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I really can't fathom how someone thinks Massie is the deranged one here?

Is this a psychological experiment by coop?

Anyway, I don't think the "itll be scrubbed" holds much water. Too many people have seen this stuff

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Why is Massie tweeting at all? He should be busy figuring out what files he wants, when and how he can use them.

Taking a "victory lap" and mocking Trump… totally normal behavior for someone who just wanted justice.

Not any different than derangement of LA Times moving on to Trump is going to destroy, hide evidence now.

It's weird to me that you cannot see that, fathom that.

Trump manipulating media coverage for the past decade is certainly a take.

He certainly has impacted it, been crucified by it, continually attacked by it, and ultimately will be victorious over it. But insenuating he was controlling them?

It's certainly a different conclusion.

Correct. I checked my Project 2025 reference manual and did not see "Release Epstein Files" as one of the pillars of the platform. I will dive in more later.

But thought he brought it up, it was more of a tag line, rallying point to reiterate "draining the swamp", but libs act like it was a a major platform item. It was not.

He manipulated media coverage for a decade lol??? He apparently "manipulated" them by beating Hilary in an election, because the media has been a rabid attack dog after his ass ever since that day

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No Spin Ag said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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Im Gipper said:

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President Trump continues to be the absolute MASTER of PR and manipulation of the media and press. They are a puppet in his hands.

The story now is "Trump changed his mind!! Files released"

Read the Truth post. House can have whatever they "are legally entitled to". Coupled with the "new" DoJ investigations of Clinton, Summers, etc. there's going to be the old "ongoing investigation" hold back.

Whatever President Trump believes is the "hoax" isn't going to be released!

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Ah, so like how for years on end Trump didn't release his full taxes because "The IRS is reviewing them" or whatever he said was the reason.

It worked on maga before, I'm sure it's all they'll need again if Trump goes that very predictable route.

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To point out, Massie's HR resolution contains the same sort of carve outs which is why that stunt has always been just a stunt.

But I find it sort of entertaining that his tax records, ultimately and illegally leaked, showed NOTHING nefarious.

All the dealings and trial resulting in "conviction" of 37 felonies... revealed NOTHING nefarious or not previously known regarding Stormy, the legal nuisance settlement payment, and there will be NOTHING nefarious regarding Trump in any file released or unreleased regarding Trump.

How about some start admitting he's actually a pretty decent human. But nah, that's no fun. We need 25 pages of "Trump has to be a pedo cause I have not seen anything yet confirming he's a pedo!!". Some sincere logic to arrive at that.

And now breaking that a House democrat (delegate from USVI Stacey Plaskett) was texting Epstein directly to try and get information in real time to try and lay gotchyas on Trump lawyer whilst he was testifying in Congress.

Wasn't Trump going to collapse under the weight of a supposed birthday card with Masonic symbols and imaging proving the pedo cabal?

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Exactly. There's nothing showing Trump did anything wrong.

So, again, why is he, and his maga, so hung up on not releasing them? It just doesn't make sense when years before, they both wanted them released.

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I've already stated this and others have as well but I think it's as simple as he knows damn well this is going to completely distract everyone away from his second term agenda. I think once he saw what they had he realized there is nothing in there that's worth going to battle over. As others have said weeks ago, I doubt there are "lists" of dirty deeds in it. It won't be that cut and dry.

Since there is no real ammo in it he just wants to move on. He knows once this becomes the main story again whatever momentum he had is over because anyone and everyone whose name is anywhere in that stuff will now be 100% dealing with that for the next several weeks/months.

Thus, this derails his legacy which they've been pretty open about his desire of cementing.

This is my Occam's Razor take.

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I had to scroll through many of your different goaltending posts to finally get to this one.

Sounds like the people have spoken through their elected representatives and have demanded that the autocrat stop shielding whoever he is from public scrutiny. Bring on all the blowback!

Poetic justice if public distraction is indeed whatever he is trying to avoid, given that is how he has manipulated media coverage for a decade.

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Zero goaltending going on here and have no idea how you arrived at that. Read again where I said if Trump was guilty of anything then he should get the maximum punishment of whatever we can deliver. Anyone guilty of pedo crap needs a bullet. Plain and simple.

I just don't think we are going to see anything in this documentation that is going to implicate him based on everything we know to date. I also don't think there is going to be much in there on anyone else of import as I've also stated. If anything, we have way more smoke on Bill Clinton having diddled under age women than Donald Trump and that's not even arguable.

In reality, I think we will get Larry Summers level of idiocy as your examples, at worst.

Edit: IOW, I'm taking a practical approach to this and not a political goal-tending one. Maybe that is clear to you now.

Goaltending isn't required when we know if there is anything in there, the Biden admin would have burned him down with it. So no goaltending, just one ounce of basic logic

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Goaltending isn't required when we know if there is anything in there, the Biden admin would have burned him down with it. So no goaltending, just one ounce of basic logic

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Also this which I've also laid out in here as well showing several of the extreme, illegal and unethical ways they have gone after Trump yet they never played this card. As if they wouldn't.

Lots of folks poopoo it, but I do think there are a lot of innocent names likely in there in various capacities so I can understand a slow roll of what is released. And it was a misplay to say you were going to dump it but then slow roll it. Definitely stepped in it there, but Trump is a NYC salesman that talks a lot of **** . Anyone who committed a crime should be burned, but tbh, I think there likely isn't much on actual crimes. Philandering and embarrassing stuff for certain folks, likely some. But majority of names just associated in some way because of the circles this guy attached himself to

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Trump manipulating media coverage for the past decade is certainly a take.

He certainly has impacted it, been crucified by it, continually attacked by it, and ultimately will be victorious over it. But insenuating he was controlling them?

It's certainly a different conclusion.

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"Crucified"? You're not supposed to say the messianic part out loud!

The thing about narcissists is that they are always the victim. Poor DJT always getting persecuted.

But to say he has manipulated media coverage is a compliment to him, which you may have missed in rush to protect him. He has brilliantly always played a political sleight of hand by distracting the media with so many outrageous events at once that they and the public become weary with it all. I mean I legitimately admire the skill and wish it wasn't being used by someone so bent towards authoritarianism.

I'm 51 years old and there absolutely has never been a more hostile media toward a sitting president in my lifetime. Whether you agree or disagree about their reasons, you have to be as obtuse as it gets to not acknowledge that

You should admire Trump for standing up to the media, calling them out, shaming them when they deserve so much more.

To say manipulating is to imply nefarious intent in this context, but you knew that, intended that.

And I beg that Trump become more authoritarian. This Country needs him.

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Goaltending isn't required when we know if there is anything in there, the Biden admin would have burned him down with it. So no goaltending, just one ounce of basic logic

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I'm sure the Biden administration was protecting their favorite people too! Why is this so hard to comprehend that there is bipartisan support behind squelching the names of perpetrators? Bill Clinton and Bill Gates ought to have the Prince Andrew treatment before this is all done.

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You should admire Trump for standing up to the media, calling them out, shaming them when they deserve so much more.

To say manipulating is to imply nefarious intent in this context, but you knew that, intended that.

And I beg that Trump become more authoritarian. This Country needs him.

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Shocker

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DannyDuberstein said:

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Goaltending isn't required when we know if there is anything in there, the Biden admin would have burned him down with it. So no goaltending, just one ounce of basic logic

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I'm sure the Biden administration was protecting their favorite people too! Why is this so hard to comprehend that there is bipartisan support behind squelching the names of perpetrators? Bill Clinton and Bill Gates ought to have the Prince Andrew treatment before this is all done.

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If it meant burning Trump, they all get sacrificed. He has been Dem public enemy #1 for a decade at a level that we have never remotely seen, and you'd think the world was going to end if he won in 2024. They would have sacrificed anyone that could be in there to crush him.

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flown-the-coop said:

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Trump manipulating media coverage for the past decade is certainly a take.

He certainly has impacted it, been crucified by it, continually attacked by it, and ultimately will be victorious over it. But insenuating he was controlling them?

It's certainly a different conclusion.

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"Crucified"? You're not supposed to say the messianic part out loud!

The thing about narcissists is that they are always the victim. Poor DJT always getting persecuted.

But to say he has manipulated media coverage is a compliment to him, which you may have missed in rush to protect him. He has brilliantly always played a political sleight of hand by distracting the media with so many outrageous events at once that they and the public become weary with it all. I mean I legitimately admire the skill and wish it wasn't being used by someone so bent towards authoritarianism.

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You (Dems & Libs) keep using that word in regards to Trump. I don't think it means what you think it means. Pathetic.

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DannyDuberstein said:

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Goaltending isn't required when we know if there is anything in there, the Biden admin would have burned him down with it. So no goaltending, just one ounce of basic logic

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I'm sure the Biden administration was protecting their favorite people too! Why is this so hard to comprehend that there is bipartisan support behind squelching the names of perpetrators? Bill Clinton and Bill Gates ought to have the Prince Andrew treatment before this is all done.

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Were you demanding the release of the files during the Biden administration?

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You should admire Trump for standing up to the media, calling them out, shaming them when they deserve so much more.

To say manipulating is to imply nefarious intent in this context, but you knew that, intended that.

And I beg that Trump become more authoritarian. This Country needs him.

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I give you props for owning that you desire an autocrat who wants to attack the pillars of freedom of our country. Most of folks who desire this won't say it out loud. I don't, however.

Of course they did!! But they just kept it private to protect the victims.

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DannyDuberstein said:

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Goaltending isn't required when we know if there is anything in there, the Biden admin would have burned him down with it. So no goaltending, just one ounce of basic logic

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I'm sure the Biden administration was protecting their favorite people too! Why is this so hard to comprehend that there is bipartisan support behind squelching the names of perpetrators? Bill Clinton and Bill Gates ought to have the Prince Andrew treatment before this is all done.

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No matter how many times this is explained they're going to continue to ignore it. The primary reason to hold and not use your nukes is the other side has nukes too.

But they'll keep trotting out their weak reasoning that Biden didn't release information he had.

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You should admire Trump for standing up to the media, calling them out, shaming them when they deserve so much more.

To say manipulating is to imply nefarious intent in this context, but you knew that, intended that.

And I beg that Trump become more authoritarian. This Country needs him.

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I give you props for owning that you desire an autocrat who wants to attack the pillars of freedom of our country. Most of folks who desire this won't say it out loud. I don't, however.

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What pillars of freedom are under attack? Please give specifics or stfu.

Larry Summers, come on down....

LARRY SUMMERS RESIGNS FROM OPENAI BOARD AMID EPSTEIN DISCLOSURES

Larry Summers, former U.S. Treasury Secretary and ex-Harvard president, has stepped down from the OpenAI board, Axios reported. The move comes after newly released emails and texts from the Jeffrey Epstein…

— *Walter Bloomberg (@DeItaone) November 19, 2025

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You should admire Trump for standing up to the media, calling them out, shaming them when they deserve so much more.

To say manipulating is to imply nefarious intent in this context, but you knew that, intended that.

And I beg that Trump become more authoritarian. This Country needs him.

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I give you props for owning that you desire an autocrat who wants to attack the pillars of freedom of our country. Most of folks who desire this won't say it out loud. I don't, however.

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It you can point to single "pillar of freedom" that Trump is attacking that would be great.

Just know the following are NOT pillars of freedom:

Killing Babies
Venezuelan Drug Runners
Hamas
Criminal Rapist Illegal Aliens
Maryland Dad Wife Beater / Sex Trafficker (and Illegal Alien)
Uncontrolled Wildfires
Green New Deals
Tax the Rich
Etc

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DannyDuberstein said:

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Goaltending isn't required when we know if there is anything in there, the Biden admin would have burned him down with it. So no goaltending, just one ounce of basic logic

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I'm sure the Biden administration was protecting their favorite people too! Why is this so hard to comprehend that there is bipartisan support behind squelching the names of perpetrators? Bill Clinton and Bill Gates ought to have the Prince Andrew treatment before this is all done.

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No matter how many times this is explained they're going to continue to ignore it. The primary reason to hold and not use your nukes is the other side has nukes too.

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One side burned a sitting President who had won the primary in a desperate effort to beat Trump. If you think they were holding back, lol. This explanation works for everyone else. But no way do they give Trump a pass. They've spent 10 years doing everything possible to end him. If it means irrelevant Clinton (who everyone knows is a creep) or creepy Gates has to burn too, so be it. They would have done it

Who's next?

Hakeem Jeffries and Jamie Raskin have some things to answer for. The dip**** from the USVI should be another expedited exit.

If folks wanted to play the 4d chess game, the discharge petition gave Trump wide latitude to release information without court challenges. Giddy up.

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flown-the-coop said:

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You should admire Trump for standing up to the media, calling them out, shaming them when they deserve so much more.

To say manipulating is to imply nefarious intent in this context, but you knew that, intended that.

And I beg that Trump become more authoritarian. This Country needs him.

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I give you props for owning that you desire an autocrat who wants to attack the pillars of freedom of our country. Most of folks who desire this won't say it out loud. I don't, however.

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We are just asking you to be consistent.

ThEy dIdNt bUrn TrumP to pRotECt HakEem JefFries

I look forward to Trump and Bondi getting right on releasing those files. Wonder if they are still sitting on her desk.

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DannyDuberstein said:

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Goaltending isn't required when we know if there is anything in there, the Biden admin would have burned him down with it. So no goaltending, just one ounce of basic logic

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I'm sure the Biden administration was protecting their favorite people too! Why is this so hard to comprehend that there is bipartisan support behind squelching the names of perpetrators? Bill Clinton and Bill Gates ought to have the Prince Andrew treatment before this is all done.

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No matter how many times this is explained they're going to continue to ignore it. The primary reason to hold and not use your nukes is the other side has nukes too.

But they'll keep trotting out their weak reasoning that Biden didn't release information he had.

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Yes, the MAD analogy is apt but you are missing the point. There is bipartisan support now.

The question is where were all the Democrats calling for the release of this before Trump got in office? Now that Trump is in office the Democrats suddenly care about kids again whereas under Biden the party was openly supporting sexual mutilation and gender changes of minors.

Can you not see this issue?

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Concerned Moderate Ag said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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Goaltending isn't required when we know if there is anything in there, the Biden admin would have burned him down with it. So no goaltending, just one ounce of basic logic

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I'm sure the Biden administration was protecting their favorite people too! Why is this so hard to comprehend that there is bipartisan support behind squelching the names of perpetrators? Bill Clinton and Bill Gates ought to have the Prince Andrew treatment before this is all done.

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No matter how many times this is explained they're going to continue to ignore it. The primary reason to hold and not use your nukes is the other side has nukes too.

But they'll keep trotting out their weak reasoning that Biden didn't release information he had.

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Yes, the MAD analogy is apt but you are missing the point. There is bipartisan support now.

The question is where were all the Democrats calling for the release of this before Trump got in office? Now that Trump is in office the Democrats suddenly care about kids again whereas under Biden the party was openly supporting sexual mutilation and gender changes of minors.

Can you not see this issue?

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And now that Trump is in office again their TDS has blinded them on this issue. The Epstein Files will blow up in the Dems' face, causing far more harm to their people than Trump.

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flown-the-coop said:

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You should admire Trump for standing up to the media, calling them out, shaming them when they deserve so much more.

To say manipulating is to imply nefarious intent in this context, but you knew that, intended that.

And I beg that Trump become more authoritarian. This Country needs him.

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I give you props for owning that you desire an autocrat who wants to attack the pillars of freedom of our country. Most of folks who desire this won't say it out loud. I don't, however.

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Oh
My
God

How could a grown, adult man, be this weak and delusional.

Looks like we got a fresh wave of simple minded idiots who believe in the two party system. Yippee

Bondi just indicated during a presser on the Canadian "Snow" King that there is new information and a new SDNY open investigation related to Epstein.

No details at this point or how this may impact any release of information.

Cue the "this is how Trump will cover his own arse", but it may also be related to information that came from the Epstein estate, as much of the most recent information has come from.

flown-the-coop said:

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Bondi just indicated during a presser on the Canadian "Snow" King that there is new information and a new SDNY open investigation related to Epstein.

No details at this point or how this may impact any release of information.

Cue the "this is how Trump will cover his own arse", but it may also be related to information that came from the Epstein estate, as much of the most recent information has come from.

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Where have you been?

Trump explicitly called for her to reopen this to look in to all the democrats. So she did, like two hours later. Never mind they already publicly closed that case.

There is no "Cue", that's what they're doing?


Anyway, it's done in the Senate, time for Trump to sign.

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flown-the-coop said:

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Bondi just indicated during a presser on the Canadian "Snow" King that there is new information and a new SDNY open investigation related to Epstein.

No details at this point or how this may impact any release of information.

Cue the "this is how Trump will cover his own arse", but it may also be related to information that came from the Epstein estate, as much of the most recent information has come from.

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Where have you been?

Trump explicitly called for her to reopen this to look in to all the democrats. So she did, like two hours later. Never mind they already publicly closed that case.

There is no "Cue", that's what they're doing?


Anyway, it's done in the Senate, time for Trump to sign.

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That is not consistent with what she said. Its not a matter of "where have you been", she literally just said it.