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You have parroted the falsehood far too many times.

At least admit your "source" is the dead ayatollah and it's from a speech about a decade or so ago. Can you ad least confirm that?

This is not indifferent than the no nuke nonbinding fatwa that their 60% uranium is for most peaceful just leave us alone - nevermind our support of proxy terror groups, or kidnapping and killing of Americans, Israelis and other westerners, and our lobbing of missiles at our friends and foes alike because we didn't get our way and have hurt feelz.

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That's alot of the problem US vs Iran was made even when Trump smoked Soleimani. Iran killed hundreds probably thousands in Iraq Trump evened the score when he took out the guy in charge of that. It was over then but your equating Israeli death with American we have no obligation to kill for Israel. We give them enough to take care of things themselves without our blood.

I'm impressed though finally someone admits that if you attack Israel you attack us. I don't agree with that but I appreciate your honesty.

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Wow, did Milton sell you a jump to false conclusions mat? Israel is an ally, no? When you proclaim death to us and our allies, then methodically target, kidnap, rape, terrorize, maim and more… for decades, I do find it justifiable for us to defend ourselves and our ally.

Way too many folks today want to go back to the Hitler days and pretend they were just sending Jews off to the Promised Land for a quick shower and change of attire.

We attacked Iran because they were a threat to US, as in the US of A.

Of you want to pretend Iran is a peaceful nation, that October 7th never happened, that somehow killing Soleimani evened the score and that was the end of it, then congrats on the Nevil Chamberlain approach to geopolitics.

That's not for me.

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Well, that IS the whole point of NATO, right?

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No, the point of NATO is to check Russia (historically). It is not a standby army for the the United States Forever War in the middle east.

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The ONLY time Article 5 of NATO has been invoked was after 9/11.

Are you saying that RUSSIA attacked the US?

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I noticed you did not bold my "(historically)". Perhaps you wanted to leave that out.

NATO is a defensive alliance. So it tracks that after the US was actually attacked, Article 5 was invoked.

Edit: the validity of all of that was openly ridiculed by Trump in 2015

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Yes it was invoked, but not to combat the Soviet Union. NATO was never formed to check Russia.

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WTF are you talking about? Maybe you can do a quick internet search and I'll let you try again.

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Try what again? Facts are clear. Article 5 was not invoked against 'Russia' or the 'Soviet Union'.

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You said NATO was never formed to check Russia. I mean I gave you another chance and you struck out twice.

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Try 'Soviet Union.'

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OMG it's dumber than I thought. Strike 3.

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It's world events and geography. Easy peezy.

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You can tell yourself that. To the rational it's pure stupidity. Do I remember Lavrov showing up for peace talks wearing a CCCP sweatshirt? Hmmm…..

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And you think CCCP is Russia?

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Russia is the largest and most prominent successor state of the former Soviet Union, which existed from 1922 until its dissolution in 1991. The Soviet Union comprised 15 republics, with Russia being the most significant both in size and influence.

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Dude your semantic argument is so stupid you should be embarrassed.
Go ahead and tell us why Putin has been invading the former republics over the last several years.

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You mean the former Soviet republics?

Answer is power and $.

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You have parroted the falsehood far too many times.

At least admit your "source" is the dead ayatollah and it's from a speech about a decade or so ago. Can you ad least confirm that?

This is not indifferent than the no nuke nonbinding fatwa that their 60% uranium is for most peaceful just leave us alone - nevermind our support of proxy terror groups, or kidnapping and killing of Americans, Israelis and other westerners, and our lobbing of missiles at our friends and foes alike because we didn't get our way and have hurt feelz.

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That's alot of the problem US vs Iran was made even when Trump smoked Soleimani. Iran killed hundreds probably thousands in Iraq Trump evened the score when he took out the guy in charge of that. It was over then but your equating Israeli death with American we have no obligation to kill for Israel. We give them enough to take care of things themselves without our blood.

I'm impressed though finally someone admits that if you attack Israel you attack us. I don't agree with that but I appreciate your honesty.

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Wow, did Milton sell you a jump to false conclusions mat? Israel is an ally, no? When you proclaim death to us and our allies, then methodically target, kidnap, rape, terrorize, maim and more… for decades, I do find it justifiable for us to defend ourselves and our ally.

Way too many folks today want to go back to the Hitler days and pretend they were just sending Jews off to the Promised Land for a quick shower and change of attire.

We attacked Iran because they were a threat to US, as in the US of A.

Of you want to pretend Iran is a peaceful nation, that October 7th never happened, that somehow killing Soleimani evened the score and that was the end of it, then congrats on the Nevil Chamberlain approach to geopolitics.

That's not for me.

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Well, that IS the whole point of NATO, right?

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No, the point of NATO is to check Russia (historically). It is not a standby army for the the United States Forever War in the middle east.

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The ONLY time Article 5 of NATO has been invoked was after 9/11.

Are you saying that RUSSIA attacked the US?

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I noticed you did not bold my "(historically)". Perhaps you wanted to leave that out.

NATO is a defensive alliance. So it tracks that after the US was actually attacked, Article 5 was invoked.

Edit: the validity of all of that was openly ridiculed by Trump in 2015

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Yes it was invoked, but not to combat the Soviet Union. NATO was never formed to check Russia.

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WTF are you talking about? Maybe you can do a quick internet search and I'll let you try again.

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Try what again? Facts are clear. Article 5 was not invoked against 'Russia' or the 'Soviet Union'.

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You said NATO was never formed to check Russia. I mean I gave you another chance and you struck out twice.

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Try 'Soviet Union.'

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OMG it's dumber than I thought. Strike 3.

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It's world events and geography. Easy peezy.

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You can tell yourself that. To the rational it's pure stupidity. Do I remember Lavrov showing up for peace talks wearing a CCCP sweatshirt? Hmmm…..

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And you think CCCP is Russia?

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Russia is the largest and most prominent successor state of the former Soviet Union, which existed from 1922 until its dissolution in 1991. The Soviet Union comprised 15 republics, with Russia being the most significant both in size and influence.

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Dude your semantic argument is so stupid you should be embarrassed.
Go ahead and tell us why Putin has been invading the former republics over the last several years.

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You mean the former Soviet republics?

Answer is power and $.

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Bingo. And one of the main reasons NATO was formed to prevent that aggression. I knew we could get you there with a little help. They're just not NATO members so no article 5. But they are one step away from NATO countries.

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Haleyscomet50 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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You have parroted the falsehood far too many times.

At least admit your "source" is the dead ayatollah and it's from a speech about a decade or so ago. Can you ad least confirm that?

This is not indifferent than the no nuke nonbinding fatwa that their 60% uranium is for most peaceful just leave us alone - nevermind our support of proxy terror groups, or kidnapping and killing of Americans, Israelis and other westerners, and our lobbing of missiles at our friends and foes alike because we didn't get our way and have hurt feelz.

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That's alot of the problem US vs Iran was made even when Trump smoked Soleimani. Iran killed hundreds probably thousands in Iraq Trump evened the score when he took out the guy in charge of that. It was over then but your equating Israeli death with American we have no obligation to kill for Israel. We give them enough to take care of things themselves without our blood.

I'm impressed though finally someone admits that if you attack Israel you attack us. I don't agree with that but I appreciate your honesty.

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Wow, did Milton sell you a jump to false conclusions mat? Israel is an ally, no? When you proclaim death to us and our allies, then methodically target, kidnap, rape, terrorize, maim and more… for decades, I do find it justifiable for us to defend ourselves and our ally.

Way too many folks today want to go back to the Hitler days and pretend they were just sending Jews off to the Promised Land for a quick shower and change of attire.

We attacked Iran because they were a threat to US, as in the US of A.

Of you want to pretend Iran is a peaceful nation, that October 7th never happened, that somehow killing Soleimani evened the score and that was the end of it, then congrats on the Nevil Chamberlain approach to geopolitics.

That's not for me.

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Well, that IS the whole point of NATO, right?

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No, the point of NATO is to check Russia (historically). It is not a standby army for the the United States Forever War in the middle east.

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The ONLY time Article 5 of NATO has been invoked was after 9/11.

Are you saying that RUSSIA attacked the US?

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I noticed you did not bold my "(historically)". Perhaps you wanted to leave that out.

NATO is a defensive alliance. So it tracks that after the US was actually attacked, Article 5 was invoked.

Edit: the validity of all of that was openly ridiculed by Trump in 2015

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Yes it was invoked, but not to combat the Soviet Union. NATO was never formed to check Russia.

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WTF are you talking about? Maybe you can do a quick internet search and I'll let you try again.

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Try what again? Facts are clear. Article 5 was not invoked against 'Russia' or the 'Soviet Union'.

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You said NATO was never formed to check Russia. I mean I gave you another chance and you struck out twice.

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Try 'Soviet Union.'

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OMG it's dumber than I thought. Strike 3.

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It's world events and geography. Easy peezy.

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You can tell yourself that. To the rational it's pure stupidity. Do I remember Lavrov showing up for peace talks wearing a CCCP sweatshirt? Hmmm…..

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And you think CCCP is Russia?

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Russia is the largest and most prominent successor state of the former Soviet Union, which existed from 1922 until its dissolution in 1991. The Soviet Union comprised 15 republics, with Russia being the most significant both in size and influence.

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Dude your semantic argument is so stupid you should be embarrassed.
Go ahead and tell us why Putin has been invading the former republics over the last several years.

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You mean the former Soviet republics?

Answer is power and $.

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Bingo. And one of the main reasons NATO was formed to prevent that aggression. I knew we could get you there with a little help. They're just not NATO members so no article 5. But they are one step away from NATO countries.

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And the CCCP did not invade Ukraine. And Article 5 has never been invoked for the CCCP or Russia. So what's you point? Other than learning some facts?

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flown-the-coop said:

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You have parroted the falsehood far too many times.

At least admit your "source" is the dead ayatollah and it's from a speech about a decade or so ago. Can you ad least confirm that?

This is not indifferent than the no nuke nonbinding fatwa that their 60% uranium is for most peaceful just leave us alone - nevermind our support of proxy terror groups, or kidnapping and killing of Americans, Israelis and other westerners, and our lobbing of missiles at our friends and foes alike because we didn't get our way and have hurt feelz.

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That's alot of the problem US vs Iran was made even when Trump smoked Soleimani. Iran killed hundreds probably thousands in Iraq Trump evened the score when he took out the guy in charge of that. It was over then but your equating Israeli death with American we have no obligation to kill for Israel. We give them enough to take care of things themselves without our blood.

I'm impressed though finally someone admits that if you attack Israel you attack us. I don't agree with that but I appreciate your honesty.

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Wow, did Milton sell you a jump to false conclusions mat? Israel is an ally, no? When you proclaim death to us and our allies, then methodically target, kidnap, rape, terrorize, maim and more… for decades, I do find it justifiable for us to defend ourselves and our ally.

Way too many folks today want to go back to the Hitler days and pretend they were just sending Jews off to the Promised Land for a quick shower and change of attire.

We attacked Iran because they were a threat to US, as in the US of A.

Of you want to pretend Iran is a peaceful nation, that October 7th never happened, that somehow killing Soleimani evened the score and that was the end of it, then congrats on the Nevil Chamberlain approach to geopolitics.

That's not for me.

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Well, that IS the whole point of NATO, right?

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No, the point of NATO is to check Russia (historically). It is not a standby army for the the United States Forever War in the middle east.

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The ONLY time Article 5 of NATO has been invoked was after 9/11.

Are you saying that RUSSIA attacked the US?

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I noticed you did not bold my "(historically)". Perhaps you wanted to leave that out.

NATO is a defensive alliance. So it tracks that after the US was actually attacked, Article 5 was invoked.

Edit: the validity of all of that was openly ridiculed by Trump in 2015

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Yes it was invoked, but not to combat the Soviet Union. NATO was never formed to check Russia.

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WTF are you talking about? Maybe you can do a quick internet search and I'll let you try again.

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Try what again? Facts are clear. Article 5 was not invoked against 'Russia' or the 'Soviet Union'.

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You said NATO was never formed to check Russia. I mean I gave you another chance and you struck out twice.

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Try 'Soviet Union.'

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OMG it's dumber than I thought. Strike 3.

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It's world events and geography. Easy peezy.

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You can tell yourself that. To the rational it's pure stupidity. Do I remember Lavrov showing up for peace talks wearing a CCCP sweatshirt? Hmmm…..

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And you think CCCP is Russia?

Quote:

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Russia is the largest and most prominent successor state of the former Soviet Union, which existed from 1922 until its dissolution in 1991. The Soviet Union comprised 15 republics, with Russia being the most significant both in size and influence.

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Dude your semantic argument is so stupid you should be embarrassed.
Go ahead and tell us why Putin has been invading the former republics over the last several years.

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You mean the former Soviet republics?

Answer is power and $.

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Bingo. And one of the main reasons NATO was formed to prevent that aggression. I knew we could get you there with a little help. They're just not NATO members so no article 5. But they are one step away from NATO countries.

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And the CCCP did not invade Ukraine. And Article 5 has never been invoked for the CCCP or Russia. So what's you point? Other than learning some facts?

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The point is…….you just don't get it.

Yeah. Whatever.

Facts are facts.

BTHO Tarleton. And Iran.

Pahlavi puts Europe on blast.

European Parliament says Iranians “aren’t ready for democracy.”
Cool.
We believe Europeans aren’t ready for lower gas prices. pic.twitter.com/DW1U3QahBo

— Sana Ebrahimi Ledene (@__Injaneb96) April 26, 2026

He's right.

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ROFLMAO, the NPT? 3-5% (LEU) for commercial power and up to 20% (HALEU) for medical research. 60% and higher?

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Membership in the NPT does not set limits on enrichment levels.

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It requires IAEA safeguards that it won't turn into weapons, which pretty much means the 60% would not follow those safeguards.

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They were Americans. Stop with the ridiculous Jew hating.

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"Hating"? I am trying to be specific. When someone says "Hamas killed Americans" of course everyone hates that. When you get specific and say "Hamas killed dual citizen Israeli/Americans living in Israel", that puts it into a slightly clearer perspective

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You've had some dumb takes...

But, this is EPIC LEVEL dumb take...



WTF part of THEY WERE AMERICAN CITIZENS do you not get?

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Again. Just trying to clarify if they were American citizens or dual "Israeli/American" citizens living in Israel. And the point is also moot. Iran did not do 10/7.

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You've mostly argued your points from a point I can respect because I lean towards your side in some cases, but between "Death to America" not meaning "Death to America" and this bolded part here, you have jumped the shark and are apparently considering citizenship on Clown World.

Come on, man.

He's in line for a medal from Iran ministry of Information for the work he's putting in

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He's in line for a medal from Iran ministry of Information for the work he's putting in

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He's exposed himself at this point with those two comments. Mask came off just a bit too much.

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Per Mark Levin, Trump is "the first Jewish POTUS". Per Trump himself, he wants to "make Israel stronger and bigger". So Trump bombing Iran was clearly a selfless act of bravery. It wasn't about him personally trying to gain something. It was Trump coming thru for his people. He is putting others before himself.

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Motto of Iran: "Death to America"

But Trump obviously only did this for BiBi and the Jews.

Makes absolute sense. Sorry I was here believing Trump was trying to prevent my grandchildren from being vaporized by the Ayatollah(s).

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Please calm down

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Ummm...

Iran has been saying DEATH TO AMERICA for 47 years.

Just because you didn't listen to them doesn't mean they did intend for it to happen...

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I have addressed this I do not know how many times. It does not mean what you think it means. It does not mean Iran wants to nuke America. It certainly is not the "motto of Iran" as flown-the-coop claimed

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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gaslighting

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: the act or practice of grossly misleading someone especially for one's own advantage

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: the act or practice of grossly misleading someone especially for one's own advantage

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BMX Bandit said:

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He's in line for a medal from Iran ministry of Information for the work he's putting in

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He's exposed himself at this point with those two comments. Mask came off just a bit too much.

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The dedication to schilling for our enemies is impressive, hopefully he's at least getting paid like Tucker.

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flown-the-coop said:

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Haleyscomet50 said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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You have parroted the falsehood far too many times.

At least admit your "source" is the dead ayatollah and it's from a speech about a decade or so ago. Can you ad least confirm that?

This is not indifferent than the no nuke nonbinding fatwa that their 60% uranium is for most peaceful just leave us alone - nevermind our support of proxy terror groups, or kidnapping and killing of Americans, Israelis and other westerners, and our lobbing of missiles at our friends and foes alike because we didn't get our way and have hurt feelz.

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That's alot of the problem US vs Iran was made even when Trump smoked Soleimani. Iran killed hundreds probably thousands in Iraq Trump evened the score when he took out the guy in charge of that. It was over then but your equating Israeli death with American we have no obligation to kill for Israel. We give them enough to take care of things themselves without our blood.

I'm impressed though finally someone admits that if you attack Israel you attack us. I don't agree with that but I appreciate your honesty.

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Wow, did Milton sell you a jump to false conclusions mat? Israel is an ally, no? When you proclaim death to us and our allies, then methodically target, kidnap, rape, terrorize, maim and more… for decades, I do find it justifiable for us to defend ourselves and our ally.

Way too many folks today want to go back to the Hitler days and pretend they were just sending Jews off to the Promised Land for a quick shower and change of attire.

We attacked Iran because they were a threat to US, as in the US of A.

Of you want to pretend Iran is a peaceful nation, that October 7th never happened, that somehow killing Soleimani evened the score and that was the end of it, then congrats on the Nevil Chamberlain approach to geopolitics.

That's not for me.

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Well, that IS the whole point of NATO, right?

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No, the point of NATO is to check Russia (historically). It is not a standby army for the the United States Forever War in the middle east.

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The ONLY time Article 5 of NATO has been invoked was after 9/11.

Are you saying that RUSSIA attacked the US?

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I noticed you did not bold my "(historically)". Perhaps you wanted to leave that out.

NATO is a defensive alliance. So it tracks that after the US was actually attacked, Article 5 was invoked.

Edit: the validity of all of that was openly ridiculed by Trump in 2015

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Yes it was invoked, but not to combat the Soviet Union. NATO was never formed to check Russia.

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WTF are you talking about? Maybe you can do a quick internet search and I'll let you try again.

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Try what again? Facts are clear. Article 5 was not invoked against 'Russia' or the 'Soviet Union'.

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You said NATO was never formed to check Russia. I mean I gave you another chance and you struck out twice.

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He's doing this weird thing where he interchanges Soviet Union and Russia to make a technical point. It's cringe and weird.

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Schilling for Iran's cause is beyond cringe and weird.

"Iran is the #1 sponsor of terror"
"Iran chants Death to America"
"Iran kills its own people"
"Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map"

We saw similar rhetoric take hold to justify Iraq. Millions of Americans believed ME Muslims hated America for our freedom culture and way of life. This is really why expensive ME quagmire wars continue. Not because of some threat of attack on the US, but because Americans have been conditioned over decades to hate ME Muslims and adore Israel.

You can talk about "exterminating filthy Muslims" all day, but as soon as you call out the imbalance of Israeli influence on US foreign policy, you get labeled a "jew hater".

We are a Christian nation, not a Jewish or Muslim nation. We have hard controls that prevent anything close to Sharia law from ever existing in the US. Woke leftism is a much bigger threat to America than Islam. Particularly as it relates to free speech and questioning authority. Whether its climate change alarmism, covid insanity, gender ideology, or ME war mongering with "nuclear holocaust" propaganda....we should fight the powers that misinform. It comes mostly from the left, but in war time, often from the right too.

MarvZindler said:

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"Iran is the #1 sponsor of terror"
"Iran chants Death to America"
"Iran kills its own people"
"Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map"

We saw similar rhetoric take hold to justify Iraq. Millions of Americans believed ME Muslims hated America for our freedom culture and way of life. This is really why expensive ME quagmire wars continue. Not because of some threat of attack on the US, but because Americans have been conditioned over decades to hate ME Muslims and adore Israel.

You can talk about "exterminating filthy Muslims" all day, but as soon as you call out the imbalance of Israeli influence on US foreign policy, you get labeled a "jew hater".

We are a Christian nation, not a Jewish or Muslim nation. We have hard controls that prevent anything close to Sharia law from ever existing in the US. Woke leftism is a much bigger threat to America than Islam. Particularly as it relates to free speech and questioning authority. Whether its climate change alarmism, covid insanity, gender ideology, or ME war mongering with "nuclear holocaust" propaganda....we should fight the powers that misinform. It comes mostly from the left, but in war time, often from the right too.

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All four of those statements are correct. Agree with your statement that woke leftism is a far bigger threat to us that needs to be tackled.

Both things can be true. I would use a more valid argument against attacking Iran vs quoting true statements and passing it off as rhetoric.

MarvZindler said:

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"Iran is the #1 sponsor of terror"
"Iran chants Death to America"
"Iran kills its own people"
"Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map"

We saw similar rhetoric take hold to justify Iraq. Millions of Americans believed ME Muslims hated America for our freedom culture and way of life. This is really why expensive ME quagmire wars continue. Not because of some threat of attack on the US, but because Americans have been conditioned over decades to hate ME Muslims and adore Israel.

You can talk about "exterminating filthy Muslims" all day, but as soon as you call out the imbalance of Israeli influence on US foreign policy, you get labeled a "jew hater".

We are a Christian nation, not a Jewish or Muslim nation. We have hard controls that prevent anything close to Sharia law from ever existing in the US. Woke leftism is a much bigger threat to America than Islam. Particularly as it relates to free speech and questioning authority. Whether its climate change alarmism, covid insanity, gender ideology, or ME war mongering with "nuclear holocaust" propaganda....we should fight the powers that misinform. It comes mostly from the left, but in war time, often from the right too.

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I agree that we provide a disproportionate level of help to Israel IMO because of the Jewish influence in American politics and wealth.

Rhetoric is the art of effective, persuasive speaking or writing, utilizing techniques to inform, motivate, or influence audiences.

The rhetoric is what is influencing Americans to support war in Iran. Its been reduced to a game. Israel is our ally and the good guys, Muslims are the America hating bad guys. We shouldn't casually initiate wars of choice this flipantly. Our country was founded on much different principles, and has slowly evolved to allow executive branch "excursions" fuled by cultural rhetoric, lobbying influence, and misinformation about immediate threats. The right is scared to call it out for fear of being labeled a "TDS lib" or "Jew Hater".

Its hard to see how Operation AIPAC Fury can possibly age well. So most will have to wait for the trees of war time hysteria to wear off, before the forrest can be seen.

I believe Iran has been, continues to be and will continue to pursue a nuclear weapon and the ability to deliver such to all points across the globe if the current regime is not removed. Hopefully thats clearer.

Count me amongst the group that believes allowing Iran to have a nuclear weapon and an ICBM is not a hoax or misinformation.

Fact: Iran has been building up its military capabilities with plans to use and sell these weapons to attack its enemies and enemies of its friends and enemies of its enemies. The evidence is widely available from ALL sources that this was being done.

Fact: The attempted missile attack on Diego Garcia showed they are increasing the range capabilities of their missiles. Iran previously lied to all about these increased capabilities. The evidence is widely available from all sources.

Fact: Even the shorter range missiles now demonstrate cluster-warhead capabilities. Iran previously lied to all about these increased capabilities. The evidence is widely available from all sources.

Fact: Iran has been increasing enrichment of Uranium well-beyond what is needed for energy and medical / research needs. Iran previously lied to all about these increased capabilities. The evidence is widely available from all sources.

Fact: Increasing from 60% to weapons grade is a relatively short "leap" from a technical and time perspective. Iran previously lied to all about these increased capabilities. The evidence is widely available from all sources.

Despite all this, folks continue to spew misinformation that Iran equates in anyway to Iraq (30 years ago as well).

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Count me amongst the group that believes allowing Iran to have a nuclear weapon and an ICBM is not a hoax or misinformation.

Fact: Iran has been building up its military capabilities with plans to use and sell these weapons to attack its enemies and enemies of its friends and enemies of its enemies. The evidence is widely available from ALL sources that this was being done.

Fact: The attempted missile attack on Diego Garcia showed they are increasing the range capabilities of their missiles. Iran previously lied to all about these increased capabilities. The evidence is widely available from all sources.

Fact: Even the shorter range missiles now demonstrate cluster-warhead capabilities. Iran previously lied to all about these increased capabilities. The evidence is widely available from all sources.

Fact: Iran has been increasing enrichment of Uranium well-beyond what is needed for energy and medical / research needs. Iran previously lied to all about these increased capabilities. The evidence is widely available from all sources.

Fact: Increasing from 60% to weapons grade is a relatively short "leap" from a technical and time perspective. Iran previously lied to all about these increased capabilities. The evidence is widely available from all sources.

Despite all this, folks continue to spew misinformation that Iran equates in anyway to Iraq (30 years ago as well).

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Good. Let's destroy the uranium and then let the Muslims and Jews fight over their little scrap of desert over there and let our soldiers come home.

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Rhetoric is the art of effective, persuasive speaking or writing, utilizing techniques to inform, motivate, or influence audiences.

The rhetoric is what is influencing Americans to support war in Iran. Its been reduced to a game. Israel is our ally and the good guys, Muslims are the America hating bad guys. We shouldn't casually initiate wars of choice this flipantly. Our country was founded on much different principles, and has slowly evolved to allow executive branch "excursions" fuled by cultural rhetoric, lobbying influence, and misinformation about immediate threats. The right is scared to call it out for fear of being labeled a "TDS lib" or "Jew Hater".

Its hard to see how Operation AIPAC Fury can possibly age well. So most will have to wait for the trees of war time hysteria to wear off, before the forrest can be seen.

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Lots of opinion but not a single fact in your post. That's fine, just realize it's not supported by anyone's reality.

Plenty of people on the "right" have most certainly disagreed with Trump on the Iran actions and not all of them are called a TDS lib or anti-Semitic.

However, when one invokes "we have been lied to just like Bush, Powell and Rumsfeld did on Iraq", followed by "Iran has a peaceful nukes only fatwa and 'Death to America' just means leave us alone", then jumping into classifying outrage of killing of innocent people based on their citizenship, place of birth and choice of residence / travel destination, then I think we can begin to apply appropriate the labels of TDS lib and anti-Semite.

What war-time hysteria are you referring to? Are you speaking of people using insane rhetoric like saying BiBi is leading Trump around by his septum piercing and is using Operation AIPAC fury to distract from Epstein? Cause I have seen folks employ that sort of hysteria.

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flown-the-coop said:

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Count me amongst the group that believes allowing Iran to have a nuclear weapon and an ICBM is not a hoax or misinformation.

Fact: Iran has been building up its military capabilities with plans to use and sell these weapons to attack its enemies and enemies of its friends and enemies of its enemies. The evidence is widely available from ALL sources that this was being done.

Fact: The attempted missile attack on Diego Garcia showed they are increasing the range capabilities of their missiles. Iran previously lied to all about these increased capabilities. The evidence is widely available from all sources.

Fact: Even the shorter range missiles now demonstrate cluster-warhead capabilities. Iran previously lied to all about these increased capabilities. The evidence is widely available from all sources.

Fact: Iran has been increasing enrichment of Uranium well-beyond what is needed for energy and medical / research needs. Iran previously lied to all about these increased capabilities. The evidence is widely available from all sources.

Fact: Increasing from 60% to weapons grade is a relatively short "leap" from a technical and time perspective. Iran previously lied to all about these increased capabilities. The evidence is widely available from all sources.

Despite all this, folks continue to spew misinformation that Iran equates in anyway to Iraq (30 years ago as well).

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Good. Let's destroy the uranium and then let the Muslims and Jews fight over their little scrap of desert over there and let our soldiers come home.

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Sweet! Are we rounding up and sending Jews and Muslims in the US back to their scrap of desert so they can join the dust up and our troops (many of whom are Muslim and Jewish) can return home? Seems like a solid, well-reasoned plan. Have you relayed this plan to your congressman / senator?

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Count me amongst the group that believes allowing Iran to have a nuclear weapon and an ICBM is not a hoax or misinformation.

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This sentence, the way its structured, makes no sense.

Everyone here understands you believe Iran was/is an imminent nuke threat. There is simply no evidence or intel to support that claim after Midnight Hammer, other than assertions from the WH.

Trump repeatedly claimed we would have a "nuclear holocaust" if he didn't negotiate with North Korea. Then said we would have another nuke holocaust if he didnt tear up Obama's Iran deal. Then he said we would have another nuke holocaust if he didn't do Midnight Hammer. In the not to distant future, Trump will proclaim we would have had a 4th nuclear holocaust if he didn't do Operation AIPAC Fury. Many of us are skeptical about the validity of these nuke threat claims, others like you aren't. Thats perfectly fine.

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flown-the-coop said:

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Count me amongst the group that believes allowing Iran to have a nuclear weapon and an ICBM is not a hoax or misinformation.

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This sentence, the way its structured, makes no sense.

Everyone here understands you believe Iran was/is an imminent nuke threat. There is simply no evidence or intel to support that claim after Midnight Hammer, other than assertions from the WH.

Trump repeatedly claimed we would have a "nuclear holocaust" if he didn't negotiate with North Korea. Then said we would have another nuke holocaust if he didnt tear up Obama's Iran deal. Then he said we would have another nuke holocaust if he didn't do Midnight Hammer. In the not to distant future, Trump will proclaim we would have had a 4th nuclear holocaust if he didn't do Operation AIPAC Fury. Many of us are skeptical about the validity of these nuke threat claims, others like you aren't. Thats perfectly fine.

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Just updated the sentence you struggled with.

You again can choose to believe the statements of Ayatollahs, mullahs and IGRC commanders that there was no imminent threat whilst disregarding US intelligence on the matter. It's a bizarre move but you also seem to believe Saddam Hussein and his regime was no ongoing threat, despite their actions otherwise (WMD aside if you must).

Have you noticed that the Dems have gone mostly silent on the topic of their nuke ambitions talk? Senator Warner, the stable voice he is, has mentioned it a couple of weeks ago, but more recently Schumer was bloviating on the Senate floor that Trump's actions have done nothing to weaken or detract from Iran's pursuit of a nuclear weapon. So which is it?

I am glad there are those of us who are not influenced those who take Ayathollahs chanting "Death to America" at their word when they make a super serious fatwa and a super logical explanation decades later about that "Death to America" just means stay out of our business (which is killing Jews and ending Israel btw).

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"Iran is the #1 sponsor of terror"
"Iran chants Death to America"
"Iran kills its own people"
"Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map"

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All true statements. As well as the following.


https://www.whitehouse.gov/releases/2026/03/the-iranian-regimes-decades-of-terrorism-against-american-citizens/

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For nearly half a century, the Islamic Republic of Iran the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism has killed and maimed American citizens and service members through its own forces and proxy militias. More Americans have been killed by Iran than any other terrorist regime on Earth.

President Donald J. Trump is doing what Presidents over the last five decades have refused to do eliminate the threat once and for all. By destroying Iran's missiles, annihilating their navy, and ensuring they can never obtain a nuclear weapon, the Trump Administration's bold and decisive action is protecting American lives and advancing American interests.

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The remainder of your post is pure taqiya.

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I believe Iran has been, continues to be and will continue to pursue a nuclear weapon and the ability to deliver such to all points across the globe if the current regime is not removed. Hopefully thats clearer.

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Got it, thanks. So the IRGC must be replaced to eliminate this nuclear threat. We all look forward to your criticism of Trump when he claims he eliminated the nuke threat, while the IRGC remains in power. Or your pivot to accepting that the IRGC remaining in power is no longer a nuke threat.

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flown-the-coop said:

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I believe Iran has been, continues to be and will continue to pursue a nuclear weapon and the ability to deliver such to all points across the globe if the current regime is not removed. Hopefully thats clearer.

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Got it, thanks. So the IRGC must be replaced to eliminate this nuclear threat. We all look forward to your criticism of Trump when he claims he eliminated the nuke threat, while the IRGC remains in power. Or your pivot to accepting that the IRGC remaining in power is no longer a nuke threat.

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Have you seen the wall mural of the dead Iran leaders? Perhaps that should provide perspective of what remains of the IGRC.

If you think the hardcore 12vers who have previously run the country are going to tell Trump they extended the fatwa to limit themselves to mostly peaceful uranium enrichment, no more funding of terror proxies, and no more mass missile / drone programs… and Trump would just say "okay, thanks guys, back to normal"… then there is no reason to expect you will ever believe anything Trump does is acceptable.

How much time have you spent studying the history of the Islamic Republic of Iran, the Ayathollahs, their teachings and beliefs, their actions over 47 years, and the comments made by Trump regarding Iran over the past several decades?

Cause that reality and then the fantasy you construct are very different things.

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flown-the-coop said:

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I believe Iran has been, continues to be and will continue to pursue a nuclear weapon and the ability to deliver such to all points across the globe if the current regime is not removed. Hopefully thats clearer.

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Got it, thanks. So the IRGC must be replaced to eliminate this nuclear threat. We all look forward to your criticism of Trump when he claims he eliminated the nuke threat, while the IRGC remains in power. Or your pivot to accepting that the IRGC remaining in power is no longer a nuke threat.

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don't hold your breath, he'll just disappear from this thread like uranium dust in the wind!

If anyone is looking for the Russian perspective and positions on Iran and how the US should be acting, this is a fantastic video for you!

Former CIA officer John Kiriakou on why Iran is far from the most dangerous threat this country faces.

0:00 Where Did the Intel About Iran Really Come From?
3:58 Why Does Israel Hate Europe?
6:24 Is There an Iranian Nuclear Program?
12:35 Using Heroin as a Weapon
17:49 Should… pic.twitter.com/rUt6eQrM1h

— Tucker Carlson (@TuckerCarlson) April 27, 2026

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MarvZindler said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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I believe Iran has been, continues to be and will continue to pursue a nuclear weapon and the ability to deliver such to all points across the globe if the current regime is not removed. Hopefully thats clearer.

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Got it, thanks. So the IRGC must be replaced to eliminate this nuclear threat. We all look forward to your criticism of Trump when he claims he eliminated the nuke threat, while the IRGC remains in power. Or your pivot to accepting that the IRGC remaining in power is no longer a nuke threat.

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don't hold your breath, he'll just disappear from this thread like uranium dust in the wind!

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And 3 people starred this nonsense?

How about sticking to the topic and not lying about whether I will disappear when you posted right below my response to their post.

Wow…

MarvZindler said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Count me amongst the group that believes allowing Iran to have a nuclear weapon and an ICBM is not a hoax or misinformation.

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This sentence, the way its structured, makes no sense.

Everyone here understands you believe Iran was/is an imminent nuke threat. There is simply no evidence or intel to support that claim after Midnight Hammer, other than assertions from the WH.

Trump repeatedly claimed we would have a "nuclear holocaust" if he didn't negotiate with North Korea. Then said we would have another nuke holocaust if he didnt tear up Obama's Iran deal. Then he said we would have another nuke holocaust if he didn't do Midnight Hammer. In the not to distant future, Trump will proclaim we would have had a 4th nuclear holocaust if he didn't do Operation AIPAC Fury. Many of us are skeptical about the validity of these nuke threat claims, others like you aren't. Thats perfectly fine.

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just answer this simple question then. If enrichment beyond 20% is not needed for any peace time activities , why is Iran continuing to refuse to stop their enrichment program as non negotiable? What is their rationale for such a staunch stance if not to develop a WMD given it is common knowledge that they have uranium at 60%+ enrichment currently?

Had to look up who that Iranian simp is… though I suspect you knew this when posting!

So the waterboarding whistleblower who Obama sent to prison who then advised John Heinz-Kerry on Iran is now saying Iran had the super-serious fatwa!

me thinks you found the honey hole of the pro-Iranian talking points we see so much of.

They are entering a world of hurt.

🚨🇺🇸🇮🇷 Iran is now burning its own oil.

Massive flares and thick black smoke over Khuzestan as blocked exports leave tanks full - they’re forced to torch the excess just to keep operating.

Video: IranIntl pic.twitter.com/czoM5WlpR1

— Terror Alarm (@Terror_Alarm) April 27, 2026

Just the other week, this Merz character was complaining that simply speaking with President Trump was a major burden, but something he had to do because Trump does not trust the other Europeans. And now he won’t even be able to do that anymore. Europe is run by people who have… https://t.co/OT42qeQuDp

— Hans Mahncke (@HansMahncke) April 27, 2026

Honestly, I really do think Nato is over at this point, at least for us.

Back to the political point of this no win war. Just because Trump says we have won like he has several times doesn't make it a win. Short of putting boots on ground this thing is unwinnable Iran will claim a win no matter what. Like the America first crowd said when this was started the only winner is Israel.

Political fall out talking points so far
The lie easily disapproved that Iran killed 42k protestors
Running our military like the idf...kill 160 little girls and no one held accountable
We don't need the strait/open the strait
The Iranian people will rise up.. u can bet if they killed 42k they would have
Our partner in this war takes an ax to Jesus head.
destoyed the strongest republican coalition ever
The point we went to war in the first place after the 12 day war

Republicans will have to run on this in midterms just because maga doesn't hold Trump accountable for his broken campaigns promises doesn't mean the Democrats wont. Trump has been caught inn many lies just because the mainstream media have taken it easy on him doesn't mean it will continue.

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Like the America first crowd said when this was started the only winner is Israel.

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Weird you flex about being wrong so often

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Our partner in this war takes an ax to Jesus head.

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Outraged the acts of one soldier, yet rubs interference for an entire regime that promotes terrorism and rape. Quite interesting