What if it's 100% confirmed the 2020 election was stolen?

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Silent For Too Long
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It's amazing to me we still have people who think the 2020 election was legitimate.

I'm old enough to remember Marxist Mouthpiece John Oliver running a whole expose on how easy Dominion was to hack a year before the election.

We 100% know for a fact they blatantly lied about Hunter's laptop.

And the statistically insane return the Democrats got on mail in voting, something every single election expert on earth can tell you is intrinsically impossible to secure.

Some people just like being told what to think.

BusterAg
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DeschutesAg said:



The failure by a poll manager to sign some of the daily ballot machine tally sheets is a procedural issue. It has no materiality in regard to the paper ballots being legal. Georgia election law didn't even list it as a required procedure.

This is incorrect, BTW.

https://sos.ga.gov/sites/default/files/2024-07/petition_fervier.pdf

Did ChatGPT write that response for you? Where did you get your information that signing the tapes isn't required?
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One thing I'll say about 2020 was that the Dems got what they deserved and more. Because they stole it and installed an Obama Puppet that was a Vegetable, backed up by a DEI moron, they had to own the disastrous rollout of the Covid Vaccine. Once that happened, along with the Open Border Policy, Biden was toast. But in the truest of Wile E. Coyote schemes, they tried to foist DEI Moron upon us, as well as to kill Trump. While the latter was miraculously unsuccessful, the former was fairly easy to see being a disaster for the Dems. And because of 2020's election, the cheat was impossible to duplicate with so many GOP eyes watching this time.

So now, while investigating 2020 is still important to insure this can hopefully not happen again, the ultimate irony is that Trump was even more prepared and ready to run a Presidency more efficiently and effectively than in his first term, when the GOPe infiltrated his Cabinet with ease and tried to sabotage from within to stay in good standing with their Leftist doms. What the Dems have now is well earned...and should end up being just the opener to their real horror movie, a conservative that can actually debate anyone without even a hint of worry or concern from any MSM hack, Hollywood loser, or libtard running as a candidate. Vance doesn't have the baggage that Trump has--their complaints they sell is that "he's weird" or that "he's a monster for impregnating his wife". As an aside, all of this while selling everyone on the "New Masculinity" of Doug Emhoff, who assaulted women, and Tim Walz, who is a complete weirdo that is as closeted as a gay man can possibly be still in 2026.

Trump might be their Hitler, but Vance is gonna be their real nightmare.
aggiehawg
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Some people just like being told what to think.

It is much easier than actually employing critical thinking. And after watching the court proceedings in many Trump election cases, that also applies to judges.
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Silent For Too Long said:

It's amazing to me we still have people who think the 2020 election was legitimate.


Most of the people that have actually looked into this don't believe it, but the ends justify the means.

Cheating to help keep Trump out of office is completely legitimate to some people, because Orange Man Bad is more important to some people than the rule of law. This is so short-sighted, as the Rule of Law is the only thing that facilitates the peaceful transfer of power from one party to the next. Breaking down the Rule of Law is chipping away at the security of our liberties, and should absolutely be stopped.
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DeschutesAg said:



The votes were legal. The Republican Secretary of State in Georgia has repeatedly explained this.
They can't even accurately show where the votes came from. To include "mail in" ballots that were never folded.
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DeschutesAg said:



The votes were legal. The Republican Secretary of State in Georgia has repeatedly explained this.

Oh, well then, by all means, it MUST be true.

Nothing to see here. Move along.
aggiehawg
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Ellis Wyatt said:

DeschutesAg said:



The votes were legal. The Republican Secretary of State in Georgia has repeatedly explained this.

They can't even accurately show where the votes came from. To include "mail in" ballots that were never folded.

And who created and sent out every single mail in ballot in Georgia? Runbeck.
DeschutesAg
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BusterAg: The pdf citation you posted is from the SecState's procedural rules, is it not? A procedural rule sometimes reflects a requirement codified in Georgia state law. Other times it is just be a procedural step added by the SecState's election office but not required by state law. The Georgia SecState, a Republican, Raffensperger, has repeatedly said signing the daily machine ballot printout tallies was the latter in 2020.

Regardless, the clerical procedural signature mistake was immaterial to the results of the state of Georgia's November 2020 election results, because the two county by county recounts confirmed the initial tallies were correct.
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DeschutesAg said:

BusterAg: The pdf citation you posted is from the SecState's procedural rules, is it not? A procedural rule sometimes reflects a requirement codified in Georgia state law. Other times it is just be a procedural step added by the SecState's election office but not required by state law. The Georgia SecState, a Republican, Raffensperger, has repeatedly said signing the daily machine ballot printout tallies was the latter in 2020.

Regardless, the clerical procedural signature mistake was immaterial to the results of the state of Georgia's November 2020 election results, because the two county by county recounts confirmed the initial tallies were correct.

Is it your contention that following the officially published Georgia rules and procedures is not legally required in some cases?

In what cases would that be? There may be exceptions, but what are those exceptions. Because, generally, state agencies in Georgia are required to strictly follow Georgia's publicly published Rules and Procedures.

I don't care what Raffensperger said, he was the one overseeing the blatant disregard for Georgia state law, so his opinion, which is exactly what Raffensperger is providing, a legal opinion, holds very little water.

How does Reffensperger defend his position that the regulations I linked to are not required to be followed by the state agencies by law? Because, generally, all of these rules require strict compliance by state agencies per the Georgia APA.
aggiehawg
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You want to talk about Raffensperger?

Okay, let's talk about Raffensberger and his sidekick, Gabe Sterling.

Where to start? Sterling. he was an employee of the Sec of State's office but quit before 2020 to create his own consulting firm and then came back on to the SecofState's office as a private contractor at a vastly inflated compensation than his old salary. PLUS no restrictions on to who else he could provide services and be paid for. Instead of just being a consultant, he was very hands on and election supervisors were still instructed to contact him with their questions and issues. The roll out for Dominion during the 2020 primaries was pretty much a disaster which was not that unexpected as it was a completely new system to the workers. Point being, there was time to address those problems before general election. Did that happen? Did Sterling work with them to help fix the issues? No, several of them testified he ghosted them and wouldn't respond directly.

Here's the funny thing about Sterling being an independent contractor during the 2020 election and 2021 runoff. He flat out refused to respond nor cooperate with open records requests. So file open records request on Sec of State's office and for a lot of things they pointed to Sterling as having that information. Direct the requests to Sterling and he tells them to pound sand because his company was a private entity. Sterlng eventually returned to the Sec of State's office as an employee but his consulting records were still off limits (assuming they even still existed.) Who had to approve every step of how that arrangement came about? Your boy, Raffensperger.

Further, it was Raffensperge who contracted with Runbeck to handle all of the Georgia mail in ballots, outsourcing yet another critical piece of election operations to a private entity also immune to open records request. Who brought in Stacey Abrams' outfit, Happy Faces to fill election worker slots and volunteer workers (counting)? Fulton County with Raffensperger's assent.

Now, in the runup to the 2022 midterms, spring of that year, the Dem Secs of State held an invitation-only symposium at the Spy Museum in DC. Purpose was to strategize how the 2022 midterms would go.Dem Secs of State and their upper staff, some voting system company execs were on the invitation. No Republicans invited, except for one. Raffensperger. Wait, take that back, Bill Gates, (now former) election supervisor im Maricopa County was also on the invite list. Unsure he attended as he was having his own problems at the time and had to resign.

Now how was Raffensperger rewarded? Both he and Kemp won reelection by ridiculous margins in the 2022 general.

Still think your boy Raffensperger s*** doesn't stink?
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Silent For Too Long said:

It's amazing to me we still have people who think the 2020 election was legitimate.

I'm old enough to remember Marxist Mouthpiece John Oliver running a whole expose on how easy Dominion was to hack a year before the election.

We 100% know for a fact they blatantly lied about Hunter's laptop.

And the statistically insane return the Democrats got on mail in voting, something every single election expert on earth can tell you is intrinsically impossible to secure.

Some people just like being told what to think.



It's far easier to fool people than it is to convince them they were fooled.
ETFan
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Stole 2020 but not 24? That's pretty stupid.
DeschutesAg
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aggiehawg said:

Nevada. BTW the lawyer testifying is Jesse Binnall. He was part of Powell's team but broke off to focus on other states. He is quite good but no matter how much proof he had, when the judge refuses to even hear any of it, not much else can be done certainly not under such times constraints under election laws.




If you have any prior experience identifying and investigating voter fraud, the numbers claimed by Mr. Binnall should give you serious pause. The tweets says he alleged 47,000+ instances of voter fraud (a felony) occurred in Nevada's November 2020 election. If true, it would mean more voter fraud felonies were committed in one single election in the state of Nevada than the total number of voter fraud felonies committed in the entire USA in every POTUS election from 1990 through 2025.

In other words, Binnall made quite a claim.

Later, he apparently expanded on it. He reportedly said 130,000 instances of unique voter fraud had been committed in Nevada's November 2020 election.

A lower court and then the Nevada Supreme Court examined and then rejected those claims.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/16/technology/the-election-is-over-but-ron-johnson-keeps-promoting-false-claims-of-fraud.html

Double voting is a crime that is easy to commit, yet almost impossible to not get caught.
Because we have voter registration election databases. Prosecution is easy. The consequences are serious. The rewards for doing it are nonexistent, unless you view room and board in a county jail or state prison to be a reward. The voter's second ballot gets flagged and set aside. The second ballot doesn't get counted because our voter registration election database shows us that individual already voted once.
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ETFan said:

Stole 2020 but not 24? That's pretty stupid.


There was a lot of lawsuits before 2024 election even happened. The Republicans wised up and filed lots of lawsuits..Collected voter rolls, some states cleaned up their voter rolls, and blocked changes to voting rules that broke state laws, etc..
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aggiehawg said:

Nevada. BTW the lawyer testifying is Jesse Binnall. He was part of Powell's team but broke off to focus on other states. He is quite good but no matter how much proof he had, when the judge refuses to even hear any of it, not much else can be done certainly not under such times constraints under election laws.


My recollection, iirc, is this case was heard. Binnall's team was allowed to present evidence, their expert witnesses appeared in court, gave sworn testimony, and were cross-examined by opposing counsel. The court listened to the testimony and examined the evidence Binnall's team presented. The case was decided, and the court's decision was made. Binnall's team lost; their allegations were rejected. The lower court's decision was appealed, Nevada's highest court took up the appeal, and ruled on it. They confirmed the lower court's decision.

I agree with your statement about time constraints being a factor in most post-election lawsuits. However, there were no time constraints on subsequent investigations by Nevada authorities and county prosecutors into 130,000 alleged voter fraud felonies. Yet I'm not aware of Nevada authorities finding even 130 such crimes from the November 2020 election, much less 130,000.
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The rewards for doing it are nonexistent, unless you view room and board in a county jail or state prison to be a reward. The voter's second ballot gets flagged and set aside. The second ballot doesn't get counted because our voter registration election database shows us that individual already voted once.

Interesting that you would bring that up.

Arizona, 2022 midterms. The Republicans were told to vote in person on election day. Backtrack a bit, for some really dumb reason Maricopa County does NOT have precinct based voting, it is countywide. So in theory if a voter pulls up to a voting location, sees a long line, they can go elsewhere. but ONLY if they DO NOT check in.

So what happened election day in 2022? Very widespread tabulator failures (later determined to be partly a ballot image size problem from the BMDs) and that stopped the entire procedure. Normal procedure: check in, get your code, go to BMD make selections, BMD spits out a ballot with (allegedly) the voter's choices, voter takes that to the tabulator and submits it. Tabulator either accepts or rejects that ballot. If accepted, voter is done and goes on their way.

But if rejected? Couple of ways that could go. Voter will be instructed to try to run through the tabulator multiple times. If that fails, voter has the choice to go to another BMD and make their selections again and try the tabulator again. Meanwhile, people are arriving and being checked in waiting for their turn. They can get to the BMDs but cannot get the tabulators at accept their votes. More and more delays, lines get longer and longer. Many people just leave before even getting to check in.

Now for people checked in, making their selections but get blocked by the tabulators from completing the voting process there is one last alternative "Drop Box #3." What is that? Another slot on the side of the tabulator. That slot is supposed to lead to a segregated section of the tabulator machine from the ballots already successfully counted. That's the narrative. How are Drop Box #3 uncounted ballots kept separate from the counted ballots? A piece of cardboard. If the cardboard slips out of its spot, the ballots are commingled with no way to tell which is which. (Which did happen.)

Mid afternoon on election day Maricopa Supervisors held a presser to inform people of the problems at the polls. (I watched it.) My jaw hit the floor when they told voters to go to other polling locations and did not tell them that if they were already checked in, they had to first go to that counter and have the poll worker reverse their check in before leaving. Not that it would have done a lot to help because the poll workers were not trained on how to cancel a check in so the voter could vote at another location. How many voters, who had already wasted hours trying to vote, got out of line and left only to be turned away because they had already voted? Who knows?

Here's kicker, the majority of these tabulator problems were in heavily Republican areas. There was even a Republican heat map in the Maricopa County election headquarters.
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aggiehawg said:

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The rewards for doing it are nonexistent, unless you view room and board in a county jail or state prison to be a reward. The voter's second ballot gets flagged and set aside. The second ballot doesn't get counted because our voter registration election database shows us that individual already voted once.

Interesting that you would bring that up.

Arizona, 2022 midterms. The Republicans were told to vote in person on election day. Backtrack a bit, for some really dumb reason Maricopa County does NOT have precinct based voting, it is countywide. So in theory if a voter pulls up to a voting location, sees a long line, they can go elsewhere. but ONLY if they DO NOT check in.

So what happened election day in 2022? Very widespread tabulator failures (later determined to be partly a ballot image size problem from the BMDs) and that stopped the entire procedure. Normal procedure: check in, get your code, go to BMD make selections, BMD spits out a ballot with (allegedly) the voter's choices, voter takes that to the tabulator and submits it. Tabulator either accepts or rejects that ballot. If accepted, voter is done and goes on their way.

But if rejected? Couple of ways that could go. Voter will be instructed to try to run through the tabulator multiple times. If that fails, voter has the choice to go to another BMD and make their selections again and try the tabulator again. Meanwhile, people are arriving and being checked in waiting for their turn. They can get to the BMDs but cannot get the tabulators at accept their votes. More and more delays, lines get longer and longer. Many people just leave before even getting to check in.

Now for people checked in, making their selections but get blocked by the tabulators from completing the voting process there is one last alternative "Drop Box #3." What is that? Another slot on the side of the tabulator. That slot is supposed to lead to a segregated section of the tabulator machine from the ballots already successfully counted. That's the narrative. How are Drop Box #3 uncounted ballots kept separate from the counted ballots? A piece of cardboard. If the cardboard slips out of its spot, the ballots are commingled with no way to tell which is which. (Which did happen.)

Mid afternoon on election day Maricopa Supervisors held a presser to inform people of the problems at the polls. (I watched it.) My jaw hit the floor when they told voters to go to other polling locations and did not tell them that if they were already checked in, they had to first go to that counter and have the poll worker reverse their check in before leaving. Not that it would have done a lot to help because the poll workers were not trained on how to cancel a check in so the voter could vote at another location. How many voters, who had already wasted hours trying to vote, got out of line and left only to be turned away because they had already voted? Who knows?

Here's kicker, the majority of these tabulator problems were in heavily Republican areas. There was even a Republican heat map in the Maricopa County election headquarters.


I'm somewhat familiar with that 2022 election day in AZ. However I would have to go back and refresh my memory on all the details. Maricopa County is run by Rs, so the glitches that occurred that day were unfortunate, I agree. Iirc, numerous lawsuits were filed by Kari Lake and others. They mostly lost in lower courts and in all of their appeals. Lake imo was her own worst enemy in her two unsuccessful tries to be elected to high office. First she intentionally and very directly insulted all the McCain Republicans. How dumb was that? Then she made numerous outlandish claims alleging election fraud which even many Republicans in the state rejected as delusional and completely disconnected from reality and objective facts.
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The fact that you can't even conjure up in your head why people might cheat on elections is truly bizarre.

The United States government controls trillions of dollars in spending. This isn't super complicated buddy.

Why does the DNC start kicking and screaming like a toddler every time Voter ID is purposed, despite overwhelming popular support across all demographics?

Its because they know they cheat. It's really quite simple.
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I'm somewhat familiar with that 2022 election day in AZ. However I would have to go back and refresh my memory on all the details. Maricopa County is run by Rs, so the glitches that occurred that day were unfortunate, I agree. Iirc, numerous lawsuits were filed by Kari Lake and others. They mostly lost in lower courts and in all of their appeals. Lake imo was her own worst enemy in her two unsuccessful tries to be elected to high office. First she intentionally and very directly insulted all the McCain Republicans. How dumb was that? Then she made numerous outlandish claims alleging election fraud which even many Republicans in the state rejected as delusional and completely disconnected from reality and objective facts.

Apparently you are not familiar with 2022 midterms in AZ. Nor did you bother to watch the Lake hearings (not trials hearings) as they were severely time restricted down to the minute per side, in fact.

There were at least two county witnesses who perjured themselves in obvious fashion. One of those was appearing by zoom despite being ina building across the street and actually reading his testimony off of a computer screen, off camera but where his eyes were focused and moving as he read. Plaintiff's counsel even called him out about that but the judge just ignored it. That defense expert actually corroborated Lake's expert, Clay Parikh's testimony but used computerese to confuse the judge and it worked.. Judge just flat out was out of his element and could not comprehend what the testimony was.

The ballot image size versus the actual ballot size was human intervention. Not an oops had to be coded that way in a ballot definition pdf file that was on the EMS (server). Clay was given around 15-35 ballots to examine along side a county expert. Clay looks at 2 ballots and pulls out a ruler. County expert was bumfuzzled why he needed a ruler. Just from Clay's seconds long visual inspection, he immediately knew the ballot image size was incorrect for the size of the ballot paper. That throws off the parameters of the tabulator programming and REJECTED!

How does that happen? Ballot image size is in the pdf for each ballot definition file. There are 12,000 of those for the AZ midterms.

Now, dispute one thing I just posted here. You can't. I'd wager you don't even know many of the terms I have used. (H/T We Fixed the Keg for assistance.)
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Clay looks at 2 ballots and pulls out a ruler. County expert was bumfuzzled why he needed a ruler. Just from Clay's seconds long visual inspection, he immediately knew the ballot image size was incorrect for the size of the ballot paper. That throws off the parameters of the tabulator programming and REJECTED!

Just had a flashback to that Runbeck marketing video and the section covering the amount of time spent reviewing and approving ballot/paper stock, QR codes, layout, envelops, etc. How critical and dependent the whole process was around weight and specs required to even pass through the process / automation.

What a complete load of *****

The most basic questions still remain unanswered. Election officers chose Runbeck at a PREMIUM cost to taxpayers. The issues they faced were not supposed to be possible based on the process/safeguards Runbeck was supposed to follow. Why has there not been a full and transparent investigation of Runbeck and their failures?
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The most basic questions still remain unanswered. Election officers chose Runbeck at a PREMIUM cost to taxpayers. The issues they faced were not supposed to be possible based on the process/safeguards Runbeck was supposed to follow. Why has there not been a full and transparent investigation of Runbeck and their failures?

So far, Runbeck has evaded open records request since they are a private company with powerful friends protecting them from investigation in AZ.

BUT how about a federal grand jury in Georgia? Runbeck did business there too in 2020. Fingers and toes crossed something in those pallets that goes back to Runbeck.
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BusterAg said:

coupland boy said:

There will be hearings. Sound bites where people are "owned" or "destroyed".

Then nothing.

Would you consider the Fulton County top election official being fired as "nothing"?

How about a fine against Fulton County by the State of Georgia in the $millions?

That is short of what really needs to happen, but would you consider that to be "Nothing"?


Anything short of a long prison sentence is relatively nothing. The top official that lost his/her job can get go fund me proceeds or a job from some liberal somewhere that sees this person as having taken one for their team. Georgia gets fined millions? That's endless tax payer money. The party that did this doesn't care like you or me.

Im not a full on MAGA trump can do no wrong kind of guy. But if what we beleive happened really happened, and I do in my heart, it needs to be disincentivized to the greatest degree possible.
BusterAg
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You haven't answered my question about WHY the rules related to the tabulator tapes being signed, sealed, and two separate witnesses signing as well, were optional rules that did not need to be followed based on the Georgia Administrators Procedures Act.

It is a preposterous legal position to argue that something that not only required a signature, but two separate witnesses of the signature, just really wansn't important enough that it had to be followed. There are exceptions to when an agency doesn't have to follow the official rules and procedures, but I am not sure which exception that the corrupt GA election office is relying on to make that argument. I would be interested in your answer.
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How about a lawsuit for not providing the services paid for at great taxpayer expense?

Something needs to be amended to FOIA. I have been involved with the government at multiple companies because of my security clearance. With all the things a private company has to give government access to in order to do business with them, how the hell a company is allowed to hide from FOIA requests regarding those interactions is plain stupid.

That wall needs to be knocked down because what we are seeing, especially in the case of GA, things are being moved to the private sector to shield whatever is really going on under the guise of "private company."

..... same with signal and non-government email servers/addresses.

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Deep down you all know the election was fair, right? Right?
aggiehawg
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FOIA is federal and does not apply to state and local agencies. State statutes are similar are just termed open records laws.

But I agree that private entities should have to agree with open records laws as part of the terms of their state contracts.
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Adults are talking.

We all know why so many safeguards were ignored. Same reason they don't want voter IDs required.
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aggiehawg said:

FOIA is federal and does not apply to state and local agencies. State statutes are similar are just termed open records laws.

But I agree that private entities should have to agree with open records laws as part of the terms of their state contracts.

Not even sure how this is a question. Hell, doing business under GSA contracts gives the government control over pricing. See what happens if/when they find out they are charged for services private companies get free. Verizon found out with a +$93M penalty.

You are not forced to do business with the US Govt, but if you do, you don't get to "hide things."
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Ellis Wyatt said:

Adults are talking.

We all know why so many safeguards were ignored. Same reason they don't want voter IDs required.

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coupland boy said:

BusterAg said:

coupland boy said:

There will be hearings. Sound bites where people are "owned" or "destroyed".

Then nothing.

Would you consider the Fulton County top election official being fired as "nothing"?

How about a fine against Fulton County by the State of Georgia in the $millions?

That is short of what really needs to happen, but would you consider that to be "Nothing"?


Anything short of a long prison sentence is relatively nothing. The top official that lost his/her job can get go fund me proceeds or a job from some liberal somewhere that sees this person as having taken one for their team. Georgia gets fined millions? That's endless tax payer money. The party that did this doesn't care like you or me.

Im not a full on MAGA trump can do no wrong kind of guy. But if what we beleive happened really happened, and I do in my heart, it needs to be disincentivized to the greatest degree possible.

Passing voting security legislation with real teeth will be a huge price to pay by the Dems for this fraud. Much worse than sending some lacky to prison for taking the fall in exchange for a few $million under the table.

Without the ability to cheat, the Dems will lose A LOT more elections.

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aggiehawg said:

Now, dispute one thing I just posted here. You can't. I'd wager you don't even know many of the terms I have used.
I haven't seen any terms in your posts which were unfamiliar to me. In this thread, I explained the Georgia and Arizona 2020 election stuff, and then I explained the Nevada 2020 election stuff. Hopefully it helped people who haven't worked in election offices understand each of those elections better.

Regarding the Arizona November 2022 election, up above I already stated: Rs ran Maricopa County and the MC part of that state election, and I agreed with you the glitches that election day in MC were indeed unfortunate. If you're suggesting Kari Lake was intentionally undermined by her own party's election officials, that might possibly be true. I have no information on that, other than it is well known Kari made many enemies inside the AZ GOP party organization and the AZ GOP voter base.
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DeschutesAg said:

aggiehawg said:

Now, dispute one thing I just posted here. You can't. I'd wager you don't even know many of the terms I have used.

I haven't seen any terms in your posts which were unfamiliar to me. In this thread, I explained the Georgia and Arizona 2020 election stuff, and then I explained the Nevada 2020 election stuff. Hopefully it helped people who haven't worked in election offices understand each of those elections better.

Regarding the Arizona November 2022 election, up above I already stated: Rs ran Maricopa County and the MC part of that state election, and I agreed with you the glitches that election day in MC were indeed unfortunate. If you're suggesting Kari Lake was intentionally undermined by her own party's election officials, that might possibly be true. I have no information on that, other than it is well known Kari made many enemies inside the AZ GOP party organization and the AZ GOP voter base.

You mean the McCain Machine. Yes she did. The McCain Machine has too much political power within that state. GOP candidates have to bend the knee to them. Which also explains why the GOP elected state officials are mostly trash.
 
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