Man, I hate to leave this funfest, but, alas, work meetings call.

CDUB98 said:

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Man, I hate to leave this funfest, but, alas, work meetings call.

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F16 is becoming great again, dont leave the party

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agracer said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Family/new-mexico-1st-state-offer-universal-child-care/story?id=125411997

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New Mexico has become the first state in the country to guarantee universal child care to families residing in the state.

New Mexico families will be eligible for free child care for infants and toddlers starting Nov. 1, no matter their incomes. The groundbreaking initiative will require no co-pays from families.

The typical New Mexico family is expected to save over $12,000 per child annually with the initiative.

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This is awesome. Hope it serves as a (positive) test case for other states to follow suit!

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It's stupid. You're child, your choice, right liberals?

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Classic republican. They pretend to value children only until they're born then it's not 'their' problem anymore.

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Their children are their problem, the children other people bring into the world (but cannot afford to have) are not.

DarkBrandon01 said:

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pirmag said:

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who will pay for it?

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The same way we pay for billions of extra dollars to be spent on ICE, the military, and Israel. Spending money on these things is never questioned. Spending money on things that helps everyday people? That is scrutinized to the max.

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All the family members who have had relatives murdered, raped or attacked by the illegal aliens President Biden's administration let in disagree.

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ETFan said:

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Good bull.

I'm shocked to see conservatives up in arms over post-birth [literally anything to help American families].

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Bless your heart...

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"If you don't believe in barbarically ripping apart the most precious of life on earth, you have to devote your life to raising and financially sponsoring other peoples children, otherwise you're a hypocrite...hey look! That man tampered with a few sea turtle eggs, fine him $100k...lock him up!"

We need to open up the MF mental asylums ASAP.

DarkBrandon01 said:

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pirmag said:

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who will pay for it?

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The same way we pay for billions of extra dollars to be spent on ICE, the military, and Israel. Spending money on these things is never questioned. Spending money on things that helps everyday people? That is scrutinized to the max.

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Are you capable of posting without it being 100% untrue?

This board critizices all three regularly.

BTKAG97 said:

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DarkBrandon01 said:

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pirmag said:

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who will pay for it?

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The same way we pay for billions of extra dollars to be spent on ICE, the military, and Israel. Spending money on these things is never questioned. Spending money on things that helps everyday people? That is scrutinized to the max.

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Are you capable of posting without it being 100% untrue?

This board critizices all three regularly.

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Doesn't understand what conservative is

Hullabaloonatic said:

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https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Family/new-mexico-1st-state-offer-universal-child-care/story?id=125411997

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New Mexico has become the first state in the country to guarantee universal child care to families residing in the state.

New Mexico families will be eligible for free child care for infants and toddlers starting Nov. 1, no matter their incomes. The groundbreaking initiative will require no co-pays from families.

The typical New Mexico family is expected to save over $12,000 per child annually with the initiative.

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This is awesome. Hope it serves as a (positive) test case for other states to follow suit!

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Sounds like child prison to me

not interested in sending my child to a prison camp so I can go out drinking but you do you I guess

Hullabaloonatic said:

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Sims said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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carl spacklers hat said:

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I never celebrate Socialism. There are no freebies, somebody, somewhere is paying. Bad New Mexico.

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You don't celebrate Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid?

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War on Poverty...somehow we've spent over $30,000,000,000,000 to help people take care of themselves and here we are still...

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In the history of our nation, no program has lifted more people out of poverty than Social Security. By almost every metric, SS is arguably the most successful government policy the nation has ever created. A program that by design funds itself through FICA and has no impact on the deficit, budget, or debt.

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Hey Google, "How much FICA goes into Social Security each year nationwide?"

"Estimates from the Social Security Administration (SSA) indicate that around $1.17 trillion in FICA taxes was directed to Social Security in 2023"

Hey Google, "How many dollars in social security benefits are paid out annually?

"In fiscal year 2023, the Social Security Administration paid out approximately $1.38 trillion in benefits, while projections for 2025 estimate the total annual payout to be around $1.6 trillion."

TexasAggie_97 said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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carl spacklers hat said:

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I never celebrate Socialism. There are no freebies, somebody, somewhere is paying. Bad New Mexico.

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You don't celebrate Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid?

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Are you crazy? No, I am serious are you crazy? Do you think those social programs should be celebrated? You do know they are one of the biggest reasons this country is in 37.5 trillion debt, accounting for more than 1/3 of our annual expenditures don't you? They are a shining example of what happens when you let government run large social programs. They are expensive, inefficient and let's be honest insolvent but hey just print more money or "tax" the mean old billionaires that are "paying their fair share" amirite?

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You left out the amount of grift going into politicians pockets.

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CDUB98 said:

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Man, I hate to leave this funfest, but, alas, work meetings call.

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F16 is becoming great again, dont leave the party

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Organizer cancelled meeting. I've got a 30 minute reprieve.

CDUB98 said:

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TAMUallen said:

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CDUB98 said:

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Man, I hate to leave this funfest, but, alas, work meetings call.

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F16 is becoming great again, dont leave the party

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Organizer cancelled meeting. I've got a 30 minute reprieve.

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Divive intervention in action

New Mexico should add a line to their income tax returns. It should state "Please reduce my refund, or increase what I owe, by $XXXX and use it to fund child care.

I bet they would raise a couple thousand dollars easily.

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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carl spacklers hat said:

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I never celebrate Socialism. There are no freebies, somebody, somewhere is paying. Bad New Mexico.

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You don't celebrate Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid?

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You mean the three things bankrupting America?

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Tax cuts?

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I used Google for this search, I assume that you trust Google still…

In 2015 the US Government took in $3.3 trillion in taxes, in 2024 we took in right at $5 trillion and that is with tax cuts built in…so we have had a $1.7 trillion increase in the amount of taxes taken in per year and yet we need to increase taxes? Seems like we have a spending problem…

pirmag said:

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who will pay for it?

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The same people paying for the billions to Ukraine and Israel

ETFan said:

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Good bull.

I'm shocked to see conservatives up in arms over post-birth [literally anything to help American families].

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Tell you what, stop sending money oversees and I'll consider free day care.

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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carl spacklers hat said:

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I never celebrate Socialism. There are no freebies, somebody, somewhere is paying. Bad New Mexico.

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You don't celebrate Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid?

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You mean the three things bankrupting America?

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Tax cuts?

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Let's try this approach. How much do you pay annually in net federal income taxes? Ballpark it. And what its your effective tax rate?

Childcare, not healthcare.

It would be great if this somehow worked out with limited impact on us taxpayers. I know it won't but if it somehow did, I'd believe it would be a net positive.

So awesome only a commie can love it.

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Texaggie7nine said:

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I will watch with curiosity to see how it works. I'm glad this is a state thing and not the federal gov doing it.
Our taxes already pay for childcare for school age kids, this just extends it to birth.

I think it will probably not work out economically, but I'm interested to see how it goes.

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This might be an indication of how well it will work given the implementer...

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I would like to see this minus federal money being kicked over for highways

Texas is enormous and receives a lot of federal funding for interstate highways that are for the good of the country

New York is tiny with a large population.

Point being the kind of money we're getting from the feds. It's probably not quite the same type of money that other states are getting.

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Not sure in these numbers but often these number include military spending within the state, if a state has a large %age of its population in the military it skews the numbers.

Hullabaloonatic said:

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agracer said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Family/new-mexico-1st-state-offer-universal-child-care/story?id=125411997

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New Mexico has become the first state in the country to guarantee universal child care to families residing in the state.

New Mexico families will be eligible for free child care for infants and toddlers starting Nov. 1, no matter their incomes. The groundbreaking initiative will require no co-pays from families.

The typical New Mexico family is expected to save over $12,000 per child annually with the initiative.

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This is awesome. Hope it serves as a (positive) test case for other states to follow suit!

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It's stupid. You're child, your choice, right liberals?

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Classic republican. They pretend to value children only until they're born then it's not 'their' problem anymore.

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You can't see the difference between ripping a fetus apart killing it and not completely funding child care?

Literally the definition of "nanny state"

ETFan said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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carl spacklers hat said:

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I never celebrate Socialism. There are no freebies, somebody, somewhere is paying. Bad New Mexico.

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You don't celebrate Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid?

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You mean the three things bankrupting America?

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Tax cuts?

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I may have missed it, but seems after every federal tax cut government revenue increased.

The guaranteed outcome (not if, when):
- program success(!!) will be touted
- freeloading families with 8 kids will move in
- subsidized housing will be expanded to house these new New Mexicans
- program will be expanded to cover more folks
- taxes will be substantially raised on the "rich" to cover the shortfall
- the "rich" will begin to move out

Btw did they pass a companion bill to confiscate wealth from those moving out? If not they better get busy.

Direct Enter Enter said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Sims said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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carl spacklers hat said:

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I never celebrate Socialism. There are no freebies, somebody, somewhere is paying. Bad New Mexico.

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You don't celebrate Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid?

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War on Poverty...somehow we've spent over $30,000,000,000,000 to help people take care of themselves and here we are still...

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In the history of our nation, no program has lifted more people out of poverty than Social Security. By almost every metric, SS is arguably the most successful government policy the nation has ever created. A program that by design funds itself through FICA and has no impact on the deficit, budget, or debt.

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Hey Google, "How much FICA goes into Social Security each year nationwide?"

"Estimates from the Social Security Administration (SSA) indicate that around $1.17 trillion in FICA taxes was directed to Social Security in 2023"

Hey Google, "How many dollars in social security benefits are paid out annually?

"In fiscal year 2023, the Social Security Administration paid out approximately $1.38 trillion in benefits, while projections for 2025 estimate the total annual payout to be around $1.6 trillion."

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James Clapper would call that the "kill shot".

MelvinUdall said:

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ETFan said:

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Good bull.

I'm shocked to see conservatives up in arms over post-birth [literally anything to help American families].

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I'm shocked that the left thinks this is free childcare.

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For you and the other dozen posters who think this is some clever point, literally EVERYONE understands government subsidized programs are paid through taxes.

It's not scoring a point to play the semantics game over the word choice 'free' (a word I never used, but was posted in the article) when literally everyone understands how social services work.

YouBet said:

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Incredible how dumb the supporters are of this. Zero understanding of economics or human behavior. The worst state in the country making itself even worse with more government welfare.

And then using the old tactic of comparing this to small, largely mono-ethnic white countries that have wholly differetn cultures than what New Mexico has. Comparing the people of AQB to Norway? Laughably stupid and embarrassing.

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I wasn't comparing the US to those countries but highlighting the brain dead response about 'communism' when the only countries that provide completely free childcare are not communist.

Basically, this board has an issue where the govt providing ANY sort of social services is communist (just a basic definitional and practical delusion).

Hullabaloonatic said:

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YouBet said:

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Incredible how dumb the supporters are of this. Zero understanding of economics or human behavior. The worst state in the country making itself even worse with more government welfare.

And then using the old tactic of comparing this to small, largely mono-ethnic white countries that have wholly differetn cultures than what New Mexico has. Comparing the people of AQB to Norway? Laughably stupid and embarrassing.

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I wasn't comparing the US to those countries but highlighting the brain dead response about 'communism' when the only countries that provide completely free childcare are not communist.

Basically, this board has an issue where the govt providing ANY sort of social services is communist (just a basic definitional and practical delusion).

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Hey man why not just do what's best for the kids and implement craddle to the grave UBI? It's always best for parents to raise their kids so just pay parents to stay home and raise their kids I mean that's better right? What we need is more people dependent on the government not less, right?

Direct Enter Enter said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Sims said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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carl spacklers hat said:

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I never celebrate Socialism. There are no freebies, somebody, somewhere is paying. Bad New Mexico.

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You don't celebrate Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid?

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War on Poverty...somehow we've spent over $30,000,000,000,000 to help people take care of themselves and here we are still...

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In the history of our nation, no program has lifted more people out of poverty than Social Security. By almost every metric, SS is arguably the most successful government policy the nation has ever created. A program that by design funds itself through FICA and has no impact on the deficit, budget, or debt.

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Hey Google, "How much FICA goes into Social Security each year nationwide?"

"Estimates from the Social Security Administration (SSA) indicate that around $1.17 trillion in FICA taxes was directed to Social Security in 2023"

Hey Google, "How many dollars in social security benefits are paid out annually?

"In fiscal year 2023, the Social Security Administration paid out approximately $1.38 trillion in benefits, while projections for 2025 estimate the total annual payout to be around $1.6 trillion."

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Hey Google, "Explain the difference between the Social Security program and the Social Security Trust Fund"

^I already explained this, so please do yourself and me a favor and educate yourself on SS, how the money spent is collected, and the difference between that and the discretionary annual budget.

richardag said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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agracer said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Family/new-mexico-1st-state-offer-universal-child-care/story?id=125411997

Quote:

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New Mexico has become the first state in the country to guarantee universal child care to families residing in the state.

New Mexico families will be eligible for free child care for infants and toddlers starting Nov. 1, no matter their incomes. The groundbreaking initiative will require no co-pays from families.

The typical New Mexico family is expected to save over $12,000 per child annually with the initiative.

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This is awesome. Hope it serves as a (positive) test case for other states to follow suit!

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It's stupid. You're child, your choice, right liberals?

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Classic republican. They pretend to value children only until they're born then it's not 'their' problem anymore.

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You can't see the difference between ripping a fetus apart killing it and not completely funding child care?

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You demand women carry pregnancies to term and then shrug when families need support raising those children. That's not "pro-life," that's just pro-birth.

So yes, I absolutely see the difference.

TexasAggie_97 said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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YouBet said:

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Incredible how dumb the supporters are of this. Zero understanding of economics or human behavior. The worst state in the country making itself even worse with more government welfare.

And then using the old tactic of comparing this to small, largely mono-ethnic white countries that have wholly differetn cultures than what New Mexico has. Comparing the people of AQB to Norway? Laughably stupid and embarrassing.

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I wasn't comparing the US to those countries but highlighting the brain dead response about 'communism' when the only countries that provide completely free childcare are not communist.

Basically, this board has an issue where the govt providing ANY sort of social services is communist (just a basic definitional and practical delusion).

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Hey man why not just do what's best for the kids and implement craddle to the grave UBI? It's always best for parents to raise their kids so just pay parents to stay home and raise their kids I mean that's better right? What we need is more people dependent on the government not less, right?

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You are great at setting up a straw man. I'll let you beat it yourself.

Hullabaloonatic said:

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Direct Enter Enter said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Sims said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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carl spacklers hat said:

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I never celebrate Socialism. There are no freebies, somebody, somewhere is paying. Bad New Mexico.

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You don't celebrate Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid?

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War on Poverty...somehow we've spent over $30,000,000,000,000 to help people take care of themselves and here we are still...

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In the history of our nation, no program has lifted more people out of poverty than Social Security. By almost every metric, SS is arguably the most successful government policy the nation has ever created. A program that by design funds itself through FICA and has no impact on the deficit, budget, or debt.

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Hey Google, "How much FICA goes into Social Security each year nationwide?"

"Estimates from the Social Security Administration (SSA) indicate that around $1.17 trillion in FICA taxes was directed to Social Security in 2023"

Hey Google, "How many dollars in social security benefits are paid out annually?

"In fiscal year 2023, the Social Security Administration paid out approximately $1.38 trillion in benefits, while projections for 2025 estimate the total annual payout to be around $1.6 trillion."

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Hey Google, "Explain the difference between the Social Security program and the Social Security Trust Fund"

^I already explained this, so please do yourself and me a favor and educate yourself on SS, how the money spent is collected, and the difference between that and the discretionary annual budget.

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You're pointing to the 5'-6' area of the pool and calling it something different than the rest of the pool and expecting it to matter what it is called. It doesn't matter what it is called, it works in reality the same way as the rest of the budget because there IS NO TRUST FUND, only the general budget.

Hullabaloonatic said:

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Direct Enter Enter said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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Sims said:

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Hullabaloonatic said:

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carl spacklers hat said:

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I never celebrate Socialism. There are no freebies, somebody, somewhere is paying. Bad New Mexico.

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You don't celebrate Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid?

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War on Poverty...somehow we've spent over $30,000,000,000,000 to help people take care of themselves and here we are still...

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In the history of our nation, no program has lifted more people out of poverty than Social Security. By almost every metric, SS is arguably the most successful government policy the nation has ever created. A program that by design funds itself through FICA and has no impact on the deficit, budget, or debt.

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Hey Google, "How much FICA goes into Social Security each year nationwide?"

"Estimates from the Social Security Administration (SSA) indicate that around $1.17 trillion in FICA taxes was directed to Social Security in 2023"

Hey Google, "How many dollars in social security benefits are paid out annually?

"In fiscal year 2023, the Social Security Administration paid out approximately $1.38 trillion in benefits, while projections for 2025 estimate the total annual payout to be around $1.6 trillion."

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Hey Google, "Explain the difference between the Social Security program and the Social Security Trust Fund"

^I already explained this, so please do yourself and me a favor and educate yourself on SS, how the money spent is collected, and the difference between that and the discretionary annual budget.

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Now go ahead and talk about what the program has to do when they have shortfalls. I am sure that you know it involves issuing debt in the form or Treasury bonds which then have to be paid back with interest usually over a 10-30 year period. Again it's the world's largest ponzi scheme where we are all forced to pay more into a program then we will ever get out of it.