Nah - the failure point for public schools is structural.

Learning occurs in numerous forms. Experimentation, revelation, discussion, exploration, direct instruction, practice, research, lecture, teaching, observation, etc.

Regardless of version, engagement is key to learning.

The lecture based classroom will NEVER be an ideal learning environment. Especially in a pack of similarly aged children. The 1 room school house was superior in that children needed to learn from older kids and teach those below, which also taught them how to teach & interact with non-peers.

Modern public schools produce a common product (which is a really inhumane term for our children), and it's inherently mediocre.

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Those things are more basic than a lot of the things they learn in school. Honest question, if you don't trust the public schools to teach them things like social etiquette, why should we trust them to teach anything?

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The short answer, I don't.

Why would you trust them to teach your son to open a door for a lady and to stand when you shake a man's hand when we can't even trust them to get restrooms right? They have to have the legislature step in to have them put phones away. They can't even enforce a dress code. You think they are going to be the ones to teach my son to take his hat off in a building? How to have a proper conversation? Which fork to use? How in the world are they going to teach them to say grace over a meal? They don't learn those things from a lecture. They learn it from role models and a thump upside the head to remind them.

What do you think the behemoth grown on tax dolllars is going to teach them about taxes?

How likely is it that personal finance classes would be about getting a high credit score as opposed to sound financial decisions as the priority? These are the organizations that are donate food to the concession stands for fundraising and then sell them at cheaper than it cost the parent. They are so poor at money management, I have to get Amazon wish lists from my kid's teachers for basic classroom supplies. The idea they are going to give out sound financial advance is like asking me to give Phil Mickelson instruction on left-handed bunker shots.

Who appoints the commissioner of education in Texas?

Who dictates to the schools what is best for being taught in schools?

Who made it easy for parents to sue schools because they raised soft kids (which most of you are soft children, or raising soft children, because your child could do no wrong with your christian upbringing)

For the last 30 years, it has been conservatives.

How do local school districts determine who they hire? Via a school board which is elected by locals.

How are schools paid for? by local taxes and bonds. Who votes on these?

Just because one school is trying allow kids to have a place away from your hateful christian like self, doesn't mean it's woke.

And the crap y'all are saying that should be taught in schools? why can't you teach your kids how taxes work? Or basic economics? How your local elections work? Or which christian church is the right church, and who to hate? (well y'all already do a good job on that end).

Let's blame woke liberal BS, even though for 30+ years it has been under the supervision of conservatives, dummies.

Let's be willfully ignorant, and hypocritical on who we think is a good leader. Most of you who voted for trump wouldn't work for the guy, or think he is a good christian, with his multple wives, and felonies, and relationships with pedos, well, if you are catholic or part of the gate way church, maybe that latter is easily overlooked.

Lots of words.

Texas government is not conservative on many issues. Read any of my posts on the subject for all of this year.

Public education, overall is liberalism, whether an R or D is at the helm. But there are overwhelmingly more D than R running the show in education in Texas.

I'm for vouchers. I'm for competition. Bark up another tree.

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Are you suggesting our schools are not run by liberals? They most certainly are in most districts. Let's not forget the FWISD superintendent who couldn't send enough boys dressed as girls to shower with actual girls. The curriculum and mandates tend to be liberal as well.

Education is dominated by leftists, even in Texas.

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Why are voters in a very conservative state allowing this since they are in control of the state and most local governments?

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Let's blame woke liberal BS, even though for 30+ years it has been under the supervision of conservatives, dummies.

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Conservatives have been asleep the wheel for 30 years thinking schools were being run like when they were kids.

Those of us hiring young people have been sounding alarm bells for a while, but the real scrutiny didn't begin until Covid caused parents to look at what was being taught - and not being taught.

Where you have worst parenting and the most apparent breakdown of the family structure, you have the worst education, plain and simple.

Trump man bad argument in a thread about how liberals have entrenched themselves in the educational system at every level

Never change, libs

Its 90% woke administrators completely unwilling to hold students accountable for their behavior because that would be a microaggression

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Its 90% woke administrators completely unwilling to hold students accountable for their behavior because that would be a microaggression

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90% of administrators are woke or the 90% of woke administrators. Are these campus admin or esc admin? I can tell you right now that I've never worked for a single woke campus administrator.

Socialism is always a failure. Always.

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There are two big problems that won't get fixed anytime soon, and the bigger one is government, especially in Texas. We have leaders in Austin that treat teachers like crap, and they make it worse every two years. In the last twenty years, they've done one thing right: banning cellphones in classrooms. But the morons in Austin keep piling on more monitoring of this, more reporting of that, and nothing has gotten better. The ISDs have to hire more people to do all the paperwork that the state and federal government requires. And that leads to the second problem: a top-heavy administrative/management system. There's been explosive growth in administrative roles in schools to do all that useless crap, and those jobs cost money; a lot more than the teachers are getting paid. So instead of teachers that want to make a career out of actual teaching, you have people that view teaching as a necessary step to become an administrator; they're just in the classroom to get their years before they can apply for one of those jobs.

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This is the best post by a mile. It is exactly what is happening.

Those of you talking about electing Republicans or conservatives ignore the fact that most of the problems in the schools today are caused by laws and policies passed by Republicans. And it's really not close.

People get caught up in some post by a parent about a stupid teacher asking kids what their preferred pronouns ate(which may or may not even be true), but they completely ignore the fact that most of the bloat in admin is caused by legislation passed under Republican control.

I agree that we need more conservatives on school boards. But let's not pretend for a second that liberals are the problem with Texas schools. That's just not true at all.

I don't think 90% are woke. But I do think 90% of them are scared of the 10% who are.

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Why are voters in a very conservative state allowing this since they are in control of the state and most local governments?

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Do you somehow think I don't ask the same question? Of course the answer is apathy and not being aware. Those are also problems with our education system.

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I don't think 90% are woke. But I do think 90% of them are scared of the 10% who are.

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You're poorly informed then.

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Why are voters in a very conservative state allowing this since they are in control of the state and most local governments?

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Do you somehow think I don't ask the same question? Of course the answer is apathy and not being aware. Those are also problems with our education system.

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There are many conservatives in education in Texas but we need more. Unfortunately, too many aren't willing to make a sacrifice to improve their community.

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I don't think 90% are woke. But I do think 90% of them are scared of the 10% who are.

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One thing I discovered in my two years in teaching is that what the public thinks happens in schools and what actually happens in schools are two entirely different things.

How about stop wasting money on mega stadiums and indoor practice facilities? And refocus on educating students for future careers? Schools are building indoor practice facilities that even universities like A&M didn't have 25 years ago... Now piddly 3A - 4A high school football teams HAVE to get one.

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How about stop wasting money on mega stadiums and indoor practice facilities? And refocus on educating students for future careers? Schools are building indoor practice facilities that even universities like A&M didn't have 25 years ago... Now piddly 3A - 4A high school football teams HAVE to get one.

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Different money but again, it's what the public votes for and approves. With new practice restrictions due to the heat, indoor practice facilities are almost a necessity.

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You're poorly informed then.

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Or perhaps I just have experiences that don't comport with your preferred view.

I'm not saying Woke is THE problem.

Are you saying Woke isn't a problem at all?

My daughter's junior year of English, everyday she complained that two kids turned every discussion into an LGBT issue. One of them claimed to be trans. The other pansexual or some such thing because gay or bi wasnt exotic enough. These kids were misfits and found out they could use these issues as a cudgle against the kids they hated. The teacher let them. Even encouraged it.

I happened to be up at the school and talked to one of the assistant principals about it. He "noted" my concern, which is pseudo-diplomatic way to blow someone off.

I talked to a couple of other teachers I know and they said the kids complain about it all the time, but admin dismisses anything anyone says about it and people have grown afraid to bring it up. Worse they said the kids act that way in all their classes - math, science, whatever. And those teachers had gotten complaints from the kids parents when they tried to shut it down. Did admin stick up for them? Do they ever? They let parents run roughshod over all the teachers.

A few months later a different trans kid beat up a girl in the bathroom. What did admin do? Tried to cover it up.

This is in a upper class suburban school in a very red voting district.

Neighbors who are teachers are getting out of they are young and have options. Older ones are counting days to retirement. And for lots of reasons, but many of them cite a few nutjobs are their schools bullying their way to self-importance with woke related issues. Its like a force field for them that superiors are afraid to confront.

Most of the teachers at the school aren't involved with it and just want to teach their subjects and help kids.

But seldom do I attend a school event that there aren't hints of woke ideaology or it displayed overtly.

But if your kid has just one class like this, that is a significant part of their schooll year being wasted.

My sales territory is half of Texas and two other neighboring states. I never bring up politics because you never know where someone is coming from and frankly, I don't care. But no matter where I go, it's not uncommon for them to bring up these types of issues in their schools, especially when they find out my grandkids are homeschooled.

So you maybe you run a tight ship and nip these problems in the bud. Or maybe you are so close to it you don't see it. Or maybe there are so many other problems, this one diesnt get much of your attention.

But someone is either scared of the woke faction or complicit in it, because the stories come from everywhere all the time.

None of that explained the 90% being scared of the 10%. And it was all anecdotal.

Can you share a news article about admin covering up the beating?

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None of that explained the 90% being scared of the 10%. And it was all anecdotal.

Can you share a news article about admin covering up the beating?

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Your ancedotal stories count, but others don't?

Are you saying there is no wokeness problems in our schools?

eta - I don't have any other explanation for why those things are allowed to continue other than fear or complicity. I was supposing the former out of benefit of the doubt

And no I am not posting a link and divulging personal details.

You can write it off as wild lies if it helps you ignore (part of) the problem.

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How about stop wasting money on mega stadiums and indoor practice facilities? And refocus on educating students for future careers? Schools are building indoor practice facilities that even universities like A&M didn't have 25 years ago... Now piddly 3A - 4A high school football teams HAVE to get one.

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If they want to be able to practice, they MUST have these facilities. Can't freaking practice outside if it's over 95 damn degrees. It's ridiculous.

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None of that explained the 90% being scared of the 10%. And it was all anecdotal.

Can you share a news article about admin covering up the beating?

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Your ancedotal stories count, but others don't?

Are you saying there is no wokeness problems in our schools?

eta - I don't have any other explanation for why those things are allowed to continue other than fear or complicity. I was supposing the former out of benefit of the doubt

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In Texas, wokeness may exist in some places but it's not the norm. And as someone who has been in schools for almost 25 years, I'd say my anecdotal experiences have more validity.

I did a google search and nothing came up about admin covering up a trans student beating another student. So I'm guessing you misunderstood what happened.

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And as someone who has been in schools for almost 25 years, I'd say my anecdotal experiences have more validity.

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So stories to the contrary must be false. Got it. You dismiss incidents that don't jive with your view. I think we are beginning to see why it's not a problem in your school.

Perhaps I am wrong. It's not fear. It's arrogance.

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I did a google search and nothing came up about admin covering up a trans student beating another student. So I'm guessing you misunderstood what happened.

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More arrogance!

I clearly understood what happened.

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And as someone who has been in schools for almost 25 years, I'd say my anecdotal experiences have more validity.

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So stories to the contrary must be false. Got it. You dismiss incidents that don't jive with your view. I think we are beginning to see why it's not a problem in your school.

Perhaps I am wrong. It's not fear. It's arrogance.

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Again, where are the stories of the 90% being scared?

And I believed you until you said you wouldn't share any links to the cover-up.

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Again, where are the stories of the 90% being scared?

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wouldn't matter. You would call them anecdotal.

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Again, where are the stories of the 90% being scared?

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wouldn't matter. You would call them anecdotal.

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I'm all ears. Please share.

Then don't believe me.

that's your MO. that's why any teacher group you follow on social media complains about admin all the time - they ignore problems. heck, former teachers are making a good living lampooning it.

so go ahead. ignore what isnt convenient for you.

it's easier for you to believe everyone up in arms about wokeness creeping into our schools are just crazed and delusional liars.

and go ahead and post your school district and title so we can verify how pure it is.

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I'm all ears. Please share.

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My first post on that said "I think".

Later posts went on to explain the only thing that seems reasonable is complictiness or fear.

Later arrogance was added.

Take your pick or offer an alternative explanation as to why its allowed to continue.

Oh wait...it's just easier to deny it happens at all.

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And as someone who has been in schools for almost 25 years, I'd say my anecdotal experiences have more validity.

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I don't believe you. Post your resume.

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I'm all ears. Please share.

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My first post on that said "I think".

Later posts went on to explain the only thing that seems reasonable is complictiness or fear.

Later arrogance was added.

Take your pick or offer an alternative explanation as to why its allowed to continue.

Oh wait...it's just easier to deny it happens at all.

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Again, I'm all ears. Please share your explanation about the 90% being scared of the 10%. Lots of deflection on your part.

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Please share your explanation about the 90% being scared of the 10%.

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Reading isn't your strong suit is it?

I think the 90% is scared of the 10% because the shenanigans are allowed to continue unabated. The stories I did share and you dismissed cited examples of where that played out.

You can say I am dead wrong (and you did) and I may be. But something allows these incidents to continue.