the information comes out from all parties, but right now I am leaning towards the claim of sexual assault came because her actions that night were bringing consequences that the claim would eliminate. I would be curious what occurred to her after the matter was resolved by Cornell and the DA to her filing the lawsuit. Her life continued to spiral, maybe as an effect of the sexual assault, until the prospect of suing gave her a second option at clearing her name and a financial windfall.

Please explain to me how this was sexual assault legally when she gave consent for some actions and didn't for others and when she didn't her wishes were respected. That shows she was able and willing to decide what she was ok with and it shows that the men stopped whenever she said no. She also went to the Frat house enthusiastically looking to party and have sex.

Taking advantage of a woman who is making bad choices to have sex is immoral but it isn't illegal. Sexual assault is very serious and should be treated as such and it cheapens the horror actual rape victims endure when this is put in the same category or truthfully getting far more attention.

I don't think it will end up being sexual assault in a criminal sense. I think her attorney put out their best case that it was and now all the other information flowing in which doesn't look good for their case. Unless there is some smoking gun that isn't out there, it looks like it was consensual.

Will they be able to get a verdict in their favor in a noncriminal case? Maybe. This is a million times worse than the facts in the Trump case.

What does Trump have to do with this? Derail noted
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10:34a, 10/5/26
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"FREE THE CORNHOLE 7!"
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10:39a, 10/5/26
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Recording of a phone call have come out between the girl and the guy that originally invited her over. I think Matt Walsh summed it up perfectly. BTW, dude is a crap human but so is she and both on multiple levels.

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10:51a, 10/5/26
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My wife wants to have a "talk" about this with her son/my stepson. 17 years old. I talked her out of it, for now.

It's good to discuss this in general, but this is not the example case to discuss.
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In reply to aggie93 • 11:14a, 10/5/26
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aggie93 said:
Recording of a phone call have come out between the girl and the guy that originally invited her over. I think Matt Walsh summed it up perfectly. BTW, dude is a crap human but so is she and both on multiple levels.


bit of a sidebar here, but this Ingalls kid...maybe bi?

in the phone call recording, he admits to "popping the question," meaning "want to have a threesome?" presumably. Jane Doe had admitted separately that she had a crush on Ingalls and that's clearly the reason she went over to the frat house, so I don't think a threesome was required for her to agree to a hookup. Not sure why you'd openly seek out a threesome with another dude....unless you're bi (or gay), or unless you don't want the girl to catch feelings and it be too intimate as just a 1 on 1. But, frat dudes have hookups and ghost girls the next day all the time, so that doesn't seem as plausible.

That just seems really weird to me. In my past life of not being a married dude (or in a relationship) and a heterosexual male that naturally loved hooking up with ladies, never did I once think "this girl is cute....I wonder which one of my buddies would like to join in on our hookup session"
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11:18a, 10/5/26
I am saying this is a million times worse than the Trump case that got a conviction. Meaning there is at least something here to fathom a conviction on. The Trump case was mindboggling bad.
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In reply to Omperlodge • 11:33a, 10/5/26
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I am saying this is a million times worse than the Trump case that got a conviction. Meaning there is at least something here to fathom a conviction on. The Trump case was mindboggling bad.

We have her consenting in her own words (multiple times) and actions. She also said in her text messages nothing illegal happened. Also 10 days later she wanted to go back to the Frat for the Halloween party. The case is weak.
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In reply to GeorgiAg • 11:34a, 10/5/26
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GeorgiAg said:
My wife wants to have a "talk" about this with her son/my stepson. 17 years old. I talked her out of it, for now.

It's good to discuss this in general, but this is not the example case to discuss.


It's the perfect case to discuss this. Nothing about this should be a national conversation and yet here we are. Even the most ****ty of women can still change their mind and hit you up with rape charged that make national news years later.
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11:41a, 10/5/26
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At this point, with her case falling apart with the FACTS that have been released, she should no longer be allowed to slander these guys as Jane Doe. She should not be allowed to remain anonymous while naming these dudes in a suit when she consented to having simultaneous sex with at least two of them. If you're going to be the fraternity ****, own it.
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In reply to Omperlodge • 11:46a, 10/5/26
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Omperlodge said:
I am saying this is a million times worse than the Trump case that got a conviction. Meaning there is at least something here to fathom a conviction on. The Trump case was mindboggling bad.

There was no conviction in the Trump case.
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In reply to RikkiTikkaTagem • 11:57a, 10/5/26
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RikkiTikkaTagem said:
GeorgiAg said:
My wife wants to have a "talk" about this with her son/my stepson. 17 years old. I talked her out of it, for now.

It's good to discuss this in general, but this is not the example case to discuss.


It's the perfect case to discuss this. Nothing about this should be a national conversation and yet here we are. Even the most ****ty of women can still change their mind and hit you up with rape charged that make national news years later.

Yeah . . .

What that could look like is: If you, especially, choose to hook-up and have a one-night stand, know this, the woman can wake up regretting her decision and later claim she was raped. And because of how society is, we're all going to believe her. Even if we don't, because you are a guy people will look at you differently. In fact, there is a case going on right now where that happened.

Don't have sex until you're married.
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12:03p, 10/5/26
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the low IQs amongst us simply don't understand the precedents (and that's terrifying) with the Clancy case and now the Cornell case. I haven't talked to a single female about the Clancy trial that realized that Canada only gives 5 year max sentences to ANY mother who kills their children under the age of 1. Not one.

Now, we're potentially opening the door for regret to be labeled as SA with lives immediately ruined before any facts or evidence is showcased.

Terrifying times....
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In reply to Martin Cash • 12:18p, 10/5/26
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Martin Cash said:
Omperlodge said:
I am saying this is a million times worse than the Trump case that got a conviction. Meaning there is at least something here to fathom a conviction on. The Trump case was mindboggling bad.

There was no conviction in the Trump case.

No conviction, but they found him liable for SA and defamation and said he was responsible for almost $100 million on a 30 year old "incident" and has basically zero evidence against him. 30 year old unreliable testimony shouldn't be enough to find someone guilty.

They are very similar in that the bulk of the case relies on testimony of an individual. Simply accusing someone of something shouldn't be enough to get a conviction. Real, non-biased evidence is needed.

That being said the Cornell case is closer to the Duke case in my mind.
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In reply to GeorgiAg • 12:32p, 10/5/26
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GeorgiAg said:
My wife wants to have a "talk" about this with her son/my stepson. 17 years old. I talked her out of it, for now.

It's good to discuss this in general, but this is not the example case to discuss.

I think the question is what "talk" does she want. Is it "Son, you need to be very careful because all the responsibility will be on you and life isn't fair." Combining this talk with some of the things that women might do in order to manipulate him. This isn't to turn him away from women but how to filter and protect himself, there are good girls out there. There are also a lot that are on various drugs and have had their brains fried by TikTok or have had some other trauma in their lives that is going to be very hard to deprogram.

The message should always be personal responsibility and choices when talking to boys. I just wish that more women felt the same with girls, some do but many allow them to feel nothing is ever their responsibility no matter how many bad choices they make. I have spent a lot of time trying to help my boys spot the red flags and to always protect themselves and make good choices.
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1:01p, 10/5/26
The only criminal in this situation is the female for bringing false rape accusations against these guys and destroying their reputations
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Definitely a good case for talking with young folks about making wise decisions and protecting yourself. Partying, getting blitzed out of your mind on drugs and booze, and engaging in impaired casual sex isn't the fun time it's made out to be. It can lead to all sorts of negative consequences. Be careful where you go, who you hang out with, and what choices you make.
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aggie93 said:
Jugstore Cowboy said:
Can we all agree that gang bangs are effing gross? Even if they're consensual?

Sure, but that's really irrelevant. Lots of sexual preferences are "gross" but legal. A big part of the issue with this is people are repulsed by the act and the thought that any girl would do that or guys would go along with it as well. I could say the same thing about OF. Or porn. Or swingers. Or a lot of "acts" I won't describe here but are super cringeworthy or worse. I mean your average Pride parade makes it clear there are folks into some really wild stuff I don't even want to imagine.

All that matters is if the acts were consensual and were any laws broken. Everything else is really a distraction.


If we're just discussing the legal aspect and whether a crime was committed, then sure that's all that matters. But there's definitely more discussions to be had around it. Lots of moral and ethical aspects as well as mental and physical health.
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I will say this...knowing what had happened, and the nature of some women, especially supposed "care free - down for anything" types of women such as this, who more than likely are grappling with at least one mental illness...disinviting her from any party was a MAJOR blunder on thier part. Unless they told her maybe that they had kicked the other participants of the orgy out of thr fraternity or something.

That was almost certainly THE catalyst for all of this. They don't do that, and they play their cards a little more wisely, and maybe this drug fueled orgy doesn't blow up into a major national "Rape" scandal.
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Ogre09 said:
aggie93 said:
Jugstore Cowboy said:
Can we all agree that gang bangs are effing gross? Even if they're consensual?

Sure, but that's really irrelevant. Lots of sexual preferences are "gross" but legal. A big part of the issue with this is people are repulsed by the act and the thought that any girl would do that or guys would go along with it as well. I could say the same thing about OF. Or porn. Or swingers. Or a lot of "acts" I won't describe here but are super cringeworthy or worse. I mean your average Pride parade makes it clear there are folks into some really wild stuff I don't even want to imagine.

All that matters is if the acts were consensual and were any laws broken. Everything else is really a distraction.


If we're just discussing the legal aspect and whether a crime was committed, then sure that's all that matters. But there's definitely more discussions to be had around it. Lots of moral and ethical aspects as well as mental and physical health.

If there wasn't a potential rape case and a civil case then none of us would have heard about this. Lots of people do weird depraved sex acts every day that are disgusting. Thus the moral discussion is a distraction to get people to look at "that is so gross" and focus on that vs the legal aspect. I'm fine with the men and woman being shamed for their behavior and don't have an issue with the expulsions even. Still the law needs to come first because without it moral standards are irrelevant.

If we want to change the law to prevent this type of thing from happening that's fine but it's a distraction from the case.
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Hardcore Greg said:
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I will say this...knowing what had happened, and the nature of some women, especially supposed "care free - down for anything" types of women such as this, who more than likely are grappling with at least one mental illness...disinviting her from any party was a MAJOR blunder on thier part. Unless they told her maybe that they had kicked the other participants of the orgy out of thr fraternity or something.

That was almost certainly THE catalyst for all of this. They don't do that, and they play their cards a little more wisely, and maybe this drug fueled orgy doesn't blow up into a major national "Rape" scandal.

Very much so and that point can't be emphasized enough. This was about the social consequences of the "evening" getting so much attention. The fact her greatest anger came from being shunned to keep partying with her "rapists" completely destroys any credibility to it being "rape". Girls that are raped don't go back for more.
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In reply to aggie93 • 2:53p, 10/5/26
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Hardcore Greg said:
Ulysses90 said:


I will say this...knowing what had happened, and the nature of some women, especially supposed "care free - down for anything" types of women such as this, who more than likely are grappling with at least one mental illness...disinviting her from any party was a MAJOR blunder on thier part. Unless they told her maybe that they had kicked the other participants of the orgy out of thr fraternity or something.

That was almost certainly THE catalyst for all of this. They don't do that, and they play their cards a little more wisely, and maybe this drug fueled orgy doesn't blow up into a major national "Rape" scandal.

Very much so and that point can't be emphasized enough. This was about the social consequences of the "evening" getting so much attention. The fact her greatest anger came from being shunned to keep partying with her "rapists" completely destroys any credibility to it being "rape". Girls that are raped don't go back for more.

the counter argument to her trying to arrange another threesome and attend party, etc. that I keep seeing and hearing is "that's classic trauma...."

which takes levels of insanity to say with a straight face
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GeorgiAg said:
My wife wants to have a "talk" about this with her son/my stepson. 17 years old. I talked her out of it, for now.

It's good to discuss this in general, but this is not the example case to discuss.

Get your wife off of social media.

Just solved more problems than one.
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