Quo Vadis? said:

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WHY IS IT no one criticizing Israel ever agrees Hamas should surrender and free the hostages?

If there is concern for the lives and welfare of the "Palestinian" people, this is the clearest path forward to ending their suffering.

Even Hitler's generals surrendered as soon as Hitler was dead to alleviate the suffering of the German people. But Hamas hangs on.

No one criticizing Israel will admit Hamas and their desire to retain power at the expense of the suffixing of their people is the problem.

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Hamas should surrender and free the hostages

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You're so close. What would the outcome be if Hamas surrendered and freed the hostages? What would the outcome have been if they had done so a year ago?

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What do you mean im so close. The dude literally said no one had said what I just said. This weird "you just love Hamas if you don't think it's okay for tanks to attack Churches" dichotomy is strange

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Guess I have to spell it out for you. You're so close to admitting who is 100% at fault for every Palestinian death and 100% at fault for it continuing today when they could have stopped by releasing the hostages and surrendering at any point in time.

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Hamas is not responsible for random Israeli settlers attacking Palestinians. It's not responsible for an Israeli tank attacking a church. That's like a police officer being called to the scene of a crime, randomly sexually assaulting a bystander at the scene, and then blaming the criminal.

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No, it's like a police officer being called to the scene of a robbery and the criminals firing indiscriminately at them while hiding behind children. Which is what Hamas is actually doing every day. Unfortunately apparently there are people dumb enough to believe the narrative put out by Hamas.

Again, there would be no war without October 7th. In case you forgot since you seem to have a short memory when it comes to Hamas, they murdered, raped and kidnapped a couple thousand innocent civilians.

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Yes exactly. No war without October 7. Except in Syria, who Israel just bombed, because some people's mustache's were being pulled of.

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You still can't answer the question. What does the war look like if Hamas doesn't murder, rape and kidnap a couple thousand innocent civilians? Or you know the answer and just choose to ignore it.

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Is it possible that a Palestinian Christian church in Gaza full of Palestinians is more supportive of Palestinians than Jews in Israel? If that is plausible, could it be that the Cstholic leadership of the church might be providing support to Hamas and has made itself a military target? Pure hypothesis with no facts, but just thinking of the possibility.

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Sure I guess its possible. Is it possible that Israel attacked the Church because they actually just really don't like Christianity that much? (I bet you won't cede that is possible).

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Because it's not possible. The Israeli government does not attack Christians, unlike some of those Muslim nations y'all are white knighting for.

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I just ceded to the poster that it is possible that the Church was somehow a military target because it was sympathetic to Hamas. The Catholic Church does not support terrorism, so I of course don't personally believe this was happening. But for the interest of discussion I ceded it was possible. You however apparently are unwilling to admit even the possibility of Israel ever intentionally doing anything wrong ever. It's war, and people do horrible things in war- but not Israel somehow. They are uniquely always good and righteous. It's bizarre, but explains your views.

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There is a 0% chance that Israel attacked a Catholic Church solely out of hatred for Catholics, which is what you posited. It's a ridiculous notion with no basis in reality.

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Do me a favor and brush up on what the Talmud and what various influential Rabbis say about Christians. I think there's a greater than zero chance knowing these facts.

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Ok. So let's just say this was an intentional attack on Christianity, which it wasn't, do you honestly think the Catholic Church is innocent of its past history of its treatment of the Jews?

Jews don't hate Christians. But I don't think the opposite can be said of SSPX and Judiasm.

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The SSPX has been around for all of about 4% of Christianity.

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And yet you and your compatriots continually come on this board and make thinly veiled or not so thinly veiled anti-Semitic comments.

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Yeah it's a bummer how frequently we have new material

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So do they espouse anti-semitism in your Sunday homilys or do you SSPX guys just join up becuase you're anti-Semitic from the get go?

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Our worship is actually more about Jesus and has very little to do with the Jews; we're not evangelicals.

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Jesus was a practicing Jew, so kind of hard to throw one out without the other.

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Yeah, and then he came and fulfilled the law of the prophets and reigns as the messiah that was foretold. Everything kind of changed after the resurrection.

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Quo Vadis? said:

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fc2112 said:

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WHY IS IT no one criticizing Israel ever agrees Hamas should surrender and free the hostages?

If there is concern for the lives and welfare of the "Palestinian" people, this is the clearest path forward to ending their suffering.

Even Hitler's generals surrendered as soon as Hitler was dead to alleviate the suffering of the German people. But Hamas hangs on.

No one criticizing Israel will admit Hamas and their desire to retain power at the expense of the suffixing of their people is the problem.

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Hamas should surrender and free the hostages

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You're so close. What would the outcome be if Hamas surrendered and freed the hostages? What would the outcome have been if they had done so a year ago?

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What do you mean im so close. The dude literally said no one had said what I just said. This weird "you just love Hamas if you don't think it's okay for tanks to attack Churches" dichotomy is strange

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Guess I have to spell it out for you. You're so close to admitting who is 100% at fault for every Palestinian death and 100% at fault for it continuing today when they could have stopped by releasing the hostages and surrendering at any point in time.

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Hamas is not responsible for random Israeli settlers attacking Palestinians. It's not responsible for an Israeli tank attacking a church. That's like a police officer being called to the scene of a crime, randomly sexually assaulting a bystander at the scene, and then blaming the criminal.

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No, it's like a police officer being called to the scene of a robbery and the criminals firing indiscriminately at them while hiding behind children. Which is what Hamas is actually doing every day. Unfortunately apparently there are people dumb enough to believe the narrative put out by Hamas.

Again, there would be no war without October 7th. In case you forgot since you seem to have a short memory when it comes to Hamas, they murdered, raped and kidnapped a couple thousand innocent civilians.

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Yes exactly. No war without October 7. Except in Syria, who Israel just bombed, because some people's mustache's were being pulled of.

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You still can't answer the question. What does the war look like if Hamas doesn't murder, rape and kidnap a couple thousand innocent civilians? Or you know the answer and just choose to ignore it.

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Is this joke? It's constant war. Regardless of the reason. You think the tensions between Palestine and Israel started a few years ago?

Quo Vadis? said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Is it possible that a Palestinian Christian church in Gaza full of Palestinians is more supportive of Palestinians than Jews in Israel? If that is plausible, could it be that the Cstholic leadership of the church might be providing support to Hamas and has made itself a military target? Pure hypothesis with no facts, but just thinking of the possibility.

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Sure I guess its possible. Is it possible that Israel attacked the Church because they actually just really don't like Christianity that much? (I bet you won't cede that is possible).

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Because it's not possible. The Israeli government does not attack Christians, unlike some of those Muslim nations y'all are white knighting for.

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I just ceded to the poster that it is possible that the Church was somehow a military target because it was sympathetic to Hamas. The Catholic Church does not support terrorism, so I of course don't personally believe this was happening. But for the interest of discussion I ceded it was possible. You however apparently are unwilling to admit even the possibility of Israel ever intentionally doing anything wrong ever. It's war, and people do horrible things in war- but not Israel somehow. They are uniquely always good and righteous. It's bizarre, but explains your views.

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There is a 0% chance that Israel attacked a Catholic Church solely out of hatred for Catholics, which is what you posited. It's a ridiculous notion with no basis in reality.

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Do me a favor and brush up on what the Talmud and what various influential Rabbis say about Christians. I think there's a greater than zero chance knowing these facts.

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Ok. So let's just say this was an intentional attack on Christianity, which it wasn't, do you honestly think the Catholic Church is innocent of its past history of its treatment of the Jews?

Jews don't hate Christians. But I don't think the opposite can be said of SSPX and Judiasm.

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The SSPX has been around for all of about 4% of Christianity.

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And yet you and your compatriots continually come on this board and make thinly veiled or not so thinly veiled anti-Semitic comments.

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Yeah it's a bummer how frequently we have new material

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So do they espouse anti-semitism in your Sunday homilys or do you SSPX guys just join up becuase you're anti-Semitic from the get go?

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Our worship is actually more about Jesus and has very little to do with the Jews; we're not evangelicals.

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Jesus was a practicing Jew, so kind of hard to throw one out without the other.

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Yeah, and then he came and fulfilled the law of the prophets and reigns as the messiah that was foretold. Everything kind of changed after the resurrection.

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Yes, and while it changed, it doesn't mean that the customs and rituals that he engaged in suddenly became evil. The Bible literally talks about how the Jews will be blinded to the truth of Christ. It does not say to hate them because they reject Him.

Maybe one day you'll be disabused of the nonsense you spout.

Quo Vadis? said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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fc2112 said:

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WHY IS IT no one criticizing Israel ever agrees Hamas should surrender and free the hostages?

If there is concern for the lives and welfare of the "Palestinian" people, this is the clearest path forward to ending their suffering.

Even Hitler's generals surrendered as soon as Hitler was dead to alleviate the suffering of the German people. But Hamas hangs on.

No one criticizing Israel will admit Hamas and their desire to retain power at the expense of the suffixing of their people is the problem.

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Hamas should surrender and free the hostages

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You're so close. What would the outcome be if Hamas surrendered and freed the hostages? What would the outcome have been if they had done so a year ago?

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What do you mean im so close. The dude literally said no one had said what I just said. This weird "you just love Hamas if you don't think it's okay for tanks to attack Churches" dichotomy is strange

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Guess I have to spell it out for you. You're so close to admitting who is 100% at fault for every Palestinian death and 100% at fault for it continuing today when they could have stopped by releasing the hostages and surrendering at any point in time.

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Hamas is not responsible for random Israeli settlers attacking Palestinians. It's not responsible for an Israeli tank attacking a church. That's like a police officer being called to the scene of a crime, randomly sexually assaulting a bystander at the scene, and then blaming the criminal.

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No, it's like a police officer being called to the scene of a robbery and the criminals firing indiscriminately at them while hiding behind children. Which is what Hamas is actually doing every day. Unfortunately apparently there are people dumb enough to believe the narrative put out by Hamas.

Again, there would be no war without October 7th. In case you forgot since you seem to have a short memory when it comes to Hamas, they murdered, raped and kidnapped a couple thousand innocent civilians.

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Yes exactly. No war without October 7. Except in Syria, who Israel just bombed, because some people's mustache's were being pulled of.

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You still can't answer the question. What does the war look like if Hamas doesn't murder, rape and kidnap a couple thousand innocent civilians? Or you know the answer and just choose to ignore it.

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Is this joke? It's constant war. Regardless of the reason. You think the tensions between Palestine and Israel started a few years ago?

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The bombing of Gaza started a few years ago, so….

Quo Vadis? said:

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Keyno said:

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Kvetch said:

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Kvetch said:

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Is it possible that a Palestinian Christian church in Gaza full of Palestinians is more supportive of Palestinians than Jews in Israel? If that is plausible, could it be that the Cstholic leadership of the church might be providing support to Hamas and has made itself a military target? Pure hypothesis with no facts, but just thinking of the possibility.

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Sure I guess its possible. Is it possible that Israel attacked the Church because they actually just really don't like Christianity that much? (I bet you won't cede that is possible).

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Because it's not possible. The Israeli government does not attack Christians, unlike some of those Muslim nations y'all are white knighting for.

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I just ceded to the poster that it is possible that the Church was somehow a military target because it was sympathetic to Hamas. The Catholic Church does not support terrorism, so I of course don't personally believe this was happening. But for the interest of discussion I ceded it was possible. You however apparently are unwilling to admit even the possibility of Israel ever intentionally doing anything wrong ever. It's war, and people do horrible things in war- but not Israel somehow. They are uniquely always good and righteous. It's bizarre, but explains your views.

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There is a 0% chance that Israel attacked a Catholic Church solely out of hatred for Catholics, which is what you posited. It's a ridiculous notion with no basis in reality.

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Do me a favor and brush up on what the Talmud and what various influential Rabbis say about Christians. I think there's a greater than zero chance knowing these facts.

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Ok. So let's just say this was an intentional attack on Christianity, which it wasn't, do you honestly think the Catholic Church is innocent of its past history of its treatment of the Jews?

Jews don't hate Christians. But I don't think the opposite can be said of SSPX and Judiasm.

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The SSPX has been around for all of about 4% of Christianity.

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For most of Christian history, the SSPX would have been redundant because the RCC itself held its "traditionalist" vicious antisemitism.

It was only after one Catholic-raised Austrian went overboard with his racial ideas that the RCC had to significantly rethink its relationship to Judaism.

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fc2112 said:

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WHY IS IT no one criticizing Israel ever agrees Hamas should surrender and free the hostages?

If there is concern for the lives and welfare of the "Palestinian" people, this is the clearest path forward to ending their suffering.

Even Hitler's generals surrendered as soon as Hitler was dead to alleviate the suffering of the German people. But Hamas hangs on.

No one criticizing Israel will admit Hamas and their desire to retain power at the expense of the suffixing of their people is the problem.

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Hamas should surrender and free the hostages

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You're so close. What would the outcome be if Hamas surrendered and freed the hostages? What would the outcome have been if they had done so a year ago?

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What do you mean im so close. The dude literally said no one had said what I just said. This weird "you just love Hamas if you don't think it's okay for tanks to attack Churches" dichotomy is strange

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Guess I have to spell it out for you. You're so close to admitting who is 100% at fault for every Palestinian death and 100% at fault for it continuing today when they could have stopped by releasing the hostages and surrendering at any point in time.

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Hamas is not responsible for random Israeli settlers attacking Palestinians. It's not responsible for an Israeli tank attacking a church. That's like a police officer being called to the scene of a crime, randomly sexually assaulting a bystander at the scene, and then blaming the criminal.

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No, it's like a police officer being called to the scene of a robbery and the criminals firing indiscriminately at them while hiding behind children. Which is what Hamas is actually doing every day. Unfortunately apparently there are people dumb enough to believe the narrative put out by Hamas.

Again, there would be no war without October 7th. In case you forgot since you seem to have a short memory when it comes to Hamas, they murdered, raped and kidnapped a couple thousand innocent civilians.

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Yes exactly. No war without October 7. Except in Syria, who Israel just bombed, because some people's mustache's were being pulled of.

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You still can't answer the question. What does the war look like if Hamas doesn't murder, rape and kidnap a couple thousand innocent civilians? Or you know the answer and just choose to ignore it.

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Is this joke? It's constant war. Regardless of the reason. You think the tensions between Palestine and Israel started a few years ago?

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Of course it's always been a volatile region. Par for the course when everyone around Israel wants to destroy them. Are you actually saying the situation on October 6 was the same as it is today?

Let's just try this - what percentage of blame do you assign to Hamas for starting the war by murdering, raping and kidnapping a couple thousand innocent civilians? (Feels like I need to keep repeating that because you seem to have forgotten)

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fc2112 said:

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WHY IS IT no one criticizing Israel ever agrees Hamas should surrender and free the hostages?

If there is concern for the lives and welfare of the "Palestinian" people, this is the clearest path forward to ending their suffering.

Even Hitler's generals surrendered as soon as Hitler was dead to alleviate the suffering of the German people. But Hamas hangs on.

No one criticizing Israel will admit Hamas and their desire to retain power at the expense of the suffixing of their people is the problem.

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Hamas should surrender and free the hostages

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You're so close. What would the outcome be if Hamas surrendered and freed the hostages? What would the outcome have been if they had done so a year ago?

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What do you mean im so close. The dude literally said no one had said what I just said. This weird "you just love Hamas if you don't think it's okay for tanks to attack Churches" dichotomy is strange

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Guess I have to spell it out for you. You're so close to admitting who is 100% at fault for every Palestinian death and 100% at fault for it continuing today when they could have stopped by releasing the hostages and surrendering at any point in time.

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Hamas is not responsible for random Israeli settlers attacking Palestinians. It's not responsible for an Israeli tank attacking a church. That's like a police officer being called to the scene of a crime, randomly sexually assaulting a bystander at the scene, and then blaming the criminal.

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No, it's like a police officer being called to the scene of a robbery and the criminals firing indiscriminately at them while hiding behind children. Which is what Hamas is actually doing every day. Unfortunately apparently there are people dumb enough to believe the narrative put out by Hamas.

Again, there would be no war without October 7th. In case you forgot since you seem to have a short memory when it comes to Hamas, they murdered, raped and kidnapped a couple thousand innocent civilians.

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Yes exactly. No war without October 7. Except in Syria, who Israel just bombed, because some people's mustache's were being pulled of.

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You still can't answer the question. What does the war look like if Hamas doesn't murder, rape and kidnap a couple thousand innocent civilians? Or you know the answer and just choose to ignore it.

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Is this joke? It's constant war. Regardless of the reason. You think the tensions between Palestine and Israel started a few years ago?

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Of course it's always been a volatile region. Par for the course when everyone around Israel wants to destroy them. Are you actually saying the situation on October 6 was the same as it is today?

Let's just try this - what percentage of blame do you assign to Hamas for starting the war by murdering, raping and kidnapping a couple thousand innocent civilians? (Feels like I need to keep repeating that because you seem to have forgotten)

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Are we really doing this? Its amazing the lengths people will go to absolve Israel of any culpability. Yes, Hamas attacked Israel on October 7 and killed people and took hostages. Since then, Israel has killed many people as well. OK. Just because Israel was attacked by Hamas does not give them carte blanche to strike Churches. When Israel strikes a Church, Israel is responsible, not Hamas. Condemning Israel for shooting a tank at a Church is not anti semitic.

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fc2112 said:

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WHY IS IT no one criticizing Israel ever agrees Hamas should surrender and free the hostages?

If there is concern for the lives and welfare of the "Palestinian" people, this is the clearest path forward to ending their suffering.

Even Hitler's generals surrendered as soon as Hitler was dead to alleviate the suffering of the German people. But Hamas hangs on.

No one criticizing Israel will admit Hamas and their desire to retain power at the expense of the suffixing of their people is the problem.

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Hamas should surrender and free the hostages

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You're so close. What would the outcome be if Hamas surrendered and freed the hostages? What would the outcome have been if they had done so a year ago?

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What do you mean im so close. The dude literally said no one had said what I just said. This weird "you just love Hamas if you don't think it's okay for tanks to attack Churches" dichotomy is strange

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Guess I have to spell it out for you. You're so close to admitting who is 100% at fault for every Palestinian death and 100% at fault for it continuing today when they could have stopped by releasing the hostages and surrendering at any point in time.

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Hamas is not responsible for random Israeli settlers attacking Palestinians. It's not responsible for an Israeli tank attacking a church. That's like a police officer being called to the scene of a crime, randomly sexually assaulting a bystander at the scene, and then blaming the criminal.

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No, it's like a police officer being called to the scene of a robbery and the criminals firing indiscriminately at them while hiding behind children. Which is what Hamas is actually doing every day. Unfortunately apparently there are people dumb enough to believe the narrative put out by Hamas.

Again, there would be no war without October 7th. In case you forgot since you seem to have a short memory when it comes to Hamas, they murdered, raped and kidnapped a couple thousand innocent civilians.

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Yes exactly. No war without October 7. Except in Syria, who Israel just bombed, because some people's mustache's were being pulled of.

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You still can't answer the question. What does the war look like if Hamas doesn't murder, rape and kidnap a couple thousand innocent civilians? Or you know the answer and just choose to ignore it.

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Is this joke? It's constant war. Regardless of the reason. You think the tensions between Palestine and Israel started a few years ago?

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Of course it's always been a volatile region. Par for the course when everyone around Israel wants to destroy them. Are you actually saying the situation on October 6 was the same as it is today?

Let's just try this - what percentage of blame do you assign to Hamas for starting the war by murdering, raping and kidnapping a couple thousand innocent civilians? (Feels like I need to keep repeating that because you seem to have forgotten)

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Are we really doing this? It's amazing the lengths people will go to absolve Israel of any culpability. Yes, Hamas attacked Israel on October 7 and killed people and took hostages. Since then, Israel has killed many people as well. OK. Just because Israel was attacked by Hamas does not give them carte blanche to strike Churches. When Israel strikes a Church, Israel is responsible, not Hamas. Condemning Israel for shooting a tank at a Church is not anti semitic.

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We have no idea why the church was hit. But there's a close to zero percent chance Israel just decided to bomb a church because they were bored. It was either a mistake, which can obviously happen in wars, or Hamas was hiding there behind civilians like they have the entire war 1. because they are cowards and 2. they know anti Israel idiots in the west will fall for their propaganda

And yes, when Hamas is wholly responsible for starting and continuing the war, you can blame them 100% for every single reciprocal action that's happened as a result. No October 7, no war. Hamas picked the fight and Israel is finishing it.

ETA - also, not only did Hamas start the war and is still holding hostages, they have been offered reasonable ceasefire terms multiple times and said no. They don't want the war to end and clearly don't care value Palestinian civilians caught in the middle.

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For the Hamas lovers on here:

if there was indeed a "genocide" as some idiots claim-

why don't the Palestinians return THE HOSTAGES THEY HAVE KEPT FOR 645 DAYS and simply surrender?

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Those folks are dead.

I don't care if the Jew wipe everyone in the region off the planet.

I don't even care if they do it with our bullets.

I just don't understand why people love it so much.

Jews do gross things. Islam does gross things. Both would love for all Christians to die a slow and painful death.

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Both would love for all Christians to die a slow and painful death.

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This statement is detached from reality. Muslims entire existence is to hate Jews, America and all western culture. I don't see Jews being 0.01% as villainous as the Muslims.

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Both would love for all Christians to die a slow and painful death.

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This statement is detached from reality. Muslims entire existence is to hate Jews, America and all western culture I don't see Jews being 0.01% as villainous as the Muslims.

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Yeah they absolutely hate it over here. From the F-150 raptors screaming by on the highway, to the Cheesecake Factory restaurants, W hotel and UFC fights in Etihad arena.

You definitely should be taken seriously and know what you're talking about.

Your taqiyya is showing.

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I believe he was referring to the 99.6% of the worldwide muslim population that doesn't live in America enjoying the perks. Some might call that an overwhelming majority.

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fc2112 said:

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WHY IS IT no one criticizing Israel ever agrees Hamas should surrender and free the hostages?

If there is concern for the lives and welfare of the "Palestinian" people, this is the clearest path forward to ending their suffering.

Even Hitler's generals surrendered as soon as Hitler was dead to alleviate the suffering of the German people. But Hamas hangs on.

No one criticizing Israel will admit Hamas and their desire to retain power at the expense of the suffixing of their people is the problem.

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Hamas should surrender and free the hostages

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You're so close. What would the outcome be if Hamas surrendered and freed the hostages? What would the outcome have been if they had done so a year ago?

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What do you mean im so close. The dude literally said no one had said what I just said. This weird "you just love Hamas if you don't think it's okay for tanks to attack Churches" dichotomy is strange

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Guess I have to spell it out for you. You're so close to admitting who is 100% at fault for every Palestinian death and 100% at fault for it continuing today when they could have stopped by releasing the hostages and surrendering at any point in time.

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Hamas is not responsible for random Israeli settlers attacking Palestinians. It's not responsible for an Israeli tank attacking a church. That's like a police officer being called to the scene of a crime, randomly sexually assaulting a bystander at the scene, and then blaming the criminal.

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No, it's like a police officer being called to the scene of a robbery and the criminals firing indiscriminately at them while hiding behind children. Which is what Hamas is actually doing every day. Unfortunately apparently there are people dumb enough to believe the narrative put out by Hamas.

Again, there would be no war without October 7th. In case you forgot since you seem to have a short memory when it comes to Hamas, they murdered, raped and kidnapped a couple thousand innocent civilians.

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Yes exactly. No war without October 7. Except in Syria, who Israel just bombed, because some people's mustache's were being pulled of.

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You still can't answer the question. What does the war look like if Hamas doesn't murder, rape and kidnap a couple thousand innocent civilians? Or you know the answer and just choose to ignore it.

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Is this joke? It's constant war. Regardless of the reason. You think the tensions between Palestine and Israel started a few years ago?

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Do they not teach the 11th chapter of Romans in your Bible study classes? Concerning the temporary spiritual blindness of Israel regarding their Messiah:

" 25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own [f]opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be [g]saved, as it is written:

"The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins."
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable." NKJV.

BTW, you know very well when you deboard your aircraft in Tel Aviv that the jetway walls are covered with welcome from a Christian organization, or at least were 2 years ago when I visited.

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I believe he was referring to the 99.6% of the worldwide muslim population that doesn't live in America enjoying the perks. Some might call that an overwhelming majority.

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"Here" for me is in Abu Dhabi, where western culture is absolutely everywhere, as it is in almost the entire GCC

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WHY IS IT no one criticizing Israel ever agrees Hamas should surrender and free the hostages?

If there is concern for the lives and welfare of the "Palestinian" people, this is the clearest path forward to ending their suffering.

Even Hitler's generals surrendered as soon as Hitler was dead to alleviate the suffering of the German people. But Hamas hangs on.

No one criticizing Israel will admit Hamas and their desire to retain power at the expense of the suffixing of their people is the problem.

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Hamas should surrender and free the hostages

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You're so close. What would the outcome be if Hamas surrendered and freed the hostages? What would the outcome have been if they had done so a year ago?

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What do you mean im so close. The dude literally said no one had said what I just said. This weird "you just love Hamas if you don't think it's okay for tanks to attack Churches" dichotomy is strange

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Guess I have to spell it out for you. You're so close to admitting who is 100% at fault for every Palestinian death and 100% at fault for it continuing today when they could have stopped by releasing the hostages and surrendering at any point in time.

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Hamas is not responsible for random Israeli settlers attacking Palestinians. It's not responsible for an Israeli tank attacking a church. That's like a police officer being called to the scene of a crime, randomly sexually assaulting a bystander at the scene, and then blaming the criminal.

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No, it's like a police officer being called to the scene of a robbery and the criminals firing indiscriminately at them while hiding behind children. Which is what Hamas is actually doing every day. Unfortunately apparently there are people dumb enough to believe the narrative put out by Hamas.

Again, there would be no war without October 7th. In case you forgot since you seem to have a short memory when it comes to Hamas, they murdered, raped and kidnapped a couple thousand innocent civilians.

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Yes exactly. No war without October 7. Except in Syria, who Israel just bombed, because some people's mustache's were being pulled of.

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You still can't answer the question. What does the war look like if Hamas doesn't murder, rape and kidnap a couple thousand innocent civilians? Or you know the answer and just choose to ignore it.

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Is this joke? It's constant war. Regardless of the reason. You think the tensions between Palestine and Israel started a few years ago?

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Do they not teach the 11th chapter of Romans in your Bible study classes? Concerning the temporary spiritual blindness of Israel regarding their Messiah:

" 25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own [f]opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be [g]saved, as it is written:

"The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins."
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable." NKJV.

BTW, you know very well when you deboard your aircraft in Tel Aviv that the jetway walls are covered with welcome from a Christian organization, or at least were 2 years ago when I visited.

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This is just going to devolve into the differences between the understanding of foreknowledge, predestination, God's passive will, and the identification of "Israel".

Nobody doubts whether or not God loves the Jews. Of course he loves the Jews, he sent his only son specifically as King of the Jews for their conversion, we Gentiles just got the Apostles. Unfortunately the Jews of that time had him put to death, their plan for salvation is no different than mine.

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Your taqiyya is showing.

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"Muslims eat at Cheesecake Factory to lull the west into a dull sense of security"

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I believe he was referring to the 99.6% of the worldwide muslim population that doesn't live in America enjoying the perks. Some might call that an overwhelming majority.

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Fine - take another 0.02% off that 99.6% figure for Abu Dhabi with it's large population of western expats. It changes nothing, but you already know that.

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Fine - take another 0.02% off that 99.6% figure for Abu Dhabi with it's large population of western expats. It changes nothing, but you already know that.

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It's the entire GCC, everything is western over here.

Incredible, powerful photo.

Christ is King 👑 pic.twitter.com/mGhLHynljr

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) July 19, 2025

Lunatic dispensationalist Joel Berry has been chimping out for a couple of days.

True Christian faith still exists in Gaza, but it’s all underground. Anyone allowed by Hamas to practice openly is allowed to do so only because they aid and support the terror regime.

— Joel Berry (@JoelWBerry) July 19, 2025

At last count, there were 800 Christians living in Gaza, 1.52% of whom were Protestant. So 12 Protestants. And that was before the war. https://t.co/BcDiwRrpI0

— Joel Berry (@JoelWBerry) July 19, 2025

I support any Christians in Gaza or the West Bank who are actual Christians.

— Joel Berry (@JoelWBerry) July 19, 2025

Should I know who Joel Berry is?

Israel didn’t attack a church!
Israel attacked a church on accident.
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Those Christians deserved it! <—- Joel is here https://t.co/fMTCpOu5KR

— Martyr Made (@martyrmade) July 19, 2025

These pysops get more hilarious by the day.

All these Ra Legions executint the chores of the script (script tures) to usher in the Je(Zeus) prophecies. And billions falling for it and wrapped up in the one world father God worship RA legion.

Runs Babylon Bee

Pope Leo XIV is taking a firm stance on this one, nice to not see any mealy mouthed diplomatic speak coming from the Vatican

Pope Leo calls for an end to 'barbarity' in Gaza. pic.twitter.com/Ipp3jkXQKW

— Vatican News (@VaticanNews) July 20, 2025

Have you tried Google?

https://afsc.org/israeli-violations

Hamas targeting innocents gives Israel the right to target innocents?

https://witnessing-the-gaza-war.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/Gaza_English-v6.7.0-5.7.25.pdf

The left has their issues, but they don't have to deal with Dispensationalists condoning Israeli targeting of Apostolics that is condemned by sane Evangelicals and sane Apostolics

While Dispensationalists applaud Israeli bombing of ISIS radicals in Syria, that they put in place last month, for bombing Apostolics and religious minorities. Meanwhile sane Evangelicals and sane Apostolics are saying, this is exactly what everybody knew would happen.

But the right has to coalesce around these disagreements or else we become Canada.

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The left has their issues, but they don't have to deal with Dispensationalists condoning Israeli targeting of Apostolics that is condemned by sane Evangelicals and sane Apostolics

While Dispensationalists applaud Israeli bombing of ISIS radicals in Syria, that they put in place last month, for bombing Apostolics and religious minorities. Meanwhile sane Wvangelicals and sane Apostolics are saying, this is exactly what everybody knew would happen. You can't complain about something you hoped would happen last month.

But the right has to coalesce around these disagreements or else we become Canada.

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Wat?

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The left has their issues, but they don't have to deal with Dispensationalists condoning Israeli targeting of Apostolics that is condemned by sane Evangelicals and sane Apostolics

While Dispensationalists applaud Israeli bombing of ISIS radicals in Syria, that they put in place last month, for bombing Apostolics and religious minorities. Meanwhile sane Wvangelicals and sane Apostolics are saying, this is exactly what everybody knew would happen. You can't complain about something you hoped would happen last month.

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The American right has to disagree on foreign policy or else domestic policy gets ceded to the left.

Every time you hear an Israel First influencers like Tel Aviv Levin talking about the Druze in Syria, make sure to thank Israel for the deposing of Assad and the installation of Jolani, as Tel Aviv Levin himself has done. https://t.co/bhuNQ7xwqB pic.twitter.com/0VFJKAO5Rl

— VISH BURRA 🏴‍☠️ (@VishBurra) July 21, 2025

Michael Knowles asks why Americans should be celebrating Assad’s replacement by Al-Qaeda terrorists.

Ben Shapiro, Knowles’ employer, argued on his show earlier that Assad’s ousting was overall a “good thing” because it benefits Israel despite the threat to Syria’s Christian… pic.twitter.com/pUmAcfjrlo

— AF Post (@AFpost) December 9, 2024

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The left has their issues, but they don't have to deal with Dispensationalists condoning Israeli targeting of Apostolics that is condemned by sane Evangelicals and sane Apostolics

While Dispensationalists applaud Israeli bombing of ISIS radicals in Syria, that they put in place last month, for bombing Apostolics and religious minorities. Meanwhile sane Wvangelicals and sane Apostolics are saying, this is exactly what everybody knew would happen. You can't complain about something you hoped would happen last month.

But the right has to coalesce around these disagreements or else we become Canada.

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Him and the OP are off their meds today.

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Hamas targeting innocents gives Israel the right to target innocents?

https://witnessing-the-gaza-war.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/Gaza_English-v6.7.0-5.7.25.pdf

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Would you like to summarize that 232 page document or do you have a point? Is there something in there about Israel purposely targeting innocents? Because so far there's no evidence of that.

Israel wouldn't be fighting this war if Hamas didn't start it, or if Hamas surrendered and released the hostages. So yea, every death is at Hamas' feet.