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There were indeed plots that were carried out, but the feds did their jobs and foiled the attempts.

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I never said there weren't, but "numerous" is overstating it.

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I have a very good friend who served on the protective detail for both Barack and Michelle Obama and for Joe Biden and still works for the agency. He has told me there were several hundred threats against Obama during his two terms that proved to be credible, warranting SS or FBI intervention. Based on what he's told me, "numerous" is probably an understatement.

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No doubt every President deals with numerous threats and the agencies have to treat them as credible, because they can't afford not to. Hence my previous comment on differentiating 'threat' from 'attack'. President Trump has already had 3 actual attacks, which stands to reason there are probably numerous other threats that have required investigation we'll never know about.

Again, all the more reason why we need to stop playing politics with funding SS/DHS. This toxic culture of law enforcement being portrayed as "bad" has made us less safe as a nation.

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My concern in all of this is what changed that these people have been able to get far enough along in their efforts to do what we've seen? We cannot chalk it all up to the funding fight in Congress. Something seems to be fundamentally wrong when really basic things that could have (and should have) been done to prevent this recent attack simply failed to happen. The pissing contest over who had it worse doesn't help resolve that problem.

Our great nation cannot afford to lose its leader to assassination, no matter who that leader is.

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Well, considering a previous administration allowed the fed govt to spy on the Trump campaign prior to his first run...that wasn't a good start. It seems the federal govt has been used for "pissing contests" as you say, more than actually looking out for the security of our country. Whether it be for our elected officials, the border, who we have coming in here, etc.

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This is exactly why this won't stop. Y'all refuse to condemn your side for the violence.

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Don't presume to tell me what I do or don't do. I call Dems out for their bull**** all the time.

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You're doing it right here.

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What, exactly, am I doing "right here?"

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There were indeed plots that were carried out, but the feds did their jobs and foiled the attempts.

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I never said there weren't, but "numerous" is overstating it.

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There were more.

The threat incident on Saturday and the attempt in Pennsylvania should have been preemptively stopped far sooner. The feds had plenty of warning.

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And yet some applaud those who voted to suspend funding for SS and DHS. They have likely had to deal with far more threats and plots under Trump in the current political climate.

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Your Rs can fund it anytime they want.

What Ryan is saying is two of the 3 attempts should have been preempted and stopped far sooner in the process. That isn't a funding issue.

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There were indeed plots that were carried out, but the feds did their jobs and foiled the attempts.

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I never said there weren't, but "numerous" is overstating it.

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There were more.

The threat incident on Saturday and the attempt in Pennsylvania should have been preemptively stopped far sooner. The feds had plenty of warning.

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And yet some applaud those who voted to suspend funding for SS and DHS. They have likely had to deal with far more threats and plots under Trump in the current political climate.

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Your Rs can fund it anytime they want.

What Ryan is saying is two of the 3 attempts should have been preempted and stopped far sooner in the process. That isn't a funding issue.

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It shouldn't be "Your Rs" or "Your Ds" issue to fund law enforcement. If that's how you see it, then you're part of the problem.

It's quite telling that you want to emphasize all of the numerous threats on Obama but seem unwilling to see the likely possibility that there are even MORE against President Trump throughout his 2 terms and only want to point the finger when attacks are actually carried out.

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This is exactly why this won't stop. Y'all refuse to condemn your side for the violence.

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Just the opposite, actually. I condemned Jeffries "maximum war" rhetoric and I said he should apologize.

Have you ever condemned Trump's and the other R's dangerous lies and violent hateful rhetoric?

And y'all need to condemn the violence.

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I've seen plenty of disturbing posts and remarks from your side of the aisle in my years on this forum as well...but people like you keep wanting to portray this as a one-way right-wing board.

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The political leanings of this board are not a secret to anyone. Posters on the left have their vitriol removed far more often than those on the right, and they often get shouted down quickly and forcefully. That is a well-known fact on F16. I call it out and people don't like it. That's fine with me, but if I could have my way F16 would be a place where vitriol wasn't welcome from anyone. Nonetheless, I do come to F16 because I personally think it benefits me to be exposed to conservative points of view, and I like to think my perspective is of value to at least a few people here. You and I probably have more in common and agree on more things than we realize.

Getting back around to the topic, though, for you and others who want to keep saying "my side' does this or that, or I need to stop my side from doing whatever, I understand and have an appreciation for your point, but I can only control what I say or do. I can call Dems out on their BS, but I can't force people not to say or do stupid--or dangerous--things. We could go back and forth here with example after example of people on one side or the other saying angry, vitriolic things that could potentially spur people to violence, but what do we achieve through that? I do not condone the promotion of violence over political differences. Period. I will call it out when I see it, but I'm also not going to go on some futile crusade just to make a handful of F16 posters feel better.

As far as I see it, we all can do better in our own way, and we need to be more respectful of differences of opinion. It might surprise you to know I have ended more personal relationships with liberal friends than conservative friends over the way they handle differences of opinion. I've been called pro-Trump more times than I can count because I defended policies or actions that are reasonable and/or necessary (the ballroom is one of them). You can take this for what it's worth, so I just offer that I don't think lumping me in with the folks you blame for dangerous rhetoric on the left is warranted or justified.

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Move past high level political targeting and just look at all the mayhem and violence caused by leftist rioters. Point me to the billions in damage caused by violent mobs of conservatives please. The "both sides" schtick is just Simple Jack level retreaded. But I get it, humility is extremely hard to come by far the narcissistic left.

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Clearly you don't read the annual reports on U.S. extremist violence produced by the FBI, the ADL, CSIS, Cato, and other orgs.

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I've seen plenty of disturbing posts and remarks from your side of the aisle in my years on this forum as well...but people like you keep wanting to portray this as a one-way right-wing board.

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The political leanings of this board are not a secret to anyone. Posters on the left have their vitriol removed far more often than those on the right, and they often get shouted down quickly and forcefully. That is a well-known fact on F16. I call it out and people don't like it. That's fine with me, but if I could have my way F16 would be a place where vitriol wasn't welcome from anyone. Nonetheless, I do come to F16 because I personally think it benefits me to be exposed to conservative points of view, and I like to think my perspective is of value to at least a few people here. You and I probably have more in common and agree on more things than we realize.

Getting back around to the topic, though, for you and others who want to keep saying "my side' does this or that, or I need to stop my side from doing whatever, I understand and have an appreciation for your point, but I can only control what I say or do. I can call Dems out on their BS, but I can't force people not to say or do stupid--or dangerous--things. We could go back and forth here with example after example of people on one side or the other saying angry, vitriolic things that could potentially spur people to violence, but what do we achieve through that? I do not condone the promotion of violence over political differences. Period. I will call it out when I see it, but I'm also not going to go on some futile crusade just to make a handful of F16 posters feel better.

As far as I see it, we all can do better in our own way, and we need to be more respectful of differences of opinion. It might surprise you to know I have ended more personal relationships with liberal friends than conservative friends over the way they handle differences of opinion. I've been called pro-Trump more times than I can count because I defended policies or actions that are reasonable and/or necessary (the ballroom is one of them). You can take this for what it's worth, so I just offer that I don't think lumping me in with the folks you blame for dangerous rhetoric on the left is warranted or justified.

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RTT, you seem to be an old-school lib, though. Not one of the idiotic progressives we see on TV screens so many times, today.

You're one of the good ones, in other words. You and I could have a real-life dialog. A progressive? I'd just stare at them whilst blowing spit bubbles. That's their worth, in my eyes.

I like to think of myself as more of a classical liberal, which these days is considered a moderate or even potentially right-of-center. I grew up in a Republican household, served in the military, interned with a Republican member of Congress, and spent a lot of quality time with George and Barbara Bush.

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I like to think of myself as more of a classical liberal, which these days is considered a moderate or even potentially right-of-center. I grew up in a Republican household, served in the military, interned with a Republican member of Congress, and spent a lot of quality time with George and Barbara Bush.

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I've seen plenty of disturbing posts and remarks from your side of the aisle in my years on this forum as well...but people like you keep wanting to portray this as a one-way right-wing board.

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The political leanings of this board are not a secret to anyone. Posters on the left have their vitriol removed far more often than those on the right, and they often get shouted down quickly and forcefully. That is a well-known fact on F16. I call it out and people don't like it. That's fine with me, but if I could have my way F16 would be a place where vitriol wasn't welcome from anyone. Nonetheless, I do come to F16 because I personally think it benefits me to be exposed to conservative points of view, and I like to think my perspective is of value to at least a few people here. You and I probably have more in common and agree on more things than we realize.

Getting back around to the topic, though, for you and others who want to keep saying "my side' does this or that, or I need to stop my side from doing whatever, I understand and have an appreciation for your point, but I can only control what I say or do. I can call Dems out on their BS, but I can't force people not to say or do stupid--or dangerous--things. We could go back and forth here with example after example of people on one side or the other saying angry, vitriolic things that could potentially spur people to violence, but what do we achieve through that? I do not condone the promotion of violence over political differences. Period. I will call it out when I see it, but I'm also not going to go on some futile crusade just to make a handful of F16 posters feel better.

As far as I see it, we all can do better in our own way, and we need to be more respectful of differences of opinion. It might surprise you to know I have ended more personal relationships with liberal friends than conservative friends over the way they handle differences of opinion. I've been called pro-Trump more times than I can count because I defended policies or actions that are reasonable and/or necessary (the ballroom is one of them). You can take this for what it's worth, so I just offer that I don't think lumping me in with the folks you blame for dangerous rhetoric on the left is warranted or justified.

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But you will continue to vote for democrats, right?

Went from the guy was mentally ill even though there is zero proof of that, to both sides do it, next up the gun did it.

What we do know is why the guy did it. He was an Ukraine fanboy, who believed the dumbass Russian collusion. Guessing if we looked at his social media he was a double masker.

Dude was a true believer in the lefts cause of the month. Possibly a member of the alphabet mafia.

Guy was pretty much a failure in life even with all his degrees now he gets to be a hero to many and others making excuses for his behavior. The world is better off with him not in it but unfortunately he will take up taxpayer money.

Wonder how much in student loans he owes that sint be paid back either.

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Both sides need to quit cheeleading against the other side every time this happens.

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This isn't a both sides issue. Only one side is doing it and calling for it.

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Right on. How many rednecks tried to assassinate 0bama? How many flaming libs have tried to assassinate Trump (so far)?

Most definitely NOT a both sides thing.

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The Obama family have been the targets of numerous attacks and assassination plots from 2007 through 2023.

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Was one of those threats the day the presidential limo was driving down a road lined with onlookers, and there was that one dude throwing double rods at him? Because no one actually took a shot, you know, with a firearm, at Obama. Of course there were threats, he was the president after all and that does go with the job. But unless you have actual proof of said "numerous attacks and assassination plots", then GTFO with your blabbering nonsense.

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This is exactly why this won't stop. Y'all refuse to condemn your side for the violence.

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Don't presume to tell me what I do or don't do. I call Dems out for their bull**** all the time.

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That is a 24/7 job... Good luck my friend.

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Move past high level political targeting and just look at all the mayhem and violence caused by leftist rioters. Point me to the billions in damage caused by violent mobs of conservatives please. The "both sides" schtick is just Simple Jack level retreaded. But I get it, humility is extremely hard to come by far the narcissistic left.

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Clearly you don't read the annual reports on U.S. extremist violence produced by the FBI, the ADL, CSIS, Cato, and other orgs.

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Clearly you didn't read my post.

The subject was mass numbers of rioters and protesters burning cities and destroying property as well as bodily harm. Show me the videos of anything remotely similar on the right because the evidence on the left can be viewed ad nauseum. There simply is no conservative equivalent.

And don't give me J6 which I believe included quite a number of agent provocateurs. And unlike the left, if there were any right wingers that broke the law on that day, they should be properly tried and punished, not suffer the grotesque abuse of the legal system that many of them did, including the innocent.

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Posters on the left have their vitriol removed far more often than those on the right, and they often get shouted down quickly and forcefully.

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That is your opinion, not fact.

At the height of the 2020 riots and Brandon having to police the board, I recall seeing some very disturbing posts from 'new users' on here from the left (whether trolls or not) and it was a regular occurrence to see things removed - and rightfully so.

As for getting 'shouted down' quickly, that is subjective. Some on here think they're entitled to post falsehoods and not have them called out. People on here will regularly do that, albeit with more snark and sarcasm than with 'violence' or 'vitriol' as some like you try to portray it. And it's not like this is a Trump fanboard. He's called out daily on here. The idea that this is an echo chamber for one particular viewpoint is a crutch. There are a lot of debates on here beyond R vs. D. It's a lot of R vs. R in many cases, or what defines small govt or a libertarian, etc.

Yet for all its negatives, this place is like a Sunday picnic compared to places like reddit, other fan forums, and certainly other social platforms.

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Move past high level political targeting and just look at all the mayhem and violence caused by leftist rioters. Point me to the billions in damage caused by violent mobs of conservatives please. The "both sides" schtick is just Simple Jack level retreaded. But I get it, humility is extremely hard to come by far the narcissistic left.

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Clearly you don't read the annual reports on U.S. extremist violence produced by the FBI, the ADL, CSIS, Cato, and other orgs.

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Lol. Many of those reports used data from the splc. As we now know, those numbers are cooked. I would have little surprise if a group like the adl also cooks their books.

But go on and show me the violence that been done recently by said groups we should be concerned about. I can point to billions of dollars and many deaths that have be wrought by leftist groups over the past 20 years. You cannot do the same for those groups typically associated with the far right.

[This thread is not about January 6. Stop derailing this thread with it -- Staff]

I would be interested what positions you have that conservatives would agree with?

are you for lower taxes?

are you for a wall and stopping illegal immigration flooding our country?

do you support the US Military against Iran?

are you for ID in voting?

are you for abortion on demand?

do you support Israel over Hamas and the Islamic Republic?

are you for less regulations?

are you against DEI?

Sooner or later they will tell the truth like Jefferies that this is maximum war and you expect to kill people on the other side when that happens.

Remember the press getting wrapped around the axle when targets were used on Mark Kelly's wife before she was shot? They sure aren't as fired up by Jefferies declaring war on Republicans. Wonder why?

Your side owns the scoreboard right now: Trump+Kav+Scalise+Kirk

1 kill
2 near kills
3 attempted kills

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oh a long-corrupted bureaucracy and some democrat funded NGOs. Should we also read and believe everything from the Southern Poverty Law Center, any NGOs funded by Open Society Foundation?

the left defends and protects its base- including all the criminals and freaks, so your gang banger shootings and your trans mass shootings aren't counted as a risk or extremist or political... so most of the violence in this country is just not counted and the left just wants to repeat some biased stats about 'political' violence that doesn't count violent leftists as "political", but anything a non-leftist ever does is political.

the right is not activist. they don't protest and riot everything like the progressivist activist left does. they never really do anything but vote. the one time some people actually did something, with zero shots fired and zero cops or politicians killed, it was a 5 year freak out show about losing democracy in an insurrection. so, no, I'm not going to read a report from ADL or CSIS.

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Have you ever condemned Trump's and the other R's dangerous lies and violent hateful rhetoric?

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list Trump's violent hateful rhetoric.

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Have you ever condemned Trump's and the other R's dangerous lies and violent hateful rhetoric?

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list Trump's violent hateful rhetoric.

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In progressive's minds, Trump saying trans shouldn't be in women's sports is violent hateful rhetoric.

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Posters on the left have their vitriol removed far more often than those on the right, and they often get shouted down quickly and forcefully.

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That is your opinion, not fact.

At the height of the 2020 riots and Brandon having to police the board, I recall seeing some very disturbing posts from 'new users' on here from the left (whether trolls or not) and it was a regular occurrence to see things removed - and rightfully so.

As for getting 'shouted down' quickly, that is subjective. Some on here think they're entitled to post falsehoods and not have them called out. People on here will regularly do that, albeit with more snark and sarcasm than with 'violence' or 'vitriol' as some like you try to portray it. And it's not like this is a Trump fanboard. He's called out daily on here. The idea that this is an echo chamber for one particular viewpoint is a crutch. There are a lot of debates on here beyond R vs. D. It's a lot of R vs. R in many cases, or what defines small govt or a libertarian, etc.

Yet for all its negatives, this place is like a Sunday picnic compared to places like reddit, other fan forums, and certainly other social platforms.

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If anyone wants to know about this particular board, there's a sticky right at the top of the forum. It's worth a read and reread by those who regularly post here.

No viewpoint is silenced simply based on it being left or right, conservative or liberal, popular or unpopular. Beyond that, the rules of posting are available to all to read as well.

Any perceived bias on the board is driven by the users, not by staff in my opinion.

Note: I am not staff, affiliated with staff and my viewpoints represent my own personal observations over 20 years, for better or worse.

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3535446

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Clearly you don't read the annual reports on U.S. extremist violence produced by the FBI, the ADL, CSIS, Cato, and other orgs.

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oh a long-corrupted bureaucracy and some democrat funded NGOs. Should we also read and believe everything from the Southern Poverty Law Center, any NGOs funded by Open Society Foundation?

the left defends and protects its base- including all the criminals and freaks, so your gang banger shootings and your trans mass shootings aren't counted as a risk or extremist or political... so most of the violence in this country is just not counted and the left just wants to repeat some biased stats about 'political' violence that doesn't count violent leftists as "political", but anything a non-leftist ever does is political.

the right is not activist. they don't protest and riot everything like the progressivist activist left does. they never really do anything but vote. the one time some people actually did something, with zero shots fired and zero cops or politicians killed, it was a 5 year freak out show about losing democracy in an insurrection. so, no, I'm not going to read a report from ADL, Cato, or CSIS.

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Calling out Cato for being left biased is absurd.