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This is a question for people who live near a data center.

What is your overall experience? How did it affect your daily life- noise? Water? Power? Traffic? Jobs?
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Nice answer to an open ended question.
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I don't live next to one, yet, but there is one going up 50 miles from me. This is rural West Texas. People I know there tell me the traffic is absolutely horrible. A trip across town used to take 5 minutes, now it's 30.

The worst I've heard has been gravel trucks. Those guys are being paid by the load and DGAF about traffic laws, roadway etiquette, nothing. There have been several wrecks due to these trucks.

You put 3000 workers in a town of 2500, resources get stretched beyond their limits
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I have one going up very close to my house, will report back in a year. So far, no impact.
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Live near several in the Phoenix area where water is much more scarce. If you didn't know what they are you wouldn't pay any attention to them. No noise, they use closed loop chilling systems (so I'm told) and once they opened there's no additional traffic. I met a guy from Amarillo that's working on one a couple of miles away and he's making bank.
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Roanoke, TX is datacenter central.

Facebook has 5 DC's there. A couple of banks(which I spent the last 13 yrs of my career working ) . There was another customer that Oracle prvided service but I can''t remeber the name.

I've been retired 7 yrs so the landscape may have changed.
I knw the bank's still there.

After 9/11 the banks had to move contingency to different climate zones(if that's the right phrase).
When Hurrican Harvey parked over Rockport, the biggies in NY called asking if we were impacted by the storm.
The site manager, a salty Tx girl said, "That storm is over 250 miles away. We don't live in a lliiiiiiittle teeeeeny weeeny state like you.
Cracked me up.

They'll be no traffic after the buildout
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Water not an issue.

Noise and light pollution is. You can see the lights blow up the sky at night for a few miles away, further if it's foggy.

Noise is audible within 1 mile. It's a constant humming, squealing, fan noise. Imagine a leaf blower droning at a constant rpm 24/7/365.

What used to be a nice rural area is wrecked.

Power not a problem because it's redundant from 3 co-ops. And there are 40 semi truck sized diesel generators that fire up during power outages. Those can be heard for a couple of miles away.

Jobs are only created through construction and the companies and employees aren't locals. Otherwise these sites usually have fewer cars in the lot than I have at my ranch and very little human activity.

Traffic is an issue during construction which takes close to a decade in phases to complete. Several people have been killed in accidents involving concrete and aggregate haulers.

Overall, sitting on the porch in the evening drinking bourbon is now a thing of the past and most 6 generation farms and ranches are now on the market for sale to whomever will buy.

Hopefully that answers your question about how people feel.
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Sorry that's been your experience. I've got 2 within a mile of me and no noise, no lights, no traffic and I only know they're there because I hear people complaining but they can't tell me why. Utility prices aren't any different than they were and no issues with water.
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BrazosDog02 said:

Water not an issue.

Noise and light pollution is. You can see the lights blow up the sky at night for a few miles away, further if it's foggy.

Noise is audible within 1 mile. It's a constant humming, squealing, fan noise. Imagine a leaf blower droning at a constant rpm 24/7/365.

What used to be a nice rural area is wrecked.

Power not a problem because it's redundant from 3 co-ops. And there are 40 semi truck sized diesel generators that fire up during power outages. Those can be heard for a couple of miles away.

Jobs are only created through construction and the companies and employees aren't locals. Otherwise these sites usually have fewer cars in the lot than I have at my ranch and very little human activity.

Traffic is an issue during construction which takes close to a decade in phases to complete. Several people have been killed in accidents involving concrete and aggregate haulers.

Overall, sitting on the porch in the evening drinking bourbon is now a thing of the past and most 6 generation farms and ranches are now on the market for sale to whomever will buy.

Hopefully that answers your question about how people feel.

We had 10 V12's. Five for the A side, five for the Bside. Site would run on 4.
When we did monthly testing a neighbor would call the fire dept and say there was a fire at the "new" building.
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jja79 said:

Sorry that's been your experience. I've got 2 within a mile of me and no noise, no lights, no traffic and I only know they're there because I hear people complaining but they can't tell me why. Utility prices aren't any different than they were and no issues with water.


I've always wondered what's it's like to be completely incapable of considering that someone else may have a different experience than your own. Can you tell me more?
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BrazosDog02 said:

Water not an issue.

Noise and light pollution is. You can see the lights blow up the sky at night for a few miles away, further if it's foggy.

Noise is audible within 1 mile. It's a constant humming, squealing, fan noise. Imagine a leaf blower droning at a constant rpm 24/7/365.

What used to be a nice rural area is wrecked.

Power not a problem because it's redundant from 3 co-ops. And there are 40 semi truck sized diesel generators that fire up during power outages. Those can be heard for a couple of miles away.

Jobs are only created through construction and the companies and employees aren't locals. Otherwise these sites usually have fewer cars in the lot than I have at my ranch and very little human activity.

Traffic is an issue during construction which takes close to a decade in phases to complete. Several people have been killed in accidents involving concrete and aggregate haulers.

Overall, sitting on the porch in the evening drinking bourbon is now a thing of the past and most 6 generation farms and ranches are now on the market for sale to whomever will buy.

Hopefully that answers your question about how people feel.


You talking about DCs or drilling?
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gkaggie08 said:

I don't live next to one, yet, but there is one going up 50 miles from me. This is rural West Texas. People I know there tell me the traffic is absolutely horrible. A trip across town used to take 5 minutes, now it's 30.

The worst I've heard has been gravel trucks. Those guys are being paid by the load and DGAF about traffic laws, roadway etiquette, nothing. There have been several wrecks due to these trucks.

You put 3000 workers in a town of 2500, resources get stretched beyond their limits


Is this construction traffic, or does the data center operate on aggregate?
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I live in a rural area and grew up in a small west Texas town. I've witnessed quite a few infrastructure dust ups over the years. It's interesting what "6th generation farmers and ranchers" find offensive to the landscape. I didn't see much pushback when oil companies were cutting roads, pipelines, and flattening hills for rig platforms or punching holes to get at millions of gallons of water for fracking. When the windmill guys came with their surface use contracts land owners lined up for that easy money. Data centers are much less intrusive.than windmills which are an absolute abomination and don't use near the volume of water as fracking. Yet we have this dire concern from staunch stewards of the land about data centers. Curious. I wonder why?
jja79
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I just told you what my experience is living near them. I'm perfectly fine with others having a different opinion but when I talk to people with those opinions I've yet to hear anyone with a logical answer to why they hold their opinion. You go right ahead thinking however you do.
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jja79 said:

Sorry that's been your experience. I've got 2 within a mile of me and no noise, no lights, no traffic and I only know they're there because I hear people complaining but they can't tell me why. Utility prices aren't any different than they were and no issues with water.

Well clearly they are different in Texas because the ones here are loud as **** and bright as ****.
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gkaggie08 said:

I don't live next to one, yet, but there is one going up 50 miles from me. This is rural West Texas. People I know there tell me the traffic is absolutely horrible. A trip across town used to take 5 minutes, now it's 30.

The worst I've heard has been gravel trucks. Those guys are being paid by the load and DGAF about traffic laws, roadway etiquette, nothing. There have been several wrecks due to these trucks.

You put 3000 workers in a town of 2500, resources get stretched beyond their limits

You just described my experience in Beeville when th Eagle Ford kicked off in 2009/2010. At that time there was one "modern" hotel and a couple of aging motels, 1 "nice" apartment complex and a few others... And here came the pipeliners (if you think haul truck drivers can't drive let me tell you about Dodge driving welders), rig crews, heavy trucks, and everything associated with an oil boom.
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Jbob04 said:

jja79 said:

Sorry that's been your experience. I've got 2 within a mile of me and no noise, no lights, no traffic and I only know they're there because I hear people complaining but they can't tell me why. Utility prices aren't any different than they were and no issues with water.

Well clearly they are different in Texas because the ones here are loud as **** and bright as ****.


Could it be the ones in Texas are the newer ones and the other places got the first generation tech?

I mean, it sucks either way for you guys, but just wondering out loud.
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Jbob04 said:

jja79 said:

Sorry that's been your experience. I've got 2 within a mile of me and no noise, no lights, no traffic and I only know they're there because I hear people complaining but they can't tell me why. Utility prices aren't any different than they were and no issues with water.

Well clearly they are different in Texas because the ones here are loud as **** and bright as ****.


Which ones are you speaking of that are loud and bright AF? The light I understand to a degree, but I have worked in data centers for 20 years and unless the generators are running they are quiet. Even the gens don't create noise that can be heard for miles.

Just curious which ones you are talking about.
ts5641
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There's a lot online about this. Read about the one in Granbury. People experiencing all kinds of symptoms as well as their pets.
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ts5641 said:

There's a lot online about this. Read about the one in Granbury. People experiencing all kinds of symptoms as well as their pets.


Lol
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ts5641 said:

There's a lot online about this. Read about the one in Granbury. People experiencing all kinds of symptoms as well as their pets.

There are no data centers currently in Granbury, there have been proposals to build, but no data centers have been built.

There is a 300 megawatt crypto mining facility, and until now I never understood the noise complaints from people about data centers (which are actually quiet). Crypto facilities are loud, but they shouldn't be confused with data centers, they may provide the same function, and look somewhat similar, but the current proposals for new data centers are vastly different than a crypto mining facility.
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HumpitPuryear said:

I live in a rural area and grew up in a small west Texas town. I've witnessed quite a few infrastructure dust ups over the years. It's interesting what "6th generation farmers and ranchers" find offensive to the landscape. I didn't see much pushback when oil companies were cutting roads, pipelines, and flattening hills for rig platforms or punching holes to get at millions of gallons of water for fracking. When the windmill guys came with their surface use contracts land owners lined up for that easy money. Data centers are much less intrusive.than windmills which are an absolute abomination and don't use near the volume of water as fracking. Yet we have this dire concern from staunch stewards of the land about data centers. Curious. I wonder why?

I'm not interested in living next to a data center anytime soon but this is a fair post...

Kyle Field Shade Chaser
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Hotels in areas where data center are being built have gone from $130/ night to about $$300-$400 / night.

See Abilene, TX.
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ts5641 said:

There's a lot online about this. Read about the one in Granbury. People experiencing all kinds of symptoms as well as their pets.



Do they still have fire coming out of their water faucets up there?
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Kyle Field Shade Chaser said:

Hotels in areas where data center are being built have gone from $130/ night to about $$300-$400 / night.

See Abilene, TX.

Yep, that part has gotten crazy. I had to send a crew out there for field work and the hotel prices are ridiculous. I've had to start doubling the lodging costs in proposals for some areas that we work in just because rooms are so expensive.
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Massive one being built up by Lake Whitney just outside of Laguna Park on HWY 56. I passed it this weekend and was shocked of the sheer size of the construction/campus. Looked into it and apparently when it's finished it'll pull up to 400MW of power. I'd imagine that's one of the larger ones in the state. Assume they built there because of the access to the lake's power generation facilities.
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Not too big based on what's coming. I can tell you that some of them are 2 to 5 times that number of MW.
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Wow. That's shocking. What is the expected overall impact to ERCOT? I assume this has been studied, etc. Well then again, probably not knowing ERCOT leadership. But I can only imagine the pull on the grid / water tables from all of these data centers.
Hank the Grifter
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Willie Nelson has entered the fray. I know it will surprise many of you to learn that he's anti data center.
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Is it still true that these data centers will be returning power to the grid to help with stabilization and power generation? Because that was a big talking point at the outset of this DC buildup...IOW, even if AI was a bubble dud we were still improving the grids with these DCs.
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He must be talking about the one beside Laguna Park I referenced earlier. As the crow flies probably about 15 miles from Abbott.
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gkaggie08 said:

I don't live next to one, yet, but there is one going up 50 miles from me. This is rural West Texas. People I know there tell me the traffic is absolutely horrible. A trip across town used to take 5 minutes, now it's 30.

The worst I've heard has been gravel trucks. Those guys are being paid by the load and DGAF about traffic laws, roadway etiquette, nothing. There have been several wrecks due to these trucks.

You put 3000 workers in a town of 2500, resources get stretched beyond their limits

Gravel trucks will not be travelling the highways when the datacenter is complete. And I don't think 3000 workers is required to operate a datacenter. It's probably no more than 300.
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KatyAggie2000 said:

Wow. That's shocking. What is the expected overall impact to ERCOT? I assume this has been studied, etc. Well then again, probably not knowing ERCOT leadership. But I can only imagine the pull on the grid / water tables from all of these data centers.


It's all currently in the process of being studied by ERCOT to determine what is safe to connect to the grid now or in the near future and what upgrades to the grid are needed to allow it to connect. Some of the data centers have already been studied and approved, and those are the ones under construction now.
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If we could walk and chew gum at the same time, we would have the data centers get together with the strip miners. Build data centers in the bottom of the hole and cover them up. Only half joking. I think we will see some changes to the construction of data centers and putting them mostly underground seems like a reasonable way to make them less visible and more resilient. They are going to get built. The efforts should be on making them better neighbors.
 
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