Libs hate everything about Trump even if he does liberal things

Apollo79 said:

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javajaws said:

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infinity ag said:

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If this is true and Trump is not trolling, then BAD TRUMP.

Here is what he should do instead.

1. Take all the tariff money and put it towards the federal debt. It won't be significant but it will show everyone that he is serious about the debt.
2. If he doesn't want to do it and do something populist instead, send the money to people who are not wealthy and struggling, not to wealthy folks like most of us here. I would like Homeless Steve to get $2000 instead of Trump sending me a check for example.

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Its an altogether stupid idea (just like tariffs). But if he DOES do it, your idea above is just more wealth redistribution - no thanks.

I can guarantee you tariffs are costing those of us that are more well off more than those that aren't - after all it is somewhat directly tied to how much you spend.

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Any proof Tarrifs have increased consumer prices?

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No proof. But I think they will at some point. Let's see if I am right. I am okay with some price rise if we can get jobs back.

Let's say something from China cost $100. A US made product would cost $110, so people prefer the Chinese one though it is of inferior quality (who cares about quality anymore). Trump applies 25% tariff so Chinese product is $125. The US company feels that $110 is too low and they can get away with $120 as it is still lower than $125 for Chinese made. So they jack up the prices. This is just 1 scenario, there are many others.

MouthBQ98 said:

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By and large, those wealthy paying taxes also produce far more for the economy (and the government) on a per person basis than they consume. Most "tax payers" are net tax recipients from the government. Only about the top 10-20-% of us are carrying the load.

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Give me examples.

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infinity ag said:

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Im Gipper said:

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I think it should just go to CEO's


They are the drivers of this economy and country, both morally and fiscally.

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That is what Reagan did with his brain-dead idea of trickle down economics.

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You realize that was just the Democrat name for market economics, right? Like... how markets work, as if it was something Reagan came up with...

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Trickle down is not market economics.
It is wealth distribution to favor the wealthy. They got richer and everyone else got poor because they prevented anything from trickling down.

infinity ag said:

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Im Gipper said:

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I think it should just go to CEO's


They are the drivers of this economy and country, both morally and fiscally.

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That is what Reagan did with his brain-dead idea of trickle down economics.

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Trickledown has been proven effective over and over and over again.

How do I know? Experience buddy. Good ol fashion HMIC experience.

You raise my taxes, I cut my spending both personally and in my businesses. Limit or pause raises, pause investments, pause everything.

Any fiscal conservative with skin in the game and in charge of things will behave in this manner.

To call Reagan's economic policy "brain dead" is sort of ironic, hypocritic, lacking self-awareness.

infinity ag said:

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If this is true and Trump is not trolling, then BAD TRUMP.

Here is what he should do instead.

1. Take all the tariff money and put it towards the federal debt. It won't be significant but it will show everyone that he is serious about the debt.
2. If he doesn't want to do it and do something populist instead, send the money to people who are not wealthy and struggling, not to wealthy folks like most of us here. I would like Homeless Steve to get $2000 instead of Trump sending me a check for example.

The American habit of not saving and blowing up any spare cash they get their hands on needs to be curbed and curtailed.


Trump could send Americans $2k tariff checks: How to invest it
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/trump-could-send-americans-2k-173020363.html

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US President Trump has floated giving American taxpayers an up to $2,000 check, in a payment "almost like a dividend" funded by tariffs.

PNC Asset Management Group chief investment officer Amanda Agati and Yahoo Finance Senior Reporters Brooke DiPalma and Ines Ferr discuss the potential Trump check.

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Good Trump.

May he do this every year.

aggiepanic95 said:

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its about midterms. Conservatives and right/center indys are going to vote red regardless, dems looking for an excuse to pull red can likely be bought off with a check. Personally I'd rather we apply the funds to the debt, but if it anyway keeps the balance of both houses securely red then I am all for it

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Agree. Victory is what matters at this point. First term was sabotaged by Pelosi coming in in 2018. Let's have a full four years this time. But if this is the goal, would giving it in 2026 closer to time make more sense or no?

FTC,

Infinity isn't a conservative.


HTH


YWIA

Apollo79 said:

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javajaws said:

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infinity ag said:

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If this is true and Trump is not trolling, then BAD TRUMP.

Here is what he should do instead.

1. Take all the tariff money and put it towards the federal debt. It won't be significant but it will show everyone that he is serious about the debt.
2. If he doesn't want to do it and do something populist instead, send the money to people who are not wealthy and struggling, not to wealthy folks like most of us here. I would like Homeless Steve to get $2000 instead of Trump sending me a check for example.

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Its an altogether stupid idea (just like tariffs). But if he DOES do it, your idea above is just more wealth redistribution - no thanks.

I can guarantee you tariffs are costing those of us that are more well off more than those that aren't - after all it is somewhat directly tied to how much you spend.

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Any proof Tarrifs have increased consumer prices?

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Such a stupid and irrelevant question but I know you MAGA loyalists love you some tariffs and like to ask that question even when it is not pertinent.

So I'll answer you simply: yes. I have receipts. I have emails telling me how much more I have to pay because of tariffs or I will not receive goods already ordered and paid for previously. I also have emails and online notices telling me how certain costs will go up on future purchases because of tariffs.

I'm sure that won't be good enough for you and well I really don't care. Your question is irrelevant - I didn't even make any claim about how much prices might have gone up. You're just another MAGA sheep doing the same old crap.

Are you serious? It's been posted on here hundreds of times how the distribution of tax payers skews the burden very heavily to the wealthy. The data is very clear, the last few years the top 1% of income earners have paid roughly 40% of total income taxes for example. The bottom 50% pay about 2% with a great fraction of those being net positive recipients after credits and such.

Here and there due to capita ll gains taxes and credits against losses a wealthy person might net out with relatively low taxes but overall, if they're making money in the USA they're paying capita gains and mostly the top marginal rate minus anything their accountant and lawyer can get credit against. Spite the wealthy for their undue influence over politics, but they real do by far pay the most in taxes as a group. The aiRS data on that is indesputable

To be fair BigRob, few Rs meet your standard of conservatism.

Outside of hating CEOs, disregarding company policies on insider trading, and not buying their wife a car for her cause Trump temporarily spooked the market, then I really have no concept on where they actually stand.

Oh, they hate H1_bs too.

Back to the OP, I think Trump said this comment, at least Karoline Leavitt just referenced as similar comment, in regards to these checks as being in response to the Rs cutting the ACA stipends from COVID.

Sending out checks is vote buying and I am not a fan, but there is at least a bit of rationale behind it not simply Trump making it rain.

infinity ag said:

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YouBet said:

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I would like Homeless Steve to get $2000 instead of Trump sending me a check for example.

The American habit of not saving and blowing up any spare cash they get their hands on needs to be curbed and curtailed.

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Seems contradictory.

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How so?

Homeless Steve needs money to eat and put a roof over his head.

I am well past that (never was in that situation). I am saving for retirement. Poor Steve has no chance of a good retirement as he will be panhandling at 80.

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The vast majority of homeless are insane, drug addicts, and/or want to be homeless. They would blow that money on booze and drugs. Guaranteed.

The economic ROI from these checks is way more impactful giving it to people on this board.

It's not even debatable.

Edit: I think the checks are stupid, period. But at least it would give me most of the $2,500 Obama promised me back in 2010 (not counting for inflation).

javajaws said:

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Apollo79 said:

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javajaws said:

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infinity ag said:

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If this is true and Trump is not trolling, then BAD TRUMP.

Here is what he should do instead.

1. Take all the tariff money and put it towards the federal debt. It won't be significant but it will show everyone that he is serious about the debt.
2. If he doesn't want to do it and do something populist instead, send the money to people who are not wealthy and struggling, not to wealthy folks like most of us here. I would like Homeless Steve to get $2000 instead of Trump sending me a check for example.

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Its an altogether stupid idea (just like tariffs). But if he DOES do it, your idea above is just more wealth redistribution - no thanks.

I can guarantee you tariffs are costing those of us that are more well off more than those that aren't - after all it is somewhat directly tied to how much you spend.

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Any proof Tarrifs have increased consumer prices?

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Such a stupid and irrelevant question but I know you MAGA loyalists love you some tariffs and like to ask that question even when it is not pertinent.

So I'll answer you simply: yes. I have receipts. I have emails telling me how much more I have to pay because of tariffs or I will not receive goods already ordered and paid for previously. I also have emails and online notices telling me how certain costs will go up on future purchases because of tariffs.

I'm sure that won't be good enough for you and well I really don't care. Your question is irrelevant - I didn't even make any claim about how much prices might have gone up. You're just another MAGA sheep doing the same old crap.

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Exactly

Hell, I work for a company that recently said that we'll be charging our customers another almost 2billion due to idiotic tariffs.

Massively reduce regulations
Cut taxes to 0
Gut spending


The only answer.

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infinity ag said:

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YouBet said:

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I would like Homeless Steve to get $2000 instead of Trump sending me a check for example.

The American habit of not saving and blowing up any spare cash they get their hands on needs to be curbed and curtailed.

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Seems contradictory.

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How so?

Homeless Steve needs money to eat and put a roof over his head.

I am well past that (never was in that situation). I am saving for retirement. Poor Steve has no chance of a good retirement as he will be panhandling at 80.

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The vast majority of homeless are insane, drug addicts, and/or want to be homeless. They would blow that money on booze and drugs. Guaranteed.

The economic ROI from these checks is way more impactful giving it to people on this board.

It's not even debatable.

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Mine would go straight into my investment portfolio.

javajaws said:

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Apollo79 said:

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Any proof Tarrifs have increased consumer prices?

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Such a stupid and irrelevant question but I know you MAGA loyalists love you some tariffs and like to ask that question even when it is not pertinent.

So I'll answer you simply: yes. I have receipts. I have emails telling me how much more I have to pay because of tariffs or I will not receive goods already ordered and paid for previously. I also have emails and online notices telling me how certain costs will go up on future purchases because of tariffs.

I'm sure that won't be good enough for you and well I really don't care. Your question is irrelevant - I didn't even make any claim about how much prices might have gone up. You're just another MAGA sheep doing the same old crap.

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Stupid and irrelevant because you have a single anecdote of how it affects you?

What you describe is a change in market dynamics specific to you. There is no evidence that tariffs has resulted in a broad tax on everyday Americans.

When you hate on MAGA, you are hating on common sense.

All of my check will go to putting some single moms through College

infinity ag said:

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YouBet said:

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I would like Homeless Steve to get $2000 instead of Trump sending me a check for example.

The American habit of not saving and blowing up any spare cash they get their hands on needs to be curbed and curtailed.

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Seems contradictory.

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How so?

Homeless Steve needs money to eat and put a roof over his head.

I am well past that (never was in that situation). I am saving for retirement. Poor Steve has no chance of a good retirement as he will be panhandling at 80.

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Wrong! We are cutting Medicaid. Homeless Steve will be dead waaay before that.

Actually, how my 80 year old homeless dudes you see on the street anyway?

TommyBrady said:

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All of my check will go to putting some single moms through College

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If you are referencing OnlyFans, it is probably now a dude in India with a really good graphics card.

GeorgiAg said:

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infinity ag said:

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YouBet said:

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Quote:

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I would like Homeless Steve to get $2000 instead of Trump sending me a check for example.

The American habit of not saving and blowing up any spare cash they get their hands on needs to be curbed and curtailed.

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Seems contradictory.

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How so?

Homeless Steve needs money to eat and put a roof over his head.

I am well past that (never was in that situation). I am saving for retirement. Poor Steve has no chance of a good retirement as he will be panhandling at 80.

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Wrong! We are cutting Medicaid. Homeless Steve will be dead waaay before that.

Actually, how my 80 year old homeless dudes you see on the street anyway?

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Those 80 year-olds are really 30 year-old meth heads.

GeorgiAg said:

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TommyBrady said:

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All of my check will go to putting some single moms through College

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If you are referencing OnlyFans, it is probably now a dude in India with a really good graphics card.

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I'm way too old for that bs I'm more into the real human connection you get at a sketchy strip club

SouthTex99 said:

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Targeted stimulus to industries getting killed by tariffs might help them survive to the other side of trade negotiations.

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No different than too big to fail bailouts. Easy the regulatory burden and lower the minimum wage.

TRM said:

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SouthTex99 said:

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Targeted stimulus to industries getting killed by tariffs might help them survive to the other side of trade negotiations.

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No different than too big to fail bailouts. Easy the regulatory burden and lower the minimum wage.

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Too late. Trump is already considering giving farmers $10-14B in aid due to tariff fallout.

javajaws said:

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Apollo79 said:

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javajaws said:

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infinity ag said:

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If this is true and Trump is not trolling, then BAD TRUMP.

Here is what he should do instead.

1. Take all the tariff money and put it towards the federal debt. It won't be significant but it will show everyone that he is serious about the debt.
2. If he doesn't want to do it and do something populist instead, send the money to people who are not wealthy and struggling, not to wealthy folks like most of us here. I would like Homeless Steve to get $2000 instead of Trump sending me a check for example.

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Its an altogether stupid idea (just like tariffs). But if he DOES do it, your idea above is just more wealth redistribution - no thanks.

I can guarantee you tariffs are costing those of us that are more well off more than those that aren't - after all it is somewhat directly tied to how much you spend.

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Any proof Tarrifs have increased consumer prices?

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Such a stupid and irrelevant question but I know you MAGA loyalists love you some tariffs and like to ask that question even when it is not pertinent.

So I'll answer you simply: yes. I have receipts. I have emails telling me how much more I have to pay because of tariffs or I will not receive goods already ordered and paid for previously. I also have emails and online notices telling me how certain costs will go up on future purchases because of tariffs.

I'm sure that won't be good enough for you and well I really don't care. Your question is irrelevant - I didn't even make any claim about how much prices might have gone up. You're just another MAGA sheep doing the same old crap.

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So no proof carry on in your ignorance

Gonna blow my trump daddy dividend on weed like I did the first term

Does the president have any new meme crypto coming? If I get some free $ then I'm going to gamble on getting in the grift.

I'm so sick of ****ing handouts! Just get the ****ing budget in order and get rid of the deficit this bull****

Bad Trump

CDUB98 said:

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Pay down the ****ing debt.

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Agree, would hope our political leaders felt that way. Not holding my breath

Save them for Oct 2026.

Dan Carlin said:

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Does the president have any new meme crypto coming? If I get some free $ then I'm going to gamble on getting in the grift.

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grift - to obtain money illicitly.

So, you are either wanting to conspire in an ongoing crime, or you poorly understand the word and concept of "grift".

NO ONE has ever been FORCED to buy Trump crypto. NO ONE has ever been TRICKED to buy into Trump crypto.

So are you simply against free markets and consumer choice?

jt2hunt said:

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I'm so sick of ****ing handouts! Just get the ****ing budget in order and get rid of the deficit this bull****

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You have my vote, brother.

javajaws said:

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Apollo79 said:

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[url=https://www.investopedia.com/us-inflation-rate-by-president-8546447][/url]

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Such a stupid and irrelevant question but I know you MAGA loyalists love you some tariffs and like to ask that question even when it is not pertinent.

So I'll answer you simply: yes. I have receipts. I have emails telling me how much more I have to pay because of tariffs or I will not receive goods already ordered and paid for previously. I also have emails and online notices telling me how certain costs will go up on future purchases because of tariffs.

I'm sure that won't be good enough for you and well I really don't care. Your question is irrelevant - I didn't even make any claim about how much prices might have gone up. You're just another MAGA sheep doing the same old crap.

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Many if not most of those you call MAGA loyalists disagree with tariffs, others recognize them as negotiating tools that in some cases have worked with countries agreeing to negotiate them. Unfortunately you are caught with some tariffs but the inflation rate currently is not extraordinary.
Current US Inflation Rates: 2000-2025
Maybe you didnt get to enjoy the Carter Administration years with ~ 17% mortgages
U.S. Inflation Rate by President: From Truman to Biden
During Carter's term, the misery indexwhich is the unemployment rate plus inflation reached a record high of 21.98%.
Hope that helps ease your pain knowing it could be and has been a lot worse

Spirit Airlines and Carnival Cruises are certainly lobbying for the shecks to be sent....

I would love to get some of this tariff money. Putting it towards the debt is spit in the ocean.

I want this and I want the Obamacare subsidies, along with SS and Medicare!

The Titanic is sinking. Let's party before we go under!