No thanks….government sponsored families

carl spacklers hat said:

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I never celebrate Socialism. There are no freebies, somebody, somewhere is paying. Bad New Mexico.

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You don't celebrate Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid?

Your child's care is not my responsibility........If you can't afford them, learn to swallow.

And what happens when the state runs out of money?

Hullabaloonatic said:

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You don't celebrate Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid?

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Nope.

pirmag said:

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who will pay for it?

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They sure don't generate enough revenue in that state to pay for it.

Hullabaloonatic said:

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carl spacklers hat said:

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I never celebrate Socialism. There are no freebies, somebody, somewhere is paying. Bad New Mexico.

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You don't celebrate Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid?

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War on Poverty...somehow we've spent over $30,000,000,000,000 to help people take care of themselves and here we are still...

Hullabaloonatic said:

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TAMUallen said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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TAMUallen said:

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Libs get excited over communism

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Ah yes, communist countries such as Belgium, Denmark, Lithuania, Norway and Slovenia who also offer free childcare.

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Should we accept their socialist refugees to make you happy?

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Is the line of Norwegian immigrants getting out of control?

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using Europe to support your position actually has the opposite intended effect. hth!

Spotted Ag said:

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Ah yes, taxpaying citizens work their ass of and then get the pleasure of their tax dollars paying for other lazy ass adults' crotch fruit's healthcare. Now the care they actually pay for, for themselves, will be lower quality. Long live socialism. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

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That might be the most hateful thing I've read today (and that says alot).

Hullabaloonatic said:

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TAMUallen said:

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Libs get excited over communism

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Ah yes, communist countries such as Belgium, Denmark, Lithuania, Norway and Slovenia who also offer free childcare.

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Yes, I was just in 3 of those countries in the last week and guess what? It's not free they pay high taxes. That's the part you idgits never realize. I guess as long as you are not paying you consider it free but for the rest of us it's anything but free. Oh you can also look for the costs of childcare to skyrocket while at the same time quality go down because like everything our government touches it will go to **** but at least it will be expensive *****

Sooooooo 500,000 kids 18 or under in NM roughly….apparently parents pay $12,000 a year for care according to this story….so that's $6 Billion annually. The states budget is $10 Billion for 2025…..something isn't jiving.

(Yes I realize a number of those kids are covered under public ed funding)

Hullabaloonatic said:

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carl spacklers hat said:

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I never celebrate Socialism. There are no freebies, somebody, somewhere is paying. Bad New Mexico.

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You don't celebrate Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid?

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Nope. End them today.

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Kvetch said:

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Why is this awesome? Now you're going to have to pay higher taxes and still send your kid to private child care because the quality of the state run system will be subpar to say the least.

But hey, at least moms can work longer hours in the widget factory to make money to pay for child care.

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1. It's about choice. Right now, a lot of families, especially mothers, don't have the option to stay in the workforce because childcare is so expensive.

2. The higher workforce participation doesn't just benefit "the widget factory", it grows the economy, raises tax revenues, and strengthens social programs.

3. Wouldn't this be the type of investment conservatives want our tax dollars to go to? Encouraging the natural born expansion of the American family unit while providing maximum economic participation.

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I never want my tax dollars going to support individual family needs.

If you have to let the government raise your kids, you probably shouldn't be having them.

Hullabaloonatic said:

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Spotted Ag said:

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Ah yes, taxpaying citizens work their ass of and then get the pleasure of their tax dollars paying for other lazy ass adults' crotch fruit's healthcare. Now the care they actually pay for, for themselves, will be lower quality. Long live socialism. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

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That might be the most hateful thing I've read today (and that says alot).

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hoo boy...we're back to the 'hate' tactic again. ok then, you've written today's dumbest stuff right here on this thread. take your tears to the Sanctimony board.

pirmag said:

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who will pay for it?

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The same way we pay for billions of extra dollars to be spent on ICE, the military, and Israel. Spending money on these things is never questioned. Spending money on things that helps everyday people? That is scrutinized to the max.

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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carl spacklers hat said:

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I never celebrate Socialism. There are no freebies, somebody, somewhere is paying. Bad New Mexico.

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You don't celebrate Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid?

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Nope. End them today.

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Surely OP somehow has a "got you" in their head

Socialist programs have ruined America and are trying to foster communism.

Let's have Fauci be our POTUS

Hullabaloonatic said:

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Spotted Ag said:

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Ah yes, taxpaying citizens work their ass of and then get the pleasure of their tax dollars paying for other lazy ass adults' crotch fruit's healthcare. Now the care they actually pay for, for themselves, will be lower quality. Long live socialism. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

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That might be the most hateful thing I've read today (and that says alot).

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Reality is always hateful for those who live in delusion.

Hullabaloonatic said:

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That might be the most hateful thing I've read today (and that says alot).

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I bet I could fix that.

Hullabaloonatic said:

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carl spacklers hat said:

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I never celebrate Socialism. There are no freebies, somebody, somewhere is paying. Bad New Mexico.

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You don't celebrate Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid?

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Are you crazy? No, I am serious are you crazy? Do you think those social programs should be celebrated? You do know they are one of the biggest reasons this country is in 37.5 trillion debt, accounting for more than 1/3 of our annual expenditures don't you? They are a shining example of what happens when you let government run large social programs. They are expensive, inefficient and let's be honest insolvent but hey just print more money or "tax" the mean old billionaires that are "paying their fair share" amirite?

Tom Fox said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Kvetch said:

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Why is this awesome? Now you're going to have to pay higher taxes and still send your kid to private child care because the quality of the state run system will be subpar to say the least.

But hey, at least moms can work longer hours in the widget factory to make money to pay for child care.

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1. It's about choice. Right now, a lot of families, especially mothers, don't have the option to stay in the workforce because childcare is so expensive.

2. The higher workforce participation doesn't just benefit "the widget factory", it grows the economy, raises tax revenues, and strengthens social programs.

3. Wouldn't this be the type of investment conservatives want our tax dollars to go to? Encouraging the natural born expansion of the American family unit while providing maximum economic participation.

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I never want my tax dollars going to support individual family needs.

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No it's not. If you can't afford kids, don't have kids. Far too many idiots procreating on the public dime.

Sims said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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carl spacklers hat said:

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I never celebrate Socialism. There are no freebies, somebody, somewhere is paying. Bad New Mexico.

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You don't celebrate Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid?

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War on Poverty...somehow we've spent over $30,000,000,000,000 to help people take care of themselves and here we are still...

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In the history of our nation, no program has lifted more people out of poverty than Social Security. By almost every metric, SS is arguably the most successful government policy the nation has ever created. A program that by design funds itself through FICA and has no impact on the deficit, budget, or debt.

Hullabaloonatic said:

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Spotted Ag said:

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Ah yes, taxpaying citizens work their ass of and then get the pleasure of their tax dollars paying for other lazy ass adults' crotch fruit's healthcare. Now the care they actually pay for, for themselves, will be lower quality. Long live socialism. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

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That might be the most hateful thing I've read today (and that says alot).

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The fired TAMU professor/pedo now has a new place to groom children.

Slicer97 said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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That might be the most hateful thing I've read today (and that says alot).

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I bet I could fix that.

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AggieKatie2 said:

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Sooooooo 500,000 kids 18 or under in NM roughly….apparently parents pay $12,000 a year for care according to this story….so that's $6 Billion annually. The states budget is $10 Billion for 2025…..something isn't jiving.

(Yes I realize a number of those kids are covered under public ed funding)

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The program is for babies and toddlers. Read before you comment.

Hullabaloonatic said:

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Sims said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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carl spacklers hat said:

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I never celebrate Socialism. There are no freebies, somebody, somewhere is paying. Bad New Mexico.

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You don't celebrate Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid?

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War on Poverty...somehow we've spent over $30,000,000,000,000 to help people take care of themselves and here we are still...

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In the history of our nation, no program has lifted more people out of poverty than Social Security. By almost every metric, SS is arguably the most successful government policy the nation has ever created. A program that by design funds itself through FICA and has no impact on the deficit, budget, or debt.

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Source?

State-funded even earlier indoctrination of the most vulnerable of children. Sounds like something Hitler-like plantation owners would support.

RAB87 said:

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The fired TAMU professor/pedo now has a new place to groom children.

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She was an expert in biology!

Hullabaloonatic said:

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Sims said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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carl spacklers hat said:

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I never celebrate Socialism. There are no freebies, somebody, somewhere is paying. Bad New Mexico.

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You don't celebrate Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid?

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War on Poverty...somehow we've spent over $30,000,000,000,000 to help people take care of themselves and here we are still...

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In the history of our nation, no program has lifted more people out of poverty than Social Security. By almost every metric, SS is arguably the most successful government policy the nation has ever created. A program that by design funds itself through FICA and has no impact on the deficit, budget, or debt.

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Noticed our national debt lately?

You're living in a fantasy land.

Hullabaloonatic said:

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TAMUallen said:

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Libs get excited over communism

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Ah yes, communist countries such as Belgium, Denmark, Lithuania, Norway and Slovenia who also offer free childcare.

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Oh to live in a country protected by the defensive spending of another.

Sure would be nice.

I'm all for it if they are paying for it using their own state taxes. 50 states, 50 ways of experimenting to see what works. If they can afford it and taxpayers want to pay for it, that's their business. I'm glad I don't live there and have to pay for others peoples choices in this regard. I am wondering though if they are ultimately paying for this through federal dollars somehow. If it was being paid for by private charity, that would be much better.

We never payed out of pocket for our child care at the infant and toddler stages and we certainly would have never asked taxpayers to pay for ours if we did. We did pay for half day pre-school a couple days a week for socialization purposes for us as a whole family and our children. But that was really just to start the process of building relationships with families our children would be attending school with in the years ahead. All of that was with private funding at a private pre school. No government involved.

We made hard choices and lived within our means in order to have full time care of our children by their biological parents during their ages where parental supervision is vitally important and necessary. Certainly understand that is not possible for all families, but the world would be a better place if that was still the expectation and norm while the alternative is a back up plan when things go south for a child (produce of divorce, abuse, death, etc).

When government grows its presence as a replacement for the nuclear family, the outcomes are not as promising. I don't have a lot of faith that this is going to turn things around for a struggling state like New Mexico, which has problems that simply don't exist or minimally exist historically with countries like Belgium and Denmark.

I guess we will find out in about 10-20 years or so.

Hullabaloonatic said:

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Sims said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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carl spacklers hat said:

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I never celebrate Socialism. There are no freebies, somebody, somewhere is paying. Bad New Mexico.

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You don't celebrate Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid?

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War on Poverty...somehow we've spent over $30,000,000,000,000 to help people take care of themselves and here we are still...

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In the history of our nation, no program has lifted more people out of poverty than Social Security. By almost every metric, SS is arguably the most successful government policy the nation has ever created. A program that by design funds itself through FICA and has no impact on the deficit, budget, or debt.

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And will be insolvent in just a few years.
You're batting 1.000 today buddy!

Hullabaloonatic said:

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TAMUallen said:

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Libs get excited over communism

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Ah yes, communist countries such as Belgium, Denmark, Lithuania, Norway and Slovenia who also offer free childcare.

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All of those places the size of a postage stamp.

It is neither awesome nor free. If you cannot afford to raise your own children, don't rely on others to do it for you.

Hullabaloonatic said:

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In the history of our nation, no program has lifted more people out of poverty than Social Security. By almost every metric, SS is arguably the most successful government policy the nation has ever created. A program that by design funds itself through FICA and has no impact on the deficit, budget, or debt.

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Have you ever considered a career as a fiction writer?