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Again, I'm all ears.

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Your previous posts in this conversation prove otherwise.

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Please share your explanation about the 90% being scared of the 10%.

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Reading isn't your strong suit is it?

I think the 90% is scared of the 10% because the shenanigans are allowed to continue unabated. The stories I did share and you dismissed cited examples of where that played out.

You can say I am dead wrong (and you did) and I may be. But something allows these incidents to continue.

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I guess I'm unsure of who I'm supposed to be scared of? This state votes Republican significantly more than Democratically and it would make sense that teachers would follow those numbers closely in most cases. More than likely they follow the voting stats of the county they're in.

So who is it that we should be scared of? Maybe I'm just too stupid to know otherwise, because if I want to, I share my opinions freely.

All I can say is thank God my wife and I were able to sacrifice and never had our kids in public school at all. She is a public school teacher and that's one of the big reasons why my kids never went, despite being in pretty good school district.

Parents? We all know when it comes to nut cutting time, admin sides with the parents over the teachers.

Lawsuits?

Bad press?

Peer pressure?

The wrath of superiors for bringing unwanted attention?

On non-woke matters, I have seen firsthand teachers not wanting to bring matters to their admin because they feared retribution of some kind. I've been in IEP meetings where teachers and staff bit their tongues as they side eyed the lawyers and the principal.

Good for you if you call it out when it comes to your attention. Your reaction here indicates you are more likely to ignore it and say "noted" like the VP from my story.

What I don't understand is why it's such a hot button issue for you? When I posted it, I was intending it as positive message that most staff aren't there to be indoctrinating our kids and that they just get run over by the radical teachers that think they are doing "social justice". For me, being silenced explains it. It certainly hasnt been getting called out and addressed until recently.

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Its 90% woke administrators completely unwilling to hold students accountable for their behavior because that would be a microaggression

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90% of administrators are woke or the 90% of woke administrators. Are these campus admin or esc admin? I can tell you right now that I've never worked for a single woke campus administrator.

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A woke individual from the perspective of a hard lefty is normal, not woke.

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Parents? We all know when it comes to nut cutting time, admin sides with the parents over the teachers.

Lawsuits?

Bad press?

Peer pressure?

The wrath of superiors for bringing unwanted attention?

On non-woke matters, I have seen firsthand teachers not wanting to bring matters to their admin because they feared retribution of some kind. I've been in IEP meetings where teachers and staff bit their tongues as they side eyed the lawyers and the principal.

Good for you if you call it out when it comes to your attention. Your reaction here indicates you are more likely to ignore it and say "noted" like the VP from my story.

What I don't understand is why it's such a hot button issue for you? When I posted it, I was intending it as positive message that most staff aren't there to be indoctrinating our kids and that they just get run over by the radical teachers that think they are doing "social justice". For me, being silenced explains it. It certainly hasnt been getting called out and addressed until recently.

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I've not run into any teacher that was pushing radical social justice. The only bull**** I called out was the teacher pushing their anti-gun stuff on their art class and I let them know that it wasn't going to be discussed and admin took care of the issue.

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our education systems failures is a symptom of our overall failures as a society.

it all started with taking god out of the equation and here we are.

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Instead of teaching the Ten Commandments, we need to be teaching the Baghavad Gita. The Hindus are running laps around the Christians in school

As an educator watching all the noneducators explain what's wrong with the education system

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I don't think 90% are woke. But I do think 90% of them are scared of the 10% who are.

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90% of district level admin who set district policy are woke, and it gets more concentrated the higher up the totum pole you go.

I guarantee you that the jump from AP to P requires some woke credentials in any major school distritc high school, or at least the willingness to bend the knee.

You don't get district policies like "no zeros allowed on homework" if you have conservative district leaders who believe in personal responsibility and accountability.

So if a parent who chooses a private school to send their kids to, and they do really well in college. Shouldn't those results indicate that the private school teaching model is better?

My kids went to a private school and they did well, class rooms were controlled, trouble kids were tossed from the classroom and crushed college. The boys were mature, well adjusted, good work ethics and both crushed college.

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The problem with this thinking is while you are in up to your eyes, everyone else is in waist deep.

We are all connected to the system in some way - usually multiple ways. That's not saying we know more than you or even as much as you. But we see things that are undeniable problems.

Massive numbers of people aren't making big sacrifices to switch to homeschool and private school because of internet rumors.

I have lots of empathy for the teachers in all of this and think they are overloaded with too many responsibilities and burdened with fixing problems that aren't theirs to fix.

But I am a little fascinated watching them desperately defend a system that they themselves ***** about so much. And I understand part of it. They feel caught up in the criticism.

You may despise people not in the classroom commenting on the problems, but it's being run almost entirely by professional educators…how's that working out for you?

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All I can say is thank God my wife and I were able to sacrifice and never had our kids in public school at all. She is a public school teacher and that's one of the big reasons why my kids never went, despite being in pretty good school district.

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There are some good public schools, I'm sure. But I am a big proponent of home schooling, if you can't afford a good private school.

How about we privatize and let the free market reveal to us who is to blame?

Schools that diagnose the problem correctly will thrive, those that diagnose it incorrectly will fail.

Boom problem solved.

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As an educator watching all the noneducators explain what's wrong with the education system

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Educators have been running the system with no dollar spared.

Why haven't you fixed it?

Government keeps ****ing it up.

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You forgot swimming and gun safety.

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If swimming were mandatory back where I'm from, 80% of the class would fail.

If public schools were a business they would be bankrupt. I'm for privatizing schools and forcing them to compete and the good ones will survive.

Not everything can be a business. That's where the government actually does a good thing. Things that aren't going to be incentivized for short sighted profits allow for people progress to happen.

If education was only privatized, would you have gone to school? were you in a situation that your parents could have afforded to send you, and if you have siblings to school?

How many of you are in the situation today because your folks were just good enough to get you in a school, but not good enough to send you to private school?

That's not the case in my experience.

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Are you saying public education is being run well?

Great another homeboy sock.

I accept that.

It's a shame you can't accept others have had different experiences.

The obvious policy solution is to starve the public schools, which will drive out the quality teachers and collapse the system. Burn it down. Replace with private schools. Profit. Fortunately the leaders in Texas get this.

The system as a whole isn't being starved. Parts of it may be, but that's because of misplaced priorities.

And yes, that's largely on the voters.

And that's what happens in a government run system where other peoples money is being spent.

Private systems would clean that up.

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Parents? We all know when it comes to nut cutting time, admin sides with the parents over the teachers.

Lawsuits?

Bad press?

Peer pressure?

The wrath of superiors for bringing unwanted attention?

On non-woke matters, I have seen firsthand teachers not wanting to bring matters to their admin because they feared retribution of some kind. I've been in IEP meetings where teachers and staff bit their tongues as they side eyed the lawyers and the principal.

Good for you if you call it out when it comes to your attention. Your reaction here indicates you are more likely to ignore it and say "noted" like the VP from my story.

What I don't understand is why it's such a hot button issue for you? When I posted it, I was intending it as positive message that most staff aren't there to be indoctrinating our kids and that they just get run over by the radical teachers that think they are doing "social justice". For me, being silenced explains it. It certainly hasnt been getting called out and addressed until recently.

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I've not run into any teacher that was pushing radical social justice. The only bull**** I called out was the teacher pushing their anti-gun stuff on their art class and I let them know that it wasn't going to be discussed and admin took care of the issue.

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And your kids go where? Why is your anecdote relevant?

Do you deny that woke leftinism is school policies are a problem.

Government is inefficient, ineffective and not really good at much including being involved with schools. I don't think public education is an example of something well run

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I accept that.

It's a shame you can't accept others have had different experiences.

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Again, I'm all ears.

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Parents? We all know when it comes to nut cutting time, admin sides with the parents over the teachers.

Lawsuits?

Bad press?

Peer pressure?

The wrath of superiors for bringing unwanted attention?

On non-woke matters, I have seen firsthand teachers not wanting to bring matters to their admin because they feared retribution of some kind. I've been in IEP meetings where teachers and staff bit their tongues as they side eyed the lawyers and the principal.

Good for you if you call it out when it comes to your attention. Your reaction here indicates you are more likely to ignore it and say "noted" like the VP from my story.

What I don't understand is why it's such a hot button issue for you? When I posted it, I was intending it as positive message that most staff aren't there to be indoctrinating our kids and that they just get run over by the radical teachers that think they are doing "social justice". For me, being silenced explains it. It certainly hasnt been getting called out and addressed until recently.

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I've not run into any teacher that was pushing radical social justice. The only bull**** I called out was the teacher pushing their anti-gun stuff on their art class and I let them know that it wasn't going to be discussed and admin took care of the issue.

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And your kids go where? Why is your anecdote relevant?

Do you deny that woke leftinism is school policies are a problem.

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My kids go to schools in Katy ISD and we've not run into any woke ideology. I'm sure there are examples of it but our school board is fairly normal and I can't think of any woke ideology that they've pushed on us. Thankfully they are going back to teaching phonics but whole word instruction isn't woke.

Yes, woke leftism is a problem in schools. Ask harder questions.

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Again, where are the stories of the 90% being scared?

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wouldn't matter. You would call them anecdotal.

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You are wasting your time with that poster.....

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Government keeps ****ing it up.

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So we agree! Remove govt from schooling!

(And in case you think this hyperbolic: when's the last time you saw an upper class parent send their kid to a govt school. Those with options abandon the construct.)

Education in this country started on a downward slope with the creation of the department of education in the 1970s.

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our education systems failures is a symptom of our overall failures as a society.

it all started with taking god out of the equation and here we are.

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When we gave over the God-given blessings and responsibilities in the God- ordained structure of the family of one man/father married to one woman/mother, so that that union has been greatly destroyed, to the government in various forms, we allowed those godless forms to become the parents to feed, clothe, guide, and raise the children of those broken families. We thereby gave those children over to something that is incapable of loving, giving moral guidance, caring for their spiritual, physical, and emotional well-being. Choices have consequences and we are eating the bitter fruit of sinful acts and consequences of choice.

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Government keeps ****ing it up.

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So we agree! Remove govt from schooling!

(And in case you think this hyperbolic: when's the last time you saw an upper class parent send their kid to a govt school. Those with options abandon the construct.)

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Ummm, my wife has students whose parents are doctors and attorneys. They could readily afford to send their kids to private school. So they certainly exist.

Getting government out of schools isn't the solution. There certainly needs to be less government involvement. But the latest round of legislation from Texas certainly isn't helping things.

In public schools, the kids have to basically teach themselves. Kids that can teach themselves do well. We told our kids this early and it also helps with college where they have to learn for themselves as well.