***Iran [Military Action Thread]***[See Staff Note in OP]

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Iran outlines 4-stage deal plan with US - Fars News

First stage focuses on a complete cessation of military actions across all fronts, including Iran, the United States, and the resistance axis

Second stage centers on implementation measures covering four key issues: the Strait of Hormuz and related mechanisms, lifting the blockade, removing oil restrictions and sanctions, and releasing part of Iran's frozen assets

Third stage would begin broader sanctions and nuclear negotiations after objective and verifiable measures have been implemented

Fourth stage involves establishing a monitoring committee to oversee implementation of the agreement and track commitments by all parties

Nonstarter
Raiderjay
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Our 4-stage response:
We - Will - Destroy - You
Vox Clamantis
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Unfortunately, I hate to say it but we need to either nuke them or wave the white flag.

They're dug in like Imperial Japan, they'll fight to the last man behind the last rock. The IRGC is probably the closest foe to the Kamikaze mindset we've faced since WWII.

I don't think we're going to threaten them into any sort of deal that they don't absolutely love, and this limited warfare stuff is going to do nothing but drag on forever.

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Vox Clamantis said:

Unfortunately, I hate to say it but we need to either nuke them or wave the white flag.

They're dug in like Imperial Japan, they'll fight to the last man behind the last rock. The IRGC is probably the closest foe to the Kamikaze mindset we've faced since WWII.

I don't think we're going to threaten them into any sort of deal that they don't absolutely love, and this limited warfare stuff is going to do nothing but drag on forever.




We do not have to nuke them. Destroy highway and rail bridges; destroy ports and airports; destroy fuel supply points for electricity generation. In other words, isolate Iran from the world in the dark. We can do it in a week. Trump apparently doesn't have the resolve to do it. He thinks he can outlast them and get a deal. He's wrong. End this now!
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MagnumLoad
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I think Trump is overly concerned about the general population undergoing severe hardship. The same general population that stood by and celebrated while the radical islamists took over when the Shah left in 1979. There are always some innocents harmed. In every war. They should sleep in the bed they made. Don't start a war if you don't have the resolve to win it.
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Ogre09 said:

Why can't we jailbreak the ships that are trapped in there? Not worth it to have them all make a break for it while we provide protection?


we don't have enough assets to protect hundreds of miles of transit. it's not just the pinch point to worry about.
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MagnumLoad said:

Have to login. No thanks

I get it free. Only way I'd read it.
You can turn off signatures, btw
Kyle Field Shade Chaser
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For a country with limited missile and drone capabilities left, they seem to keep fining more launch weekly.

USA just need to put an end to Iran military for good. Or, get out of there and accept the fact that we did some temporary damage but didnt achieve the full outcome we wanted.

**** or get off the pot already.

We could have ended them already if we never conceded to a ceasefire. But here we are 60 days later flat lining.
flown-the-coop
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Note that they were building capability to launch or threaten to launch 1,000s perhaps 10,000s at a single time and/or target.

The strike after the initial response show this capability has been significantly diminished or destroyed. But they can still launch a few at a time.

The massive drone capability was a main driver of not the main driver leading Trump to take the action a few months ago.

That drone capability would have been strong enough to provide cover for continued pursuit of a nuke.

The immediacy was based on not how quickly they could get a nuke in the air but how close they were to a "drone dome" that would have limited ours or Israel's ability to do anything about it.
Logos Stick
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its almost here...

Phat32
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House just voted to end the war
agcrock2005
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Logos Stick said:

its almost here...



Does that guy just tweet the same thing over and over again every day?
Vox Clamantis
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Phat32 said:

House just voted to end the war

I didn't see that happening.
Deerdude
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Midterms
rgag12
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Raiderjay said:

Our 4-stage response:
We - Will - Destroy - You


* unless you say there's a small percentage chance you'd sign a hypothetical peace deal
Mathguy64
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[There's already a post on this thread about the House vote to restrict military force. If you want to discuss it further, take it to the political thread because that's where the conversation will go. We're keeping this thread to the ongoing military conflict and negotiations to end it. Staff]
Science Denier
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Iran attacks
Nothing happens to them

Guess what? They think you are weak. What does this mean?
1. They won't stop
2. SOH won't be open
3. We look stupid

Bomb the **** out of them. WTF are we waiting for?
LOL OLD
Logos Stick
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agcrock2005 said:

Logos Stick said:

its almost here...



Does that guy just tweet the same thing over and over again every day?


I think they have spun up an AI agent and it's doing the tweeting.
flown-the-coop
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AI vomited the grammar unless it's the miss teen chick writing it.

Not even sure why that stuff gets posted. Makes this more of a random **** people posted about Iran thread.

Regarding actual action, seems everyone is somewhat okay with the status quo. The Trump-Miranda Devine podcast interview sounded like a good one if it's not been posted.

That's real information from Trump. Though he says what he wants to and that may not always be the truth as he likes to test the misinformation waters when it comes to Iran.
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Kyle Field Shade Chaser said:

For a country with limited missile and drone capabilities left, they seem to keep fining more launch weekly.

USA just need to put an end to Iran military for good. Or, get out of there and accept the fact that we did some temporary damage but didnt achieve the full outcome we wanted.

**** or get off the pot already.

We could have ended them already if we never conceded to a ceasefire. But here we are 60 days later flat lining.
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I'm not sure bombing the hell out on them resolves them easing up the strangle hold they have on the straights. We have to stay a long time and fight it out trying to open it up or keep the blockage enforced for a long time. Seems like a stalemate . Unless there is something we could do that no one has mentioned
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The first time they spit on an american or said , " death to America ", that did it for me. Why are we still talking about this? After 40+ years we should be over there fishing in "Lake Iran".
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MouthBQ98 said:

Solution: free for all on Iran. Next 90 days. Anyone who want to get in some shots or take some territory, have it. USA will bring the bombs, but you're on your own for planes and aviation fuel.

See what Iran thinks about that?

I like it!
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StonewallAggieDEFENSE said:

The first time they spit on an american or said , " death to America ", that did it for me. Why are we still talking about this? After 40+ years we should be over there fishing in "Lake Iran".

Those of us who lived through the hostage crisis in 1979 know the truth.

We should bomb that entire country into rubble and let the bordering countries take what they want.
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Timberwolf said:

I'm not sure bombing the hell out on them resolves them easing up the strangle hold they have on the straights.

Sure it does.

Bomb them enough, and they can't physically enforce anything.

If we had never agreed to a ceasefire and kept up the bombing, traffic would be flowing through the strait like goose s*** through a tin horn right now
Touchless
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I'm surprised Trump hasn't responded aggressively at all. I know this will sound stupid, but I'm starting to kind of wonder if he's trying to show restraint to prove he's negotiating in good faith and not going to escalate further.

Just not sure why we haven't initiated anything after Iran's recent volley.
Timberwolf
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I just have to disagree thinking bombing them viciously is the answer. If you really want to secure the SOH you need ground troops to really take it. An invasion force to take all the land that overlooks those waters. Not happening.
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Put the blockade back in place. Escort tankers out. Make the IRGC face the music at home with triple digit inflation and no revenue coming in. Oil will be 95 for six month but inflation adjusted that's really not that expensive historically
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Touchless said:

I'm surprised Trump hasn't responded aggressively at all. I know this will sound stupid, but I'm starting to kind of wonder if he's trying to show restraint to prove he's negotiating in good faith and not going to escalate further.

Just not sure why we haven't initiated anything after Iran's recent volley.


He's in a good position if you set aside how the war effort is supposedly polling for the November elections and the price of oil.. which isn't a small issue. Ground troops aren't committed so reduced risk of casualties. SOH in his control, Iran leadership has pissed off their neighbors, and we can stay as long as necessary to bleed them dry.

The biggest problem I see in negotiating an end to this is the Islam leadership if fine eating dirt and rocks for a hundred years to save face (ie not surrender). They couldn't care less how hard this is on their people.
Logos Stick
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4 said:

StonewallAggieDEFENSE said:

The first time they spit on an american or said , " death to America ", that did it for me. Why are we still talking about this? After 40+ years we should be over there fishing in "Lake Iran".

Those of us who lived through the hostage crisis in 1979 know the truth.

We should bomb that entire country into rubble and let the bordering countries take what they want.


Good idea. Tell Iraq, Kuwait, Turkey and Pakistan: Iran belongs to you now. Get your armies ready and we'll provide intelligence, logistics support and air combat support. You guys will divide it up and annex it after you're done killing every single Islamic leader and IRGC member.
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Logos Stick said:

4 said:

StonewallAggieDEFENSE said:

The first time they spit on an american or said , " death to America ", that did it for me. Why are we still talking about this? After 40+ years we should be over there fishing in "Lake Iran".

Those of us who lived through the hostage crisis in 1979 know the truth.

We should bomb that entire country into rubble and let the bordering countries take what they want.


Good idea. Tell Iraq, Kuwait, Turkey and Pakistan: Iran belongs to you now. Get your armies ready and we'll provide intelligence, logistics support and air combat support. You guys will divide it up and annex it after you're done killing every single Islamic leader and IRGC member.

I'm sure that the dividing of Iran will go smoothly and not lead to never ending wars between these countries and Iranians trying to get their country back. Who wouldn't want to claim endless expanses of barren Iranian soil while one of the other conquering countries gets all the oilfields?
LMCane
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well this sounds encouraging!

if you are a socalist / communist / islamist or member of the IRGC.



at this point one has to ask what information Trump is being shown because it sure seems like the F16 is better informed about what is REALLY going on than the White House.
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Its turning into what everyone knew it would. Trump neds to have one more massive bombing attack. Then call victory. Unless we are going ti invade there will be no regime change.
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