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This incident makes it seem like it would be a good idea for national security to have a ballroom at a secure location with advanced security features and where like, a would-be assassin hotel guest thats already in the building, can't crash the party or something like that.

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So the president (of any ilk) should be holed up in a fortress, hermetically sealed from any threat or danger?

Maybe we should add a moat, populated with alligators, or maybe sharks with lasers, and sniper towers to take out any potential threat, like anyone that doesn't like him, or dares utter statements in opposition to His will?

The president (any president) has to go out in public. You take reasonable precautions for security that balances the need to keep the president safe with the requirements of a free society and then you do the best you can, which it seems like is what happened at this event. Security stopped this person from getting anywhere near the president. Mission accomplished.

If the definition of a "secure" event is one that is so locked down that no one would even consider attempting anything, then you are living in a fantasy world with a police state fetish.

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Next thing he will want is a 18 hole golf course in the White House for security, not one of those simulated ones.

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Or maybe a basketball court...

Oh wait...been there done that...

Or repainted the existing tennis court but why let facts get in the way of a good sound bite.

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Clearly you don't read the annual reports on U.S. extremist violence produced by the FBI, the ADL, CSIS, Cato, and other orgs.

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oh a long-corrupted bureaucracy and some democrat funded NGOs. Should we also read and believe everything from the Southern Poverty Law Center, any NGOs funded by Open Society Foundation?

the left defends and protects its base- including all the criminals and freaks, so your gang banger shootings and your trans mass shootings aren't counted as a risk or extremist or political... so most of the violence in this country is just not counted and the left just wants to repeat some biased stats about 'political' violence that doesn't count violent leftists as "political", but anything a non-leftist ever does is political.

the right is not activist. they don't protest and riot everything like the progressivist activist left does. they never really do anything but vote. the one time some people actually did something, with zero shots fired and zero cops or politicians killed, it was a 5 year freak out show about losing democracy in an insurrection. so, no, I'm not going to read a report from ADL, Cato, or CSIS.

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Calling out Cato for being left biased is absurd.

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The Cato report calls incels a right-wing ideology and lumps murders by such as right winger political terrorism.

I don't know if I would call that a left bias, Cato certainly doesn't have that reputation, but I highly question the above assertion.

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I like to think of myself as more of a classical liberal, which these days is considered a moderate or even potentially right-of-center. I grew up in a Republican household, served in the military, interned with a Republican member of Congress, and spent a lot of quality time with George and Barbara Bush.

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Exactly. The reason you are "considered" moderate or r-o-c is a large portion of the Democrat base has gone plum nuts. Violence is part of that equation. D leaders know they can't condemn crazy as a platform because they would never get elected. Violence is only a portion of the crazy, there is plenty to go around. There is also a reason you do not hear conservatives saying "I am a classic conservative, now im considered left of center", no?

Yes, there is extreme crazy on the right too. But, surely you must see that the majority of this mess is coming from the left. And, it seems to be increasing weekly.

I lived in Portland (openly conservative) for a couple years in the early 90's. I loved it. Portland was a pretty cool place to be for a Texas kid with limited outside experience. Man do I have some stories... The exposure to different world views was educational, not dangerous. It is dangerous now. I've always wanted to take my wife and kids back to Hubers for some turkey and Spanish Coffee. I am advised by those I have kept in contact with not to do so. It's sad, really. Liberals in Houston do not feel threatened the same way. Why? Violence.

Ultimately, this stuff has to stop and we have got to put people in office who will be better than what we have seen from the populace as of late. That is not happening and yes, it is on both sides. There is a portion of MAGA that cheers the rediculous stuff Trump puts out too, fair is fair. And, he is playing to their votes as well with his tweets that might as well be coming from some limp wrist child in a Jr high gym class, I get it.

I pray that social media is not the pandoras box it appears to be. Literally every day. I cringe when I see the ignorance from the right too. LOTS of people who voted for Trump feel the same way. The further we go down the rabbit hole it seems that people with honarable disposition refuse to run/serve. Can't say I blame them. That is a scary problem.

Social media, to include this forum, is not the barometer. Get out and talk to people. Do so with a servants heart. Unfortunately we are all asked to vote for "the best candidate" and not always "a great candidate".

WE have to condemn the crazy in the street and put people in office who care for people and love this country. That is not to say you will agree with all of their policies. If this does not happen, we all know what's coming. It will make the correspondents' dinner look like lego-land.

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DeschutesAg said:

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Have you ever condemned Trump's and the other R's dangerous lies and violent hateful rhetoric?

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list Trump's violent hateful rhetoric.

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They've been laying the groundwork for changes to the language over the last several years to the point that anything directed against them and their beliefs is hateful and violent. So in Trump's case, pretty much any time he opens his mouth and puts fingers to a keyboard, it is hateful rhetoric, at least in the so-called minds of leftists everywhere.

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Powerful picture

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Believe it was one of the Fox gals who was at the table with Kash and his wife and similar take that Kash made sure the ladies where under the table before looking out after hisself.

A bit humorous on Trump keeping his head up as he did so to "see what was going on" per his own words. To be fair, I would expect nothing more nor less than my man Trump to want to watch the happenins.

New post making the rounds on X. Thoughts on this creator?

Uhhhh, yea. Just keep an open mind and watch this. https://t.co/80qXHOJVle

— 🏴‍☠️ (@calvinfroedge) April 27, 2026

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I don't know if it means anything or not...but I hear the code name for the basement project is "Area 53".

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Area 47

And it's a prime number.

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Both sides need to quit cheeleading against the other side every time this happens.

Still.

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This isn't a both sides issue. Only one side is doing it and calling for it.

Still.

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Right on. How many rednecks tried to assassinate 0bama? How many flaming libs have tried to assassinate Trump (so far)?

Most definitely NOT a both sides thing.

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The Obama family have been the targets of numerous attacks and assassination plots from 2007 through 2023.

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For that matter, there were a significant number of posts on F16 calling for violence against Obama. Brandon even posted about how the SS came knocking on his door about it. It's not surprising he nuked everything on F16 that was posted pre-2020.

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This isn't accurate at all. Brandon posted in 2020 about posts regarding the violent protests across the country and unrest on campus. It wasn't about "a significant number of posts" calling for violence against Obama. He had been out of office for 4 years by that point.

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Also a random yahoo on an anonymous message board calling for violence against a President (or former PRes) is very different from the leaders of a political party and television entities doing it (as is the case for the Democrats right now)

The attempt to equate threats with actual assassination attempts is pathetic - only sightly better to pretend it was a false flag.

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Any perceived bias on the board is driven by the users, not by staff in my opinion.

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Agreed.

Because of the fact that we have more right-leaning voices in our former student base and on here (not our fault, that's just how it is), those opinions tend to be louder and more responses come from that viewpoint.

That doesn't make this place a single-issue or single-viewpoint echo chamber. We have a lot of Republican voters on here who don't agree on a number of issues, which was magnified post-Trump. I think some come on here trying to push opposing viewpoints, get pushed back, and it makes them upset...which they spin into being attacked on here. I'm not saying rude interactions don't happen. They do. But it's not the majority.

Should we all try harder to be reasonably argumentative and less combative? Of course. Myself included. That's why I try to do it through humor because it keeps things lighter.

Does that make this board the worst place on the Internet? Not even close. This place is tame compared to the jungle out there.

Thoughts?

It's more of the wackadoodle stuff that makes Q look normal that you've been posting to this thread since Saturday.

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The attempt to equate threats with actual assassination attempts is pathetic - only sightly better to pretend it was a false flag.

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I've had to unfollow some people in my social feed after last weekend. Anyone trying to equate what that maniac tried to do (actual murder) and equate it to things said by Trump or his cabinet isn't someone I want to have a conversation with - because it turns me into a person I don't want to be. And to see people thinking it was staged, knowing Trump was actually shot less than 2 years ago, is also disturbing.

Jasmine Crockett will you go on record and denounce this horrific attack?

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The attempt to equate threats with actual assassination attempts is pathetic - only sightly better to pretend it was a false flag.

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I've had to unfollow some people in my social feed after last weekend. Anyone trying to equate what that maniac tried to do (actual murder) and equate it to things said by Trump or his cabinet isn't someone I want to have a conversation with - because it turns me into a person I don't want to be. And to see people thinking it was staged, knowing Trump was actually shot less than 2 years ago, is also disturbing.

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Liberalism has transformed into a religion of hate and lies and believers repeatedly trying to rationalize it.
You see it on display in this thread and in real life.

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Clearly you don't read the annual reports on U.S. extremist violence produced by the FBI, the ADL, CSIS, Cato, and other orgs.

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oh a long-corrupted bureaucracy and some democrat funded NGOs. Should we also read and believe everything from the Southern Poverty Law Center, any NGOs funded by Open Society Foundation?

the left defends and protects its base- including all the criminals and freaks, so your gang banger shootings and your trans mass shootings aren't counted as a risk or extremist or political... so most of the violence in this country is just not counted and the left just wants to repeat some biased stats about 'political' violence that doesn't count violent leftists as "political", but anything a non-leftist ever does is political.

the right is not activist. they don't protest and riot everything like the progressivist activist left does. they never really do anything but vote. the one time some people actually did something, with zero shots fired and zero cops or politicians killed, it was a 5 year freak out show about losing democracy in an insurrection. so, no, I'm not going to read a report from ADL, Cato, or CSIS.

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Calling out Cato for being left biased is absurd.

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The Cato report calls incels a right-wing ideology and lumps murders by such as right winger political terrorism.

I don't know if I would call that a left bias, Cato certainly doesn't have that reputation, but I highly question the above assertion.

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They also count domestic violence cases as "right wing" if one of the parties involved has any connection to something like the KKK or Aryan Brotherhood. So if some guy who was in a prison gang kills his wife, it is "right wing violence" according to groups like Cato, ADL, and the SPLC.

It isn't "right wing violence", but it pads their stats just like counting 18-21 year olds as kids for the purpose of "childhood gun deaths."

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Move past high level political targeting and just look at all the mayhem and violence caused by leftist rioters. Point me to the billions in damage caused by violent mobs of conservatives please. The "both sides" schtick is just Simple Jack level retreaded. But I get it, humility is extremely hard to come by far the narcissistic left.

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Clearly you don't read the annual reports on U.S. extremist violence

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Is this right wing "extremist violence" in the room with us right now?

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Of course it is, the SPLC is hard at work.

I didn't look up all the names but here is the lineage to the USA President. It's a long list. Hopefully this list will never be utilized.

- Vice President of the United States: [Current Vice President]
- Speaker of the House: [Current Speaker]
- President pro tempore of the Senate: [Current President pro tempore]
- Secretary of State: [Current Secretary or Acting Secretary]
- Secretary of the Treasury: [Current Secretary or Acting Secretary]
- Secretary of Defense: [Current Secretary or Acting Secretary]
- Attorney General: [Current Attorney General or Acting Attorney General]
- Secretary of the Interior: [Current Secretary or Acting Secretary]
- Secretary of Agriculture: [Current Secretary or Acting Secretary]
- Secretary of Commerce: [Current Secretary or Acting Secretary]
- Secretary of Labor: [Current Secretary or Acting Secretary]
- Secretary of Health and Human Services: [Current Secretary or Acting Secretary]
- Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: [Current Secretary or Acting Secretary]
- Secretary of Transportation: [Current Secretary or Acting Secretary]
- Secretary of Energy: [Current Secretary or Acting Secretary]
- Secretary of Education: [Current Secretary or Acting Secretary]
- Secretary of Veterans Affairs: [Current Secretary or Acting Secretary]
- Secretary of Homeland Security: [Current Secretary or Acting Secretary]

DeschutesAg said:

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Move past high level political targeting and just look at all the mayhem and violence caused by leftist rioters. Point me to the billions in damage caused by violent mobs of conservatives please. The "both sides" schtick is just Simple Jack level retreaded. But I get it, humility is extremely hard to come by far the narcissistic left.

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Clearly you don't read the annual reports on U.S. extremist violence produced by the FBI, the ADL, CSIS, Cato, and other orgs.

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Paid for by the SPLC and USAID

Ryan the Temp said:

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I do come to F16 because I personally think it benefits me to be exposed to conservative points of view.

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Stick around, RTT. We'll make a conservative of ya yet.

DeschutesAg said:

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Move past high level political targeting and just look at all the mayhem and violence caused by leftist rioters. Point me to the billions in damage caused by violent mobs of conservatives please. The "both sides" schtick is just Simple Jack level retreaded. But I get it, humility is extremely hard to come by far the narcissistic left.

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Clearly you don't read the annual reports on U.S. extremist violence produced by the FBI, the ADL, CSIS, Cato, and other orgs.

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Those were funded by SLPC, the biggest hate group of them all.

And Democrat.

The security failures were widespread, and obvious based on what we know now. That's not a partisan complaint, but a simple point of fact, really.

.@MarkHalperin breaks down how the alleged assassination attempt on President Trump unfolded and why major security failures may have made the situation far more dangerous than many realize. #NextUpHalperin#WhiteHouse #PoliticalNews #DonaldTrump

Watch the FULL clip -… pic.twitter.com/eGiMHMV2A0

— Next Up with Mark Halperin (@NextUpHalperin) April 28, 2026

One thing I believe Trump has simply failed to do is get the security team(s) around him (and others) to a high level of competence/consistency/professionalism in planning and execution. Individual bravery is great for the cameras but it is just pathetic, imho in hindsight what this really betrays. It also makes me worried to have Vance going to Islamabad etc. with these folks handling security.

Everything from old paper barcodes/tickets, to the security perimeter, to the process to check folks, and of course putting something like 8 of the 9 folks in order of succession to the US gov't in some hotel ball room is just unacceptable, period.

Tarlov brought up the CATO stuff on the Five. So it's a Reddit, BlueSky point that's been unleashed today.

When the facts are not in libs side, they make up data and phony studies / polls. It's just more lying, it's what they do.

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Move past high level political targeting and just look at all the mayhem and violence caused by leftist rioters. Point me to the billions in damage caused by violent mobs of conservatives please. The "both sides" schtick is just Simple Jack level retreaded. But I get it, humility is extremely hard to come by far the narcissistic left.

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Clearly you don't read the annual reports on U.S. extremist violence produced by the FBI, the ADL, CSIS, Cato, and other orgs.

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Gee... no, Karen, no I don't....

Guess what I do pay attention to though?

Which side is actually pulling triggers & shooting people, not as an act of defense, but as an act of aggression!!!

...but more importantly I pay attention to which side is openly celebrating political violence, and pushing rhetoric that keeps showing up in trans manifestos, and the social media posts of those who vote Democrat & actually engage in violence.

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Someone said Karen. Here's the face of those that praise violence.

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Tarlov brought up the CATO stuff on the Five. So it's a Reddit, BlueSky point that's been unleashed today.

When the facts are not in libs side, they make up data and phony studies / polls. It's just more lying, it's what they do.

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I'm amazed at how blind those people are, on reddit/blue sky.

Can't even stand the name blue sky after they re named Mt Evans.

I'm gonna go eat a snickers now.

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Tarlov brought up the CATO stuff on the Five. So it's a Reddit, BlueSky point that's been unleashed today.

When the facts are not in libs side, they make up data and phony studies / polls. It's just more lying, it's what they do.

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That bull**** was already debunked after Charlie Kirk's murder and Tarlov and other libs are such lowbrow twits that they just repeat the lies again.

DeschutesAg said:

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Move past high level political targeting and just look at all the mayhem and violence caused by leftist rioters. Point me to the billions in damage caused by violent mobs of conservatives please. The "both sides" schtick is just Simple Jack level retreaded. But I get it, humility is extremely hard to come by far the narcissistic left.

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Clearly you don't read the annual reports on U.S. extremist violence produced by the FBI, the ADL, CSIS, Cato, and other orgs.

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Too bad the SPLC has been discredited and must be left out of your alphabet soup, and much of the "right wing" violence has been funded by this, and likely other, left wing organizations. Apparently since there was more demand for right wing violence than supply, the left had to fund it themselves. That SPLC thing sure kills a lot of leftist talking points.

Who didn't laugh out loud when an FBI director said that right wing radicals (like parents who speak out at school board meetings) were a bigger threat to the country than Islamic terrorists?

Yessir. Not unlike the regurgitations that happen here. It's an illness that causes them to repeat the lie, usually because the simply believe the lie because Krazy King Kimmel told them it was super serious and not a joke lie.

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Regarding "right-wing" groups and gaslighting…

Tarlov mentioned new Nazi groups are on the far right. No sir, that is relying an an old non-US perspective on what is "far right". Hitler was a fascist and far right in their eyes.

Same for Nazis and now neo Nazi. Do people not know what Nazi means? It's short for National SOCIALISTS.

Socialist. Hitler and the Nazi party have ZERO in common with today's Republican or MAGA or Trumper or anything. Meanwhile, fascist limitation on speech and socialist policies is a calling cry of the LEFT.

This public service announcement brought to you by flown-the-coop Honesty in Political Terminology Initiative.

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Most of the Doc Martens suspender wearing shaved head freaks who claim they are neo nazi are also hard core ANTIFA members. I see it on their profiles on social media or when they are out protesting.