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Charlie Kirk Firings
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Ellis Wyatt said:
This has nothing to do with the first amendment.
It has to do with a godless populace. It has to do with a lack of character. It has to do with a lack of judgment.
I get all of that. I am just the type of person that looks at the precedents being set and how they can be used against us when evil rises to power again. And I disagree, it has everything to do with the 1st Amendment. Vile speech is still speech. This is the camel's nose under the tent.
Let's just say the leftists take over the government again after Trump. Do you think they care about the nuance between saying "Charlie Kirk was a fascist and deserved to die" and "Fauci committed crimes against humanity and should be hung from the tallest tree."? Once we establish that it's okay to fire people on a large scale for the nasty things they say, then everyone on this board better get ready for what comes.
The best way to keep evil men from wielding great power is to not create great power in the first place.
The first amendment has never protected you from private repercussions. It also doesn't protect you when you violate a code of conduct you have agreed to comply with (even at public institutions).
Fauci does deserve to be tried in a court of law for crimes against humanity and then suffer the appropriate sentence. Terrible analogy.
American Hardwood said:Ellis Wyatt said:
This has nothing to do with the first amendment.
It has to do with a godless populace. It has to do with a lack of character. It has to do with a lack of judgment.
I get all of that. I am just the type of person that looks at the precedents being set and how they can be used against us when evil rises to power again. And I disagree, it has everything to do with the 1st Amendment. Vile speech is still speech. This is the camel's nose under the tent.
Let's just say the leftists take over the government again after Trump. Do you think they care about the nuance between saying "Charlie Kirk was a fascist and deserved to die" and "Fauci committed crimes against humanity and should be hung from the tallest tree."? Once we establish that it's okay to fire people on a large scale for the nasty things they say, then everyone on this board better get ready for what comes.
They did this under Biden; they will do it again.
johnnyblaze36 said:
Fauci does deserve to be tried in a court of law for crimes against humanity and then suffer the appropriate sentence. Terrible analogy.
This is about what people say, which very often doesn't include "after due process and trial by a court of law".
Look, I understand my concern is not going to be a popular one around here. My feelings are the same as everyone else around here about what these people say. But the left is very, very good at taking something righteous that the right does or believes and turning it into a weapon against those same people. My message is cautionary, be careful what you wish for.
The best way to keep evil men from wielding great power is to not create great power in the first place.
powerbelly said:
The first amendment has never protected you from private repercussions. It also doesn't protect you when you violate a code of conduct you have agreed to comply with (even at public institutions).
I specifically noted public institutions. Again IANAL, but I would think a code of conduct policy would have a rough go of it against a Constitutional right. I'm sure this has been challenged before and there is probably case law.
Do you not see how pushing the envelope on what you are allowed to say can be used against you? Codes of conduct can be weaponized very easily if you empower administrations with this.
Maybe I am overly concerned, but I just see peril ahead following the purge.
The best way to keep evil men from wielding great power is to not create great power in the first place.
1st amendment protects you from government. It doesn't protect you from me firing your dumb ass
These idiots complaining about being fired for their SM posts relating to Charlie Kirk's assassination most likely cheered on when Harvard rescinded their admission to Parkland shooting survivor for SM posts made years prior to Harvard acceptance.
Codes of conduct have already been weaponized. Sanctioning violence and murder can get you expelled.
1. It can be weaponized with or without this happening. I would argue it already has been happening and that is why academia is so slanted to one side of our political spectrum. Tenure, promotions, hiring have all been dependent on the "correct" political speech.
2. We all saw people fired during Covid for their protected speech.
3. I don't think we will see any successful lawsuits due to the firings we have seen so far and the slope isn't a slippery as you think.
2. We all saw people fired during Covid for their protected speech.
3. I don't think we will see any successful lawsuits due to the firings we have seen so far and the slope isn't a slippery as you think.
powerbelly said:
The first amendment has never protected you from private repercussions. It also doesn't protect you when you violate a code of conduct you have agreed to comply with (even at public institutions).
Bingo.
you act as if that DID NOT ALREADY HAPPEN!
were you not alive during the COVID panic?!?!
people LITERALLY lost their jobs for questioning an experimental drug being put into their bodies against their will!
and the First Amendment protects the populace from the GOVERNMENT, not the private sector employer who has the right in a capitalist society to fire anyone.
were you not alive during the COVID panic?!?!
people LITERALLY lost their jobs for questioning an experimental drug being put into their bodies against their will!
and the First Amendment protects the populace from the GOVERNMENT, not the private sector employer who has the right in a capitalist society to fire anyone.
LMCane said:
you act as if that DID NOT ALREADY HAPPEN!
were you not alive during the COVID panic?!?!
people LITERALLY lost their jobs for questioning an experimental drug being put into their bodies against their will!
and the First Amendment protects the populace from the GOVERNMENT, not the private sector employer who has the right in a capitalist society to fire anyone.
Yes, I did which only demonstrates the problem more. We keep going in that direction. Just because it's our turn now doesn't mean we aren't continuing to build on the same problem. I see Britain in our future if we keep doing this.
How many times have I already stated that my points are regarding the GOVERNMENT and PUBLIC positions. How are y'all ignoring that? Private institutions can fire whoever they want with no problem by me.
The best way to keep evil men from wielding great power is to not create great power in the first place.
lol I am mad that I posted something to where the public can see my thoughts. I got fired because of those thoughts. I now want to sue the public for getting me fired for my public thoughts.Dungeon Crawler Carl said:Panic is setting in. pic.twitter.com/2dCSVBpueR
— Steve 🇺🇸 (@SteveLovesAmmo) September 16, 2025
That is impressive. Probably will be successful in New York
His question is regarding those who work for the government, which includes public universities. The answer appears to be applying a conduct clause and using that to fire them.
"The other side already did that" shouldn't wash as a reason. If a governmental entity is firing people for speech, is that a violation of the first amendment?
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I completely agree that the comments are reprehensible and I don't want people in positions of trust who have those views. Also wholly on board with private companies making personnel decisions, and idiots receiving consequences for exercising their free speech rights.
This question is a good one though.
"The other side already did that" shouldn't wash as a reason. If a governmental entity is firing people for speech, is that a violation of the first amendment?
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I completely agree that the comments are reprehensible and I don't want people in positions of trust who have those views. Also wholly on board with private companies making personnel decisions, and idiots receiving consequences for exercising their free speech rights.
This question is a good one though.
powerbelly said:
1. It can be weaponized with or without this happening. I would argue it already has been happening and that is why academia is so slanted to one side of our political spectrum. Tenure, promotions, hiring have all been dependent on the "correct" political speech.
2. We all saw people fired during Covid for their protected speech.
3. I don't think we will see any successful lawsuits due to the firings we have seen so far and the slope isn't a slippery as you think.
1. I agree that it has already been happening. I expect it from the left. I just don't like seeing our side doing the same thing.
2. Yes, and it was bad.
3. I hope you are right. But see my sig. I have been consistent on matters like this. I don't like the heavy hand of government when it comes to liberty no matter who is in charge. I am more in the camp of 'let the idiots expose themselves' and let the marketplace of ideas decide, at least when it comes to students. Faculty I might be a bit sterner with. They have a duty to perform and a sense of decorum that should go with the job that these folks clearly violate.
Do you think Charlie Kirk would have demanded these people be fired or do you think he would rather challenge their beliefs openly?
The best way to keep evil men from wielding great power is to not create great power in the first place.
American Hardwood said:johnnyblaze36 said:
Fauci does deserve to be tried in a court of law for crimes against humanity and then suffer the appropriate sentence. Terrible analogy.
This is about what people say, which very often doesn't include "after due process and trial by a court of law".
Look, I understand my concern is not going to be a popular one around here. My feelings are the same as everyone else around here about what these people say. But the left is very, very good at taking something righteous that the right does or believes and turning it into a weapon against those same people. My message is cautionary, be careful what you wish for.
Are you aware of anyone that the government has arrested related to Kirk?
Because I can point you to a whole bunch of people fired for what they said about Fauci / COVID.
It takes a special kind of brainwashed useful idiot to politically defend government fraud, waste, and abuse.
BusterAg said:American Hardwood said:johnnyblaze36 said:
Fauci does deserve to be tried in a court of law for crimes against humanity and then suffer the appropriate sentence. Terrible analogy.
This is about what people say, which very often doesn't include "after due process and trial by a court of law".
Look, I understand my concern is not going to be a popular one around here. My feelings are the same as everyone else around here about what these people say. But the left is very, very good at taking something righteous that the right does or believes and turning it into a weapon against those same people. My message is cautionary, be careful what you wish for.
Are you aware of anyone that the government has arrested related to Kirk?
Because I can point you to a whole bunch of people fired for what they said about Fauci / COVID.
What does being arrested have to do with it?
The best way to keep evil men from wielding great power is to not create great power in the first place.
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I am more in the camp of 'let the idiots expose themselves' and let the marketplace of ideas decide, at least when it comes to students. Faculty I might be a bit sterner with. They have a duty to perform and a sense of decorum that should go with the job that these folks clearly violate.
This is the marketplace of ideas acting.
These people would not be fired if not for the "market" acting with disgust at the behavior.
powerbelly said:Quote:
I am more in the camp of 'let the idiots expose themselves' and let the marketplace of ideas decide, at least when it comes to students. Faculty I might be a bit sterner with. They have a duty to perform and a sense of decorum that should go with the job that these folks clearly violate.
This is the marketplace of ideas acting.
These people would not be fired if not for the "market" acting with disgust at the behavior.
This is true. But it wasn't that long ago that the marketplace of ideas thought you should be fired for not using someone's preferred pronouns. And I don't think many in here thought that was a great world to live in.
And I get celebrating murder is on a different level and have no sympathy for those people. Just realize the pendulum will swing back at some point and we will have a harder time claiming the philosophical high ground.
Gaeilge said:
University of Kansas is emboldened in this position because somehow they ended up with a liberal as their governor.
KU has a long history of being a liberal cesspool.
powerbelly said:
The first amendment has never protected you from private repercussions. It also doesn't protect you when you violate a code of conduct you have agreed to comply with (even at public institutions).
yep certain posters really don't get this, they think throwing around SC cases mean it cant happen. lol
American Hardwood said:BusterAg said:American Hardwood said:
But the left is very, very good at taking somethingrighteousthat therightleft does or believes and the right tries turning it into a weapon against those same leftist people and using the government to persecute the right for the same thing that the left is guilty of.
Based on your comment that this is about protection from consequences, not protection from the government, FIFY.
It takes a special kind of brainwashed useful idiot to politically defend government fraud, waste, and abuse.
Starbucks update.....
Caution: this may just be the folks at Dutch Bros. trying to cash in by trashing their competition.
A patron went to @Starbucks this morning and ordered Charlie Kirk’s favorite drink — Mint Majesty with honey.
— Awake Illinois (@Awake_IL) September 16, 2025
When their cup came back, it was marked with the word “loser :)” across it.
No customer should ever be mocked or insulted because of what they order or what they… pic.twitter.com/RmZqXEMaMc
Caution: this may just be the folks at Dutch Bros. trying to cash in by trashing their competition.
American Hardwood said:Ellis Wyatt said:
This has nothing to do with the first amendment.
It has to do with a godless populace. It has to do with a lack of character. It has to do with a lack of judgment.
I get all of that. I am just the type of person that looks at the precedents being set and how they can be used against us when evil rises to power again. And I disagree, it has everything to do with the 1st Amendment. Vile speech is still speech. This is the camel's nose under the tent.
Let's just say the leftists take over the government again after Trump. Do you think they care about the nuance between saying "Charlie Kirk was a fascist and deserved to die" and "Fauci committed crimes against humanity and should be hung from the tallest tree."? Once we establish that it's okay to fire people on a large scale for the nasty things they say, then everyone on this board better get ready for what comes.
Well.... it sounds like one side is going to have to win and one side is going to have to lose.
So there is that....
I am for the Christian side. People who wish death on others should at a minimum lose their jobs and positions as a consequence. They can publicly repent and come back into society even with liberal views.... but we will not tolerate the macabre dancing on the graves of innocent victims any more.
American Hardwood said:powerbelly said:
1. It can be weaponized with or without this happening. I would argue it already has been happening and that is why academia is so slanted to one side of our political spectrum. Tenure, promotions, hiring have all been dependent on the "correct" political speech.
2. We all saw people fired during Covid for their protected speech.
3. I don't think we will see any successful lawsuits due to the firings we have seen so far and the slope isn't a slippery as you think.
1. I agree that it has already been happening. I expect it from the left. I just don't like seeing our side doing the same thing.
2. Yes, and it was bad.
3. I hope you are right. But see my sig. I have been consistent on matters like this. I don't like the heavy hand of government when it comes to liberty no matter who is in charge. I am more in the camp of 'let the idiots expose themselves' and let the marketplace of ideas decide, at least when it comes to students. Faculty I might be a bit sterner with. They have a duty to perform and a sense of decorum that should go with the job that these folks clearly violate.
Do you think Charlie Kirk would have demanded these people be fired or do you think he would rather challenge their beliefs openly?
Well, he's dead so we won't ever find out, nice try. Secondly, I can almost promise you if someone on the left was killed in the same manner, he'd be speaking out against it and no he would not demand these people be fired. That is not in his CONTROL. You absolutely know this.
This whole experience with these leftists celebrating his assassination just shows you how deranged the minds of many leftists are. Not only the abhorrent thoughts and comments but just the sheer stupidity, lack of any self restraint, and lack of self preservation instinct where knowing that many are being fired or kicked out of school and having their lives upended yet still charge full steam ahead to make their ****ty voice heard on social media.
No, huge character flaws.
Quick question. When George Soros passes away, if any conservative posts "good riddance," y'all are Ok with them being fired over it?
JCA1 said:
Quick question. When George Soros passes away, if any conservative posts "good riddance," y'all are Ok with them being fired over it?
This is a good question that should give many people pause. Well played
The list is long and distinguished of those who I will celebrate dieing by natural causes. I won't, however, being doing it on social media eventhough I wouldn't be fired for doing so. It's great to work for hard right people.
JCA1 said:
Quick question. When George Soros passes away, if any conservative posts "good riddance," y'all are Ok with them being fired over it?
Doesn't matter if you are ok with it or not, the poster should know what standard their employer will hold them to as a representative of employer. If a poster uses the same vitriol as the fired left has for Charlie then yes it would be expected and there's no excuse.
JCA1 said:
Quick question. When George Soros passes away, if any conservative posts "good riddance," y'all are Ok with them being fired over it?
Not my business what their employer does, but there's a big difference between "good riddance" when someone passes away versus "good, he had it coming" when someone is murdered.
Dungeon Crawler Carl said:
Caution: this may just be the folks at Dutch Bros. trying to cash in by trashing their competition.
Another reason Starbucks should have stuck to just being the best coffee shops in the country, instead of introducing any kind of politics over the past 20+ years.
Had they done that, no asterisk would have been necessary.
Other businesses should take note.
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