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All the debate here is pointless if one side refuses to also address the question: what if it's 100% proven President Trump did NOT win?

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Go for it. Prove he lost.

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That is pretty easy, tbph.

1. The paper ballots were recounted multiple times. Machine counts of ballots were verified by hand recounts. This is a big one, because it eliminates the whole "the ballot counting machines were rigged" accusation. The ballot counting machines were not rigged.

2. The 2020 election was the most-audited and the most-investigated election in U.S. history. By far. Every conceivable avenue to cheat was investigated and checked. Nothing material that would change the electoral college results was found.

3. At the state and county level, numerous anti-fraud measures and audit procedures are in place to make election fraud and voter fraud difficult to do and easy to detect.

Thanks to the invention of databases and computers, robust fraud detection measures and audit procedures were developed and have been used since the 1980s. Security cameras and electronic security access cardkeys record and document physical access, ballot counting, etc.

It is no mystery why Trump lost in 2020 and won in 2024. Swing votes went against him in 2020. Swing votes went against Harris in 2024.

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1. The paper ballots were recounted multiple times. Machine counts of ballots were verified by hand recounts. This is a big one, because it eliminates the whole "the ballot counting machines were rigged" accusation. The ballot counting machines were not rigged.

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Lie. 315,000 ballots were invalid and not legally able to be included in the count. No chain of custody, no tabulator tapes to corroborate that.

Machine and hand recounts did not match until additional ballots were added in to make them match. That is undisputed in Fulton County. Even election officials and their lawyers in court have said that.

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3. At the state and county level, numerous anti-fraud measures and audit procedures are in place to make election fraud and voter fraud difficult to do and easy to detect.

Thanks to the invention of databases and computers, robust fraud detection measures and audit procedures were developed and have been used since the 1980s. Security cameras and electronic security access cardkeys record and document physical access, ballot counting, etc.

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Another lie. They are not auditable, even the inventor of the RLA testified they were not auditable. Another expert hacked a Dominion machine just feet away from a federal judge in under ten minutes...with nothing more than a ballpoint pen. That was in GA.

In Maricopa County, the systems logs were deliberately overwritten by a specifically written script to delete who had accessed the EMS between the day of the election and just before they were forced to turn over those materials under court orders.

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1. The paper ballots were recounted multiple times. Machine counts of ballots were verified by hand recounts. This is a big one, because it eliminates the whole "the ballot counting machines were rigged" accusation. The ballot counting machines were not rigged.

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Lie. 315,000 ballots were invalid and not legally able to be included in the count. No chain of custody, no tabulator tapes to corroborate that.

Machine and hand recounts did not match until additional ballots were added in to make them match. That is undisputed in Fulton County. Even election officials and their lawyers in court have said that.

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3. At the state and county level, numerous anti-fraud measures and audit procedures are in place to make election fraud and voter fraud difficult to do and easy to detect.

Thanks to the invention of databases and computers, robust fraud detection measures and audit procedures were developed and have been used since the 1980s. Security cameras and electronic security access cardkeys record and document physical access, ballot counting, etc.

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Another lie. They are not auditable, even the inventor of the RLA testified they were not auditable. Another expert hacked a Dominion machine just feet away from a federal judge in under ten minutes...with nothing more than a ballpoint pen. That was in GA.

In Maricopa County, the systems logs were deliberately overwritten by a specifically written script to delete who had accessed the EMS between the day of the election and just before they were forced to turn over those materials under court orders.

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You're going to be waiting a long time. Some of us have been waiting six years.

Edit to add, if the evidence was that easy, then Trump managed to assemble the most incompetent legal team in the history of law.

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You're going to be waiting a long time. Some of us have been waiting six years.

Edit to add, if the evidence was that easy, then Trump managed to assemble the most incompetent legal team in the history of law.

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You know absolutely nothing about procedural law. Case being dismissed for lack if standing or even a non-legal standard such as laches is not a decision on the merits No evidence was allowed to be presented.

And since you could never be bothered to read the election thread that has documented 80% of the fraud, you want me to post all of that for the fifteenth or more times?

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. You have willful blindness. But revel in your ignorance by all means.

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You're going to be waiting a long time. Some of us have been waiting six years.

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You know absolutely nothing about procedural law. Case being dismissed for lack if standing or even a non-legal standard such as laches is not a decision on the merits No evidence was allowed to be presented.

And since you could never be bothered to read the election thread that has documented 80% of the fraud, you want me to post all of that for the fifteenth or more times?

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Iirc, alleged "evidence" and alleged "expert testimony" was submitted in written form and/or presented in person to presiding courts at some of the preliminary hearings. It went nowhere because it was laughable loony-tunes stuff. Most of the "experts" turned out be quacks.

However, in 2021-2022, there were serious investigations by actual forensic experts and credible professionals. The Republican state attorney generals in Georgia and Arizona investigated all the allegations. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation did part of the work. And the U.S. DOJ & FBI investigated. And the secretary of state offices responsible for overseeing elections in Georgia and Arizona investigated.

Not long after the 2020 election, a Trump-supporting Republican took over the head job of overseeing elections in Maricopa County. He too had an extensive investigation & internal review done. An independent 3rd-party computer forensic firm composed of former FBI and military intelligence computer experts was hired to review and analyze the mirrored image archives of 2020 election equipment, logs, and EMS, and they provided their findings.

All those investigations found no fraud or anything unexpected nor anything material that would change the outcome. The Republican Sec State in Georgia reiterated recently that the claim that 315k ballots were ineligible to be counted is false.

You mentioned RLA. RLA is a type of statistical-based audit process. There are dozens of other security checks and audit processes and cross-reference databases we use prior, during, and post- election to identify potential fraud.

It was stolen, pure and simple.

Thankfully, it gave Trump and co 4 years to recover and get ready. I seriously doubt he could have been as effective had he won.

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You know absolutely nothing about procedural law. Case being dismissed for lack if standing or even a non-legal standard such as laches is not a decision on the merits No evidence was allowed to be presented

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I don't need to know about procedural law, I just need to be able to read outcomes. The "evidence" was not credible and thus not presented.

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No, you don't need to, I commented on it then in that thread. My thoughts haven't changed.

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There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. You have willful blindness. But revel in your ignorance by all means.

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Interesting that you tried to apply that quote to me without looking in the mirror first. It doesn't change anything about the incompetence of Trump's legal team then nor now.

According to you, Brooke Rollins could've just sent him a link to that thread and then you and several other posters would've led Trump to a better outcome and we would all be done with it by now instead of listening to POTUS try to re-litigate it six years later.

Uh oh. Barking seals incoming. People who haven't followed all of this are going to tell those of us that have that the election was legitimate because the powers that allowed fraud said there was no fraud.

They refused to be transparent and prove legitimacy, but the "election was secure." Even in cases with multiple people testifying otherwise and an inability to prove the authenticity of ballots due to chain of custody and other issues. Even in states where courts illegally changed election laws.

We can't have serious conversations because some people refuse to accept any evidence that will contradict what they believe.

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We're still doing the stolen 2020 election? Haven't these types passed away by now or did they assimilate with the fake moon landing folks?

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Is it OK in your opinion that Fulton County decided to count 400,000 illegal votes in 2020?

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1. The paper ballots were recounted multiple times. Machine counts of ballots were verified by hand recounts. This is a big one, because it eliminates the whole "the ballot counting machines were rigged" accusation. The ballot counting machines were not rigged.

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Lie. 315,000 ballots were invalid and not legally able to be included in the count. No chain of custody, no tabulator tapes to corroborate that.

Machine and hand recounts did not match until additional ballots were added in to make them match. That is undisputed in Fulton County. Even election officials and their lawyers in court have said that.

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3. At the state and county level, numerous anti-fraud measures and audit procedures are in place to make election fraud and voter fraud difficult to do and easy to detect.

Thanks to the invention of databases and computers, robust fraud detection measures and audit procedures were developed and have been used since the 1980s. Security cameras and electronic security access cardkeys record and document physical access, ballot counting, etc.

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Another lie. They are not auditable, even the inventor of the RLA testified they were not auditable. Another expert hacked a Dominion machine just feet away from a federal judge in under ten minutes...with nothing more than a ballpoint pen. That was in GA.

In Maricopa County, the systems logs were deliberately overwritten by a specifically written script to delete who had accessed the EMS between the day of the election and just before they were forced to turn over those materials under court orders.

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All of those links are on TexAgs, and not very hard to find. This post is just FUDD.

Do you refute that what Aggiehawg is saying is true? Are you going to take the position that what she, (probably one of the most educated people in the country about the 2020 election frauds) doesn't know what she is talking about? Do you really want to throw down that gauntlet?

Maybe if you had an ag tag account that you couldn't abandon the second you get your face drawn through the mud after making such a ridiculous request, someone might take you seriously. However, if you want me to do the research on this site for you, my fee is $100/hr with a 1 hour minimum. Let me know if you are interested.

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You're going to be waiting a long time. Some of us have been waiting six years.

Edit to add, if the evidence was that easy, then Trump managed to assemble the most incompetent legal team in the history of law.

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THE.JUDGES.WERE.COWARDS!

It is that simple.

Dismiss cases for lack of standing before the election, then dismiss the cases for latches after the election, without ever turning the cards over.

Once the cards were turned over, even though it is 5 years later, we find hundreds of thousands of illegally counted votes. Why is that?

People saying the election in 2020 was not rigged have a difficult problem. If the audits in 2021 were adequate, why didn't they catch the hundreds of thousands of illegal votes the first time around?

Pravda interference

Journalist Catherine Herridge was instructed by execs at CBS to wait until after the 2022 midterms to report the truth about the Hunter Biden laptop.

Here's a look back at how CBS reported on the laptop before the 2020 election.

Undeniable corruption and election interference. pic.twitter.com/7bwdqF9d7d

— MAZE (@mazemoore) February 9, 2026

1. I'll tell you the same thing I told Aggiehawg this morning, send the Texags link to Brooke Rollins who can forward it to Trump and all your problems are solved.

2. Judges that don't do Trump's bidding are cowards. Got it. Doesn't make them wrong and I'll trust their judgement over aggiehawg's and yours. But go ahead and send the link to the thread. I'm sure it'll be new information for them since they failed on every other attempt.

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1. I'll tell you the same thing I told Aggiehawg this morning, send the Texags link to Brooke Rollins who can forward it to Trump and all your problems are solved.

2. Judges that don't do Trump's bidding are cowards. Got it. Doesn't make them wrong and I'll trust their judgement over aggiehawg's and yours. But go ahead and send the link to the thread. I'm sure it'll be new information for them since they failed on every other attempt.

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Let's make a deal, make a legitimate attempt to answer my question about why the first "audits" didn't uncover the hundreds of thousands of illegal votes, and I will gift you some internet research this evening on the lack of standing / latches argument, which I am sure that you are aware of but just being obtuse.

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You're going to be waiting a long time. Some of us have been waiting six years.

Edit to add, if the evidence was that easy, then Trump managed to assemble the most incompetent legal team in the history of law.

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THE.JUDGES.WERE.COWARDS!

It is that simple.

Dismiss cases for lack of standing before the election, then dismiss the cases for latches after the election, without ever turning the cards over.

Once the cards were turned over, even though it is 5 years later, we find hundreds of thousands of illegally counted votes. Why is that?

People saying the election in 2020 was not rigged have a difficult problem. If the audits in 2021 were adequate, why didn't they catch the hundreds of thousands of illegal votes the first time around?

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The votes were legal. The Republican Secretary of State in Georgia has repeatedly explained this. Yes, a procedural mistake was made (failure by a poll manager to sign some of the daily tabulator rolls). That doesn't invalidate legally cast ballots. Raffensperger said Georgia election law didn't have any language on the clerical procedure nor require it. What was legally required is the ballots were properly filled out and cast by registered Georgia voters who showed photo ID, voted, and the voters were correctly checked off on the voter database as they voted. That is part of the front-end validation process which made the cast ballots legal. If there was any concern about the first machine tabulation roll totals, that was answered by the subsequent hand recount and machine recount.

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You're going to be waiting a long time. Some of us have been waiting six years.

Edit to add, if the evidence was that easy, then Trump managed to assemble the most incompetent legal team in the history of law.

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THE.JUDGES.WERE.COWARDS!

It is that simple.

Dismiss cases for lack of standing before the election, then dismiss the cases for latches after the election, without ever turning the cards over.

Once the cards were turned over, even though it is 5 years later, we find hundreds of thousands of illegally counted votes. Why is that?

People saying the election in 2020 was not rigged have a difficult problem. If the audits in 2021 were adequate, why didn't they catch the hundreds of thousands of illegal votes the first time around?

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The votes were legal. The Republican Secretary of State in Georgia has repeatedly explained this. Yes, a procedural mistake was made (failure by a poll manager to sign some of the daily tabulator rolls). That doesn't invalidate legally cast ballots. Raffensperger said Georgia election law didn't have any language on the clerical procedure nor require it. What was legally required is the ballots were properly filled out and cast by registered Georgia voters who showed photo ID, voted, and the voters were correctly checked off on the voter database as they voted. That is part of the front-end validation process which made the cast ballots legal. If there was any concern about the first machine tabulation roll totals, that was answered by the subsequent hand recount and machine recount.

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1) Fair enough, I will provide links later.
2) Do you think failure to sign 148 tabulator tapes is a "clerical error"? How in the world did that happen?
3) Do you think that an election system where 148 tabulator tapes are left unsigned is a good sign about the internal controls of the Fulton County election oversight?
4) Is it your position that none of those 315,000 votes were actually illegal? No illegal aliens, dead people, etc. in that 315,000 votes? Is it your position that this was checked and certified?
5) Has anyone signed the 148 tabulator tapes yet? If we do discover that there were illegal votes in those 315,000 votes where the tabulator sheets were unsigned, who in Fulton county should the government prosecute? Who is going to put their freedom on the line to attest that these tabulator tapes are accurate?
6) Do you think internal controls around elections are trivial, and not important to follow?
7) Is it your position that it is legal to certify votes in a Georgia election without being in possession of all of the signed daily tabulator sheets?
8) If no one has signed the daily tabulator sheets yet, how are the votes legally certified, even in 2026?
9) Is it your position that votes that were illegally certified are somehow legal [legally counted] votes?

Edited, added the italics after the comment by Hawg.

There is a vast difference between illegal votes (fraud, ballot box stuffing, phantom voters, people voting multiple times, copies, etc.) and invalid ballots, those that cannot be certified nor otherwise validated according to election laws.

Same thing with provisional ballots. Those are supposed to be kept separate and not counted until the bona fides of the voter can be established. Only then are they legally allowed to be part of the official tally. Provisional ballots are not illegal just because they exist but they are invalid to be counted until the issue of the voter's entitlement to vote is settled.

So let's take a look at mail in votes. How can those be validated? Trust the Post Office? Uhm, no. Post Office doesn't count the number of ballots in envelopes when received nor when released to whomever. (Although in theory, they could if they wanted to.)

Are the ballots folded with obvious creases? Is the weight and size of the paper the same? Do the signatures match? Properly dated? Properly postmarked on the envelopes?

If any of the answers to above is a no, they are invalid. Can they be cured on a individual basis? Yes. But until then, they are invalid.

There will be hearings. Sound bites where people are "owned" or "destroyed".

Then nothing.

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There is a vast difference between illegal votes (fraud, ballot box stuffing, phantom voters, people voting multiple times, copies, etc.) and invalid ballots, those that cannot be certified nor otherwise validated according to election laws.

Same thing with provisional ballots. Those are supposed to be kept separate and not counted until the bona fides of the voter can be established. Only then are they legally allowed to be part of the official tally. Provisional ballots are not illegal just because they exist but they are invalid to be counted until the issue of the voter's entitlement to vote is settled.

So let's take a look at mail in votes. How can those be validated? Trust the Post Office? Uhm, no. Post Office doesn't count the number of ballots in envelopes when received nor when released to whomever. (Although in theory, they could if they wanted to.)

Are the ballots folded with obvious creases? Is the weight and size of the paper the same? Do the signatures match? Properly dated? Properly postmarked on the envelopes?

If any of the answers to above is a no, they are invalid. Can they be cured on a individual basis? Yes. But until then, they are invalid.

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Good point on illegal votes versus invalid votes. Being sloppy with my word choices here.

Do you know if it is illegal to count invalid votes in Georgia in an election? Illegal to certify an election that include invalid votes? I would think that the answer to both is yes.

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Would you consider the Fulton County top election official being fired as "nothing"?

How about a fine against Fulton County by the State of Georgia in the $millions?

That is short of what really needs to happen, but would you consider that to be "Nothing"?

This is most likely pointless, but was digging through some old notes and came across a few docs that made me want to vomit again, but this rebuttal to Maricopa's BS takes the cake.

Cyber Ninja's response to Maricopa

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To be clear, if someone knew the password to a single user account on one of these systems that individual would know the password to the admin account on any of these systems.

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1.9.4.2 INTENTIONAL EXECUTION OF SCRIPTS TO DELIBERATELY ENSURE THAT LOG ENTRIES WERE NOT RETAINED The response by Maricopa County does not address the fact that a user leveraging the emsadmin account deliberately and purposely executed a script that checked the accounts for duplicate passwords 38,478 times. This deliberate execution of the script occurred over three days, specifically on 2/11/2021 there were 462 log entries overwritten, on 3/3/2021 there were 37,686 log entries overwritten, and on 4/12/2021 there were 330 log entries overwritten. Given that the Maricopa County knew that the setting on the log retention was limited to 20MB, the act of executing these scripts had the effect of deliberated ensuring that the Windows security logs covering the dates of the general election would not be available for review.

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Do you know if it is illegal to count invalid votes in Georgia in an election? Illegal to certify an election that include invalid votes? I would think that the answer to both is yes.

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It is but mostly misdemeanor stuff until you can get to the broader conspiracy and heavier felony charges.

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Democrats will insist that if Trump already won 2020, then his two terms are over and impeach him.

You laugh, but you KNOW they are thinking that.

Was crucial for the 2022 midterms in AZ install only Dems in position of power to bring charges or otherwise change the system to stop all of that. They didn't want that.

They had to get a little more creative than just relying on Runbeck to cover for them with Lake wanting her voters to vote on election day. So they were able to cause the voting machines to crash on election day, widespread as possible. It was quite easy, in fact. They altered the ballot image size for the size of the ballot paper and the tabulators could not read them because they hashmarks they use to orient the images were off from what the tabulators were programmed to read.

Design systems and processes full of ez fraud control gaps that cannot be audited. Pound your chest as if an un-auditable process not finding fraud proves there was no fraud.

To audit whether a data set is both complete and accurate/legitimate you need to be able to trace and vouch. Can you vouch any tallied vote back to a legitimate voter and validate the existence/occurrence assertion? Can you trace any vote to a final tally and validate the completeness assertion? The answer is no to both. And it's designed intentionally that way. Why do democrats fight tooth and nail against commons sense control like showing an ID to prove the person voting is the person who is registered to vote if not to keep cheating easy?

We knew it was stolen. We all knew.

This post just nailed the biggest crime in American history - 138,000 votes in 2020 and ZERO for Trump. Statistically impossible!

They stole the election in plain sight, then censored, arrested, indicted anyone who dared speak up. Pure… pic.twitter.com/y9gwyv2SKr

— Bill Mitchell (@mitchellvii) February 9, 2026

If the above is so easily explained, why hasn't it been?

the same people fighting that it wasn't stolen are the same people that are in the streets screaming about illegitimate elections every single time a Republican wins

Nevada. BTW the lawyer testifying is Jesse Binnall. He was part of Powell's team but broke off to focus on other states. He is quite good but no matter how much proof he had, when the judge refuses to even hear any of it, not much else can be done certainly not under such times constraints under election laws.

Nevada voter fraud:

42k people voted more than once
1.5k dead people voted
19k voted while living outside Nevada
8k used non-existent addresses
15k used commercial/vacant addresses
4k non-citizens voted

This is why we need SAVE America Act.

Pass the SAVE America Act! pic.twitter.com/xy5bxn3mk4

— Taya (@travelingflying) February 9, 2026

BusterAg:

Please allow me to explain a few things about elections.

The process for a voter to cast a legal ballot is one thing.

The process of counting the legal ballots that have been cast by voters is a separate thing.

Casting legal ballots:

It takes months of work by county election employees and state election employees to prepare for statewide elections.

We have many extensive front-end security measures and audits and validation requirements which must be met before a ballot becomes a legally cast ballot.

Once a paper ballot has been legally cast by a validated voter, courts place a great deal of weight on the validation processes and the existence of those ballots.

There are a few specific grounds to challenge the legality of election ballots in court. Claiming the ballot counting process made a minor immaterial procedural error by not signing the daily tally sheets is not one of those ways. At worst, a court might order a recount of the ballots.

Ballots cast by validated registered voters are legal because they have gone through all the legally required checks and validations. They become legally-cast paper ballots before a ballot counting machine ever counts them.

Ballots of any voters who fail to pass the validation process are flagged, set aside, and must go through a separate investigatory voter validation and ballot curing process. If those voters cannot pass the voter validation process or have improperly screwed up in one of several ways, their ballots are not included with the legal ballots that are taken to the ballot counting machines.

What is in question in this specific case are not the ballots cast by legally validated voters.

What is in question are the daily machine printouts which summed up the total tallies each day as the legal ballots were counted.

I hope you understand that distinction. It means, with very few exceptions, the paper ballots remain legal once the verified voter cast the ballot. So when someone says those 315k ballots are illegal, they are making an incorrect statement.

The vote counting process:

We extensively check and test the ballot counting machines before, during, and after each election. Independent certified expert third parties also check the ballot counting machines. We run diagnostic tests and ballot counting tests. The machines are kept in secure areas. Access is strictly limited and tracked and recorded.

But let's say our security measures and tests missed something. Let's say the ballot counting machines were intentionally programmed to miscount the ballots, or the machine's software program had an undetected error in the code which caused it to unintentionally miscount the ballots, or the counting machine's OCR detection hardware malfunctions and incorrect tallies are produced:

A mistake in the counting process, whether intentional or unintentional, doesn't invalidate the legally-cast paper ballots.

The judicial remedy would be to recount the ballots. Well, guess what? Because the 2020 election results were close, two recounts occured anyway.

In the Fulton County case, there is no indication the counting of the 315k ballots was in error. Just the opposite, in fact. A subsequent machine recount and a hand recount both confirmed the initial machine ballot counts were accurate.

The failure by a poll manager to sign some of the daily ballot machine tally sheets is a procedural issue. It has no materiality in regard to the paper ballots being legal. Georgia election law didn't even list it as a required procedure.

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You're going to be waiting a long time. Some of us have been waiting six years.

Edit to add, if the evidence was that easy, then Trump managed to assemble the most incompetent legal team in the history of law.

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THE.JUDGES.WERE.COWARDS!

It is that simple.

Dismiss cases for lack of standing before the election, then dismiss the cases for latches after the election, without ever turning the cards over.

Once the cards were turned over, even though it is 5 years later, we find hundreds of thousands of illegally counted votes. Why is that?

People saying the election in 2020 was not rigged have a difficult problem. If the audits in 2021 were adequate, why didn't they catch the hundreds of thousands of illegal votes the first time around?

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The votes were legal. The Republican Secretary of State in Georgia has repeatedly explained this. Yes, a procedural mistake was made (failure by a poll manager to sign some of the daily tabulator rolls). That doesn't invalidate legally cast ballots. Raffensperger said Georgia election law didn't have any language on the clerical procedure nor require it. What was legally required is the ballots were properly filled out and cast by registered Georgia voters who showed photo ID, voted, and the voters were correctly checked off on the voter database as they voted. That is part of the front-end validation process which made the cast ballots legal. If there was any concern about the first machine tabulation roll totals, that was answered by the subsequent hand recount and machine recount.

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Where did you run off too? Tired if getting wrecked?

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It takes months of work by county election employees and state election employees to prepare for statewide elections.

We have many extensive front-end security measures and audits and validation requirements which must be met before a ballot becomes a legally cast ballot.

Once a paper ballot has been legally cast by a validated voter, courts place a great deal of weight on the validation processes and the existence of those ballots.

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That's the way it used to be but not anymore. Voter rolls are not properly maintained in many states. Even worse, up to 25 states outsourced maintenance of their voter rolls to a non-profit (Soros funded) organization called ERIC. ERIC had no oversight. States by their contracts with ERIC (euphemistically called "members") were prohibited from showing ERIC's work on a widespread basis.

ERIC had no such restrictions an freely doled out the altered voter rolls to Dem orgainzations such as CTCL and CEIR. They in turn could create ballots from the phantom voters, multiple voter from the same address, voters with a birthdate of 1900, etc.

I have posted multiple threads on ERIC, CTCL and CEIR. Election integrity is no where on their priority list. Winning elections for Dems is.

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1. The paper ballots were recounted multiple times. Machine counts of ballots were verified by hand recounts. This is a big one, because it eliminates the whole "the ballot counting machines were rigged" accusation. The ballot counting machines were not rigged.

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Lie. 315,000 ballots were invalid and not legally able to be included in the count. No chain of custody, no tabulator tapes to corroborate that.

Machine and hand recounts did not match until additional ballots were added in to make them match. That is undisputed in Fulton County. Even election officials and their lawyers in court have said that.

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3. At the state and county level, numerous anti-fraud measures and audit procedures are in place to make election fraud and voter fraud difficult to do and easy to detect.

Thanks to the invention of databases and computers, robust fraud detection measures and audit procedures were developed and have been used since the 1980s. Security cameras and electronic security access cardkeys record and document physical access, ballot counting, etc.

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Another lie. They are not auditable, even the inventor of the RLA testified they were not auditable. Another expert hacked a Dominion machine just feet away from a federal judge in under ten minutes...with nothing more than a ballpoint pen. That was in GA.

In Maricopa County, the systems logs were deliberately overwritten by a specifically written script to delete who had accessed the EMS between the day of the election and just before they were forced to turn over those materials under court orders.

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Provide links to the sources of your assertions.

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You 1st. What you posted it complete BS.

I misstated the the ballots were illegal. They are invalid if the tabulators are signed. It is illegal to certify an election that includes so many invalid ballots. Fulton county did it anyways.

This wasn't one or two tabulator sheets. This was 148 that were not signed, and still have not been signed. No one is accountable if these sheets are fraudulent. That is a problem.

So, whether or not the votes were illegal, they were illegally counted by the election officials.

Is that not a problem in your opinion? Do you think election officials should follow internal controls to prevent fraud?

Isn't it reasonable to question the results of an election when internal controls are so blatantly ignored, and no one has stepped up to put their neck on the line that the vote tabulation sheets are not fraudulent?

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What is in question in this specific case are not the ballots cast by legally validated voters.

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The reason libs protest voter ID,
The reason libs protest fixing voter registration rolls,
The reason libs are against mandatory proof of citizenship to REGISTER to vote
The reason lib states have set up automatic registration regardless of citizenship status, for example, getting a drivers license = you are registered
Etc...

Are as follows

Illegal harvesting of votes after polls close. While Dominion machines are certainly an issue, this is the biggest one.

1. Polls close
2. Votes are counted
3. It's determined how many votes need to be created
4. These votes are created and documented by using voter rolls to identify

You remember all the states that stopped counting ballots in the 2020 election? Almost all were elections run by the left. And when they realize they have to create a ton of these votes, they just stop counting.

There is zero reason votes should not be counted within hours of polls closing. Except for one reason - illegal harvesting of votes.